Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Crabtree was not impressive this year. That video showed he has about zero YAC ability.
Dude, are you like really, really serious?
Crabtree was Top 10 (#8) in the NFL this year for YAC/catch for receivers w/ >50 catches this year.
If you want to go down to 40 catches, he's Top 11, and Josh Morgan (now eligible w/ 44 catches) is top 3 in the NFL.
Vernon Davis was also #1 in the NFL for YAC/catch this year for TEs.
Basically, if you want to combine WRs and TEs and make the threshold 40 catches, we had three players in the top 15 in the NFL for YAC per catch this last season.*
I swear to god some of you don't even watch the games and just come here to senselessly complain.
*Which yes, is also Alex's fault.
EDIT: Stats here -- http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?pos=WR&conference=NFL&year=season_2010&timeframe=All&sort=46&old_category=TE
So are you guys done with the high-fives and circle jerk yet?
Let me clarify a few things for you.
1. When I say zero, I dont literally mean zero. Crabtree's YAC in 2010 was 5.8. There are a lot of guys in the low 6 to 5 range so it's not like he's running away with it (No pun intended). My main point was to say unlike some of the "elite" recievers that I watched this weekend, he isn't that elusive and doesn't appear to be a threat to take it to the house when the ball is in his hand. Just watch the video Marvin made, he made a few miss, but it's not like he's juking people out of their socks. More often than not, he's tackeled around where he catches the ball. That's not good considering he's not a burner or deep threat. At this point he is more of a possession reciever.
2. Crabtree was a top 10/11 pick. I'm judging him a lot harsher than a player like Josh Morgan. A player taken in the top ten should be elite, period.
3. We all know that Alex Smith only throws to recievers when they are wide open... (I thought you'd like that).
4. The fact that Davis and Morgan are so high on the YAC list leads me to believe I'm not expressing myself well enough. I was thinking of YAC more in terms of "after contact" or with defenders around you. Davis is fantasic when he is allowed to run, but the guy is like a rusty robot when it comes to eluding defenders with the ball in hand. I dont know that I've ever seen him make significant yards if he has to make people miss and thats how I think of Crabtree.
Pwnd, maybe. But he still hasn't shown me anything more than I would expect from a solid 2nd WR.
I'm gonna disagree with you here.
Crabtree isn't as elusive as Steve Smith (from the Panthers) or Desean Jackson. You are correct in that regard.
What he is however is subtle and strong. He makes small moves and almost always gets an extra 2 or 3 yards. He will also put his head down and drive his legs. I LOVE that.
I think the larger issue tho is scheme. For a guy to really take advantage of YAC ability, he needs a scheme that will get him the ball in space. He wasn't getting that. More often than not he was getting hit just as he caught the ball.
Whenever you saw him get the ball with some space, he did something with it.
When the WCO is fully installed and the QBs are familiar with it (and that may not be this year...it may take some time) you will see him break alot more of those plays into long runs.
Finally...I want to know what you consider great YAC. Are you talking Terrell Owens in SF? Thats just not going to happen. Say what you want about how good he should be since he was taken top 10, but ALOT of recievers were taken top 10 and NONE of them is Terrell Owens.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Jan 18, 2011 at 23:08:08 ]