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West Coast Offense comin back home. Will Crabtree thrive?

Crabtree is well suited to be in a West Coast offense, he's fairly good at running after the catch. Harbaugh offense at standard featured the TE a lot which has me excited!! Vernon is a beast and Walker is a very good pass catching TE himself.

Crabtree has to mature as a player and person before he will begin to succeed to the level many of us expect. He has TONS of potential to unlock, im anxious to see if the new offense can bring some of that out. Until he matures I don't think we will see that big time production, but he still young so im not ready to write him off yet.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Yes and so will Vernon. Because an offensive mind like Harbaugh actually knows how to use them. He's not an idiot like Dingleberry.


Cosigned. We just need a serviceable QB or a talented young guy to get them the ball.

Harbaugh will coach up a QB. I wouldn't even mind Alex back under his direction. His direction is totally different from NoWin and Dingleberry. Alex could actually improve under this guy. And we may need to buy a year or so.

Wait a minute, let's not start talking crazy now. Alex as smart as he is couldn't handle the WCO
Originally posted by socal81:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Yes and so will Vernon. Because an offensive mind like Harbaugh actually knows how to use them. He's not an idiot like Dingleberry.


Cosigned. We just need a serviceable QB or a talented young guy to get them the ball.

Harbaugh will coach up a QB. I wouldn't even mind Alex back under his direction. His direction is totally different from NoWin and Dingleberry. Alex could actually improve under this guy. And we may need to buy a year or so.

Wait a minute, let's not start talking crazy now. Alex as smart as he is couldn't
handle the WCO

what are you talking about alex smith took 12 AP classes and had a 5.8 GPA if anything he is probably the smartest player in the nfl.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by skynet907:
maybe if he quits playing half assed.
I am a life long niners fan that grew up in kansas city so my second team is the chiefs. A guy that reminds me of crabtree's situation is Dwayne Bowe. A guy with all the talent in the world but just seemed like he was getting by not caring, not trying, not producing the 1st round numbers for a few years.. Until they hired a pretty good coaching staff, a guy like Todd Haley who was able to light a fire under his ass with his no nonsense attitude and desire to win. Dwayne dominated this year. Hopefully Jim Harbaugh, with his losing is unacceptable mindset, a guy that looks to inspire and bring out greatness in players, CAN and hopefully WILL bring the guy out that I use to watch in the Big 12 all the time at texas tech. I like crabtree alot, and I think all of the players on this team have been held back by the coaching staff. That said, I think all our playmakers will thrive, especially crabtree and I haven't been this excited about our team, not just the 1st round pick we got, in a long long long time. Go Jed, go Trent, go Jim, GO 9ers!!!

And by the way, I have actually been a webzone fan for many years now but never posted, only read what many of you post. This is by far my favorite 49er website. Alot of you are really great fans and I have wondered for the past few years and especially after this year how we stll can be so dedicated to this team with such horrible output year in and out. This is the 1st time, even with an inexperienced nfl head coach, that I actually think we are on the right track. Things are looking up for once. Here is to a long illustrious career with jim, the next great Stanford to 49er coach.
Crabtree will benefit from having an offensive coach and a pass friendly system. Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker will be lethal.
More than Crabtree...Vernon and Delanie are going to put up cartoon numbers if they can get any type of decent QB play.
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by kristianV:
Originally posted by 661Ninerfan:
Originally posted by B650:
Gore, Davis, and Crabtree are salivating right now.

Exactly. I can't believe the WCO is back home!

Imagine all the Old WCO tapes they must have stacked up!!!

Steve Young has been talking for quite awhile about those tapes being ignored.

After hearing Young so excited about the JH hire today has anyone else had the thought that maybe he would be interested in being a QB coach or even OC??
Originally posted by NorCaL9er:
More than Crabtree...Vernon and Delanie are going to put up cartoon numbers if they can get any type of decent QB play.

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
You guys think Crabs will thrive now that the West Coast Offense is retuning home? (Oh ya, we still need a QB)

We need to make a serious run at Kolb... 3 years experience already.
Regardless of whether Crabree will thrive, he has to understand the importance of rapport. He should listen to Braylon:

Q: How is it on bonding with a quarterback, especially Alex Smith?
EDWARDS: You’ve got to get a feel for their personality. I know that sounds pretty trivial and juvenile but it’s honest. You’ve got to know how they feel day to day, how to come out them, how to approach them. Football-wise, you watch the extra film with them, you talk to them, you go through things. Whenever you have questions, you’ve got to ask. You make a mistake, you’ve got to own up to it. Sometimes they may make a mistake and you help them with it. That’s how you develop a rapport. There’s a lot of extra work and you’ve got to go above and beyond your 9-5 to get better, to build chemistry on the field.

Q: Is that what you’re going through right now?
EDWARDS: So far we are. I’ve known Alex for a while so it’s actually made it a little bit easier. It might not be if I didn’t know him. We’re doing as much as we can. We’re trying to get this thing rolling so we don’t have excuses. We don’t want that to be one of the things going into the Seattle game, Dallas, Cincinnati or the Eagles game with us still learning.

Q: What’s the best way to approach him?
EDWARDS: He’s a cool guy. Alex is always here. He’s always about football. He’s always open to any extra work – and that makes it easier. Alex lives in this building, which is cool. I’m going to be here as much as I can. I guess I’ll live here. I’ll try to be with him as much as I can. He’s very open, very calm, very down to earth. Working with him is going to be easy than somebody else.


http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/08/training-camp/braylon-edwards-on-acclimating/


Edwards gets me so stoked!!!


Go Niners!!!
NinerGM! Thanks for pointing this story out! What great comments demonstrating Rapport Building 101. I hope some of this gets through to Crabtree. Right now Smith is on the field and Crabtree is in a boot. Not his fault but I hope he is spending time with Smith, watching film or chatting...whatever!
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Aug 10, 2011 at 11:03 PM ]
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Harbaugh runs an offense that uses the available talent.

He knew how to use Toby Gerhart just fine. I'm sure Gore won't be the odd man out on offense


Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by fastforward:
Originally posted by B650:
Gore, Davis, and Crabtree are salivating right now.

Why would Gore be salivating? Harbaugh runs a QB-friendly type of offense, i.e. less emphasis on the running game. No more of that "if Gore gets such-and-such yardage, the team wins."

Harbaugh runs an offense that uses the available talent.

He knew how to use Toby Gerhart just fine. I'm sure Gore won't be the odd man out on offense
Harbaugh does not run a QB friendly offense, in fact he runs an offense that emphasizes a pounding running game, actually similar to dingleberry, however he takes advantage of the players best attributes and runs plays accordingly. Hes the "QB Whisperer" because he knows when to call a play and which play to call which makes it easier for the QB similar to Norv Turner in SD with Phillip Rivers. Look at how Phillip Rivers numbers have jumped under Norv. I think Smith will definitely have a better year than he had last year, very similar to that of what he had with Norv Turner, and if his numbers go up then Crabtree's will as well. Especially now that he will be utilized more as a slot receiver against #2 corners if Braylon holds down the outside. Things are looking up and im excited! Its nice to have a coaching staff that your confident of!
Originally posted by adacosta24:
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Harbaugh runs an offense that uses the available talent.

He knew how to use Toby Gerhart just fine. I'm sure Gore won't be the odd man out on offense


Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by fastforward:
Originally posted by B650:
Gore, Davis, and Crabtree are salivating right now.

Why would Gore be salivating? Harbaugh runs a QB-friendly type of offense, i.e. less emphasis on the running game. No more of that "if Gore gets such-and-such yardage, the team wins."

Harbaugh runs an offense that uses the available talent.

He knew how to use Toby Gerhart just fine. I'm sure Gore won't be the odd man out on offense
Harbaugh does not run a QB friendly offense, in fact he runs an offense that emphasizes a pounding running game, actually similar to dingleberry, however he takes advantage of the players best attributes and runs plays accordingly. Hes the "QB Whisperer" because he knows when to call a play and which play to call which makes it easier for the QB similar to Norv Turner in SD with Phillip Rivers. Look at how Phillip Rivers numbers have jumped under Norv. I think Smith will definitely have a better year than he had last year, very similar to that of what he had with Norv Turner, and if his numbers go up then Crabtree's will as well. Especially now that he will be utilized more as a slot receiver against #2 corners if Braylon holds down the outside. Things are looking up and im excited! Its nice to have a coaching staff that your confident of!

Couldn't agree more. KC was all about feeding their RB's be it running or passing. What they did real well was call the big plays at the right times along with maximizin he talent buy getting the players the ball in situations that they excel in. What did we used to do, run Vd on a curl completely negating his speed and run Walker on long timed backside slants completely negating his quickness and tackle breaking ability.
Vernon Davis will likely be the greatest beneficiary of the return of Bill's offense, but the receivers that do the best have to have sure hands and get yards after the catch, because many of the plays are two or three yard passes that the receiver has to break open with their elusiveness and running skills. Once again it seems like Vernon Davis has the best opportunity and all the tools to be that next Shannon Sharpe/Brent Jones type WCO TE.

I hope Gore can acclimatize himself to this offense quickly by refining his receiving skills and running crisp routes. He should be seeing a greater variety of pass plays to him, probably more than he's ever had before. Roger Craig and Ricky Watters were utilized in almost ever imaginable way. The running back has arguably the most diverse role and involves an assorted array of passes thrown their way in a multitude of positions.

Like Jerry Rice mentioned, Crabtree will not be effective the way the offense predicates until he spends time practicing. With lack of off-season practice, timing is off, and the receiver can become a liability. In other words, without the training camp and preseason, Crabtree ideally should not see significant time until several weeks into the season. They have to be very careful, because a mistake prone receiver that doesn't have the timing precise can eventually cost a game or two with a few errors. This also makes the quarterback look bad, when it is in fact the receivers lack of preparation that leads to the bad result. Unfortunately, Crabtree is probably the most sure handed receiver in this group, although he hasn't established himself as a serious YAC threat yet. This puts a lot of responsibility on Edwards to be the primary target, with the perceived lack of other highly skilled players at that position. If Morgan and/or Ginn can lift their game and make it consistent, the season could go quite nicely.
[ Edited by 49erDynasty on Aug 11, 2011 at 1:32 AM ]