Niner Talk "RANT" Thread

Originally posted by 49erfanatic:
Jed York must be a complete moron! To offer Harbaugh $4.5-$5M (when he knew that Michigan offered $5.2M, and Pete Carroll got $6.7M) is absurd. I can't believe that he made that offer with a straight face. Harbaugh must have been insulted by that, and realized how out of touch the 49ers front office really is. To make an offer any lower than what Pete Carroll got was probably a non-starter from the beginning, so why all the false bravado about how money was no object? It just gets the fans hopes up for no reason! Jed; cheap, dumb and naive is no way to go through life, son.

You know for a fact that was what was offerred? Or could that number have been leaked by someone with an Agenda. I don't know, I'm just spit-balling here, but maybe Harbaugh's agent, who is fielding phone calls trying to drive up the price and make it easier for his client to go to the highest bidder.

We've officially become the LA Clippers of the NFL. Piss poor ownership, worse management. A few bright spot players to keep our hopes up, only to be disappointed by the brasses once again. We had everything set up......we're in the worst division in nfl history. Even a semi-competent coach could rattle up 9 wins and get us in. Except, nobody wants to come here because the other-worldly triumvirate of Jed, Paraag, and Baalke continues to dwindle our hopes with their other incompetency and ineptitude. As long as the Yorks are here we will continue to suck. We've got 4 years left at the Stick, no stadium will be built for this half assed team and then we can watch them go to LA. Still saying Niners till I die, but not falling for the blind optimism.

[ Edited by JDeezy on Jan 6, 2011 at 16:55:12 ]

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Anyone who isn't painfully aware of how inexperienced, incompetent and unattractive our team management is, is just blind or deluding themselves.

We have a VERY young, inexperienced kid as "Team President" who ONLY has the job because his parents own the team.

Our GM, just got hired in-house, when the "success" of the past year was losing a division where going .500 would have won it, our HC, DC, GM all quit or got fired mid-season. Various players and coaches quit on the team and either just left or demanded to get traded, cut or leave football rather than play for this organization.

And by the way, we have gone through a new OC every year basically since Y2K.

And we have continued to not address our 3 most glaring needs on the team, QB, CB and pass rusher.

Other than that, our front office is amazing. Full of....

Success? Nope.
Experience? Nope.
Forethought and a proven record of recent good decisions? Nope.
Promise of bright new ideas because there is some kind of new, different talent bringing fresh perspectives to the organization? Nope.
Stability because of no turnover? Nope.
A die hard level of trust and loyalty from the players, coaches and others in the organization? Nope.
Oh, I know, league wide respect!..........Uh, NOPE!

Face it. The inmates are running the asylum and everyone knows it.

All True!
For 10 years they have always hired inexperienced guys, even though they themselves have little experience. They’ve hired inexpensive rookie head coaches (Nolan & Singletary) and never brought in an experienced NFL guru. Even Walsh (who knew everything) hired an experienced NFL guy to help (John McVay). It’s almost as if they want to surround themselves with weak coaches so that they retain power for themselves and look better by comparison.

I like Paraage and Baalke, but the facts are they are inexperienced and we have sucked for as long as they have been here. Most outsiders think that if we have sucked for 8 years, why would we hire the guys who have been here the entire time? We should hire an experienced guy to give a new perspective, at least to make us look inviting to outsiders. An outsider like Harbaugh can only judge us off of past performance, and the facts are we are a miserable failure. Why would Harbaugh assume that things would change when we simply promoted the least expensive GM from the inside.

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by 49erfanatic:
Jed York must be a complete moron! To offer Harbaugh $4.5-$5M (when he knew that Michigan offered $5.2M, and Pete Carroll got $6.7M) is absurd. I can't believe that he made that offer with a straight face. Harbaugh must have been insulted by that, and realized how out of touch the 49ers front office really is. To make an offer any lower than what Pete Carroll got was probably a non-starter from the beginning, so why all the false bravado about how money was no object? It just gets the fans hopes up for no reason! Jed; cheap, dumb and naive is no way to go through life, son.

You know for a fact that was what was offerred? Or could that number have been leaked by someone with an Agenda. I don't know, I'm just spit-balling here, but maybe Harbaugh's agent, who is fielding phone calls trying to drive up the price and make it easier for his client to go to the highest bidder.

And maybe you're the homiest homer who ever homied a homer.

You perpetuate and/or believe, the most unlikely and flimsiest excuses available.

And you post the same "Not everyone disagrees" post in every thread possible. Just because one person said something positive about Baalke and your blind homerism makes you think that whatever we do is a good thing, doesn't make it so.

Accept the reality. We ALL love this team. And want nothing but the best for it. But loving this team and wanting the best, doesn't mean that past or present bad decisions get a free ride. You have to hold the ownership/management accountable for their mistakes.

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Why do some people here think that it's okay to pay an unproven NFL coach, the same amount of money that you would pay a Gruden, or a Cowher, or a Billick?

Everybody is acting like him and Luck, are the next Montana and Walsh. Luck had one good year in college, 32 TD 6 INTs should not be considered spectacular, let him put up the same numbers again next year and than we can start comparing his college career. And Harbaugh? WTF has he done??? "Oh, well his brother is a good NFL coach, so automatically he's going to be a good NFL coach." Really...how many National Championships has he won, or gone to? What did he do prior to that, 4-8, 5-7, 8-5 W-L record, and people are sold on him because he has "fire" and great pedigree?...that's fine let Miami keep him and overpay for him, because it's going to take him the retirement of Belicheck and Brady for him to win the division, and oh ya, the Jets play in that division too.

Because the alternatives are bleak to say the least. There is not one assistant or unemployed coach that I had more faith in than Harbaugh, based on personality, fit to personnel, and proven ability to rebuild a team from ashes to prominence (albeit in the NCAA).

I wouldn't say that he made Stanford a place of prominence again. He had one good year, this year, the same year that Luck had a good year; prior to that, he did not do that great, if we compare Stanford to other dominant universities, and should we not compare the two? What is so spectacular about him that other college coaches have not done? Current teams that come to mind are, Uconn, Texas Tech, Cincinati, TCU...and that's just recent. All these schools have been "rebuilt". If you ask most analysts they will tell you that some of his hype is because his brother is also a successful NFL HC, but that doesn't always translate to success.

I would much rather have Gruden, or Billick, or John Fox as a HC, at least these guys are actually proven, have won or been to Superbowls, and know what it takes to get there. Also, they know the players in the league way better than Harbaugh or his staff from Stanford does. Ya, I know you have a scout team and all that, but don't you think most NFL coaches know the tendencies of a lot of NFL players?

I don't feel that bad. This team is ready to win now, we have players in their prime, or entering their prime, and some close to exiting their prime. We all know very well that nothing is certain in football. Just like he can become a solid HC, he can become another college coach, turned pro, bust, it won't be the first time it happened or the last time. At least with even a guy like Fisher or Fox, you know your team will be very competitive and good, if not great.

I have heard exactly that phrase, said it myself, for the last 4 seasons. It starts at the top and Jed York is sooooo obliviously transparent and in over his head that it is making a laughing stock of our team nationally.

"Starting tomorrow there will be an extensive GM search"

Bulls**t, it was Baalke from day 1.

"We will be looking at people from successful teams as well as some people currently not employed in the NFL"

Bulls**t, they did not interview one guy currently working for one of the leagues successful franchises.

"Money is no object"

Bulls**t, they low balled Harbaugh at 4.5m and should have hit the table with no less than 6. Pete signed his contract last year at 7, it reasonable to believe that the hot college coaching candidate was going to cost you. Don't get involved if your not ready to step up and make the play. Had the Niners come correct and closed the effin deal two hours before Miami thought to get involved this wouldn't be an issue, but Prince York tried to take the cheap route like always.

The current state of our Niners is one I never thought I would see. I remember the days when if we brung in a player or coach for an interview and made them an offer it was a done deal, even if they could have made more money elsewhere. Its sad and it all starts at the top, we have gone from one non football minded york running the team to the next, and they are killing this once proud franchise. I was prayed Eddie would help guide this kid "Jed" but doubt it will help, our owners who know nothing about running a football team and reputation as a perennial losers is keeping our Niners from getting back to what we once were. The Yorks have made one dumb move after another...Erickson,Nolan, Singletary,Hostler,Raye as coaches and cordinators....Donahue,McCloughan and now Baalke as GM's, and look at the guys who they let leave we could have gave a shot...McCarthy,Turner,Martz. And what makes it bad is we have a team that should be in the playoffs, and should be compeating with the good teams but these idiots have not put the right people in the right spots to lead these players, and now they have to start all over again,again! we are wasting precious time with the team we have intact, our Niners keep taking steps back while under this ownership, 8 years is way to long not to be in the playoffs! and its down right unacceptable to not even be over .500 in that time. We need change, but the change we need more then a Coach, GM, or QB is a new owner.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by 49erfanatic:
Jed York must be a complete moron! To offer Harbaugh $4.5-$5M (when he knew that Michigan offered $5.2M, and Pete Carroll got $6.7M) is absurd. I can't believe that he made that offer with a straight face. Harbaugh must have been insulted by that, and realized how out of touch the 49ers front office really is. To make an offer any lower than what Pete Carroll got was probably a non-starter from the beginning, so why all the false bravado about how money was no object? It just gets the fans hopes up for no reason! Jed; cheap, dumb and naive is no way to go through life, son.

You know for a fact that was what was offerred? Or could that number have been leaked by someone with an Agenda. I don't know, I'm just spit-balling here, but maybe Harbaugh's agent, who is fielding phone calls trying to drive up the price and make it easier for his client to go to the highest bidder.

And maybe you're the homiest homer who ever homied a homer.

You perpetuate and/or believe, the most unlikely and flimsiest excuses available.

And you post the same "Not everyone disagrees" post in every thread possible. Just because one person said something positive about Baalke and your blind homerism makes you think that whatever we do is a good thing, doesn't make it so.

Accept the reality. We ALL love this team. And want nothing but the best for it. But loving this team and wanting the best, doesn't mean that past or present bad decisions get a free ride. You have to hold the ownership/management accountable for their mistakes.

I posted the excerpts from that article twice. So that's crap.

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THREAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

Originally posted by JDeezy:
We've officially become the LA Clippers of the NFL. Piss poor ownership, worse management. A few bright spot players to keep our hopes up, only to be disappointed by the brasses once again. We had everything set up......we're in the worst division in nfl history. Even a semi-competent coach could rattle up 9 wins and get us in. Except, nobody wants to come here becomes the other-worldly triumvirate of Jed, Paraag, and Baalke continues to dwindle our hopes with their other incompetency and ineptitude. As long as the Yorks are here we will continue to suck. We've got 4 years left at the Stick, no stadium will be built for this half assed team and then we can watch them go to LA. Still saying Niners till I die, but not falling for the blind optimism.

We're not moving to LA, but we are the LA Clippers of the NFL.

Originally posted by nooj:
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THREAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

Niner Talk? WTF?

This thread failed from the start: shouldn't it be "Niners Talk"?

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by 49erfanatic:
Jed York must be a complete moron! To offer Harbaugh $4.5-$5M (when he knew that Michigan offered $5.2M, and Pete Carroll got $6.7M) is absurd. I can't believe that he made that offer with a straight face. Harbaugh must have been insulted by that, and realized how out of touch the 49ers front office really is. To make an offer any lower than what Pete Carroll got was probably a non-starter from the beginning, so why all the false bravado about how money was no object? It just gets the fans hopes up for no reason! Jed; cheap, dumb and naive is no way to go through life, son.

You know for a fact that was what was offerred? Or could that number have been leaked by someone with an Agenda. I don't know, I'm just spit-balling here, but maybe Harbaugh's agent, who is fielding phone calls trying to drive up the price and make it easier for his client to go to the highest bidder.

And maybe you're the homiest homer who ever homied a homer.

You perpetuate and/or believe, the most unlikely and flimsiest excuses available.

And you post the same "Not everyone disagrees" post in every thread possible. Just because one person said something positive about Baalke and your blind homerism makes you think that whatever we do is a good thing, doesn't make it so.

Accept the reality. We ALL love this team. And want nothing but the best for it. But loving this team and wanting the best, doesn't mean that past or present bad decisions get a free ride. You have to hold the ownership/management accountable for their mistakes.

I posted the excerpts from that article twice. So that's crap.

All I know is every thread I looked in had the same post. If it was only two, it's probably because I called you on it before you posted it in 12 other threads where some anti-Baalke stuff came up. I only assumed you didn't stop at the ones I had seen. If that's all you did, I apologize.

However, if that's your only response, obviously you know the rest is true. I applaud you for being a die hard fan and defending the undefendable because you bleed red and gold. But you have to know that we are literally s**tting all over ourselves as we try and "fix" the front office/coaching situation.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by 49erfanatic:
Jed York must be a complete moron! To offer Harbaugh $4.5-$5M (when he knew that Michigan offered $5.2M, and Pete Carroll got $6.7M) is absurd. I can't believe that he made that offer with a straight face. Harbaugh must have been insulted by that, and realized how out of touch the 49ers front office really is. To make an offer any lower than what Pete Carroll got was probably a non-starter from the beginning, so why all the false bravado about how money was no object? It just gets the fans hopes up for no reason! Jed; cheap, dumb and naive is no way to go through life, son.

You know for a fact that was what was offerred? Or could that number have been leaked by someone with an Agenda. I don't know, I'm just spit-balling here, but maybe Harbaugh's agent, who is fielding phone calls trying to drive up the price and make it easier for his client to go to the highest bidder.

And maybe you're the homiest homer who ever homied a homer.

You perpetuate and/or believe, the most unlikely and flimsiest excuses available.

And you post the same "Not everyone disagrees" post in every thread possible. Just because one person said something positive about Baalke and your blind homerism makes you think that whatever we do is a good thing, doesn't make it so.

Accept the reality. We ALL love this team. And want nothing but the best for it. But loving this team and wanting the best, doesn't mean that past or present bad decisions get a free ride. You have to hold the ownership/management accountable for their mistakes.

I posted the excerpts from that article twice. So that's crap.

All I know is every thread I looked in had the same post. If it was only two, it's probably because I called you on it before you posted it in 12 other threads where some anti-Baalke stuff came up. I only assumed you didn't stop at the ones I had seen. If that's all you did, I apologize.

However, if that's your only response, obviously you know the rest is true. I applaud you for being a die hard fan and defending the undefendable because you bleed red and gold. But you have to know that we are literally s**tting all over ourselves as we try and "fix" the front office/coaching situation.

The rest wasn't worthy of a response.

You could replace homer with hater or troll and it applies to many people with opposing views.

I'm not buying in to all of the twitter speculation that's been leaked today. Everyone on both sides, the Yorks, Harbaugh and team, dolphins, NFL network, they are all pushing an agenda. I'm waiting until the Harbaugh deal is signed with whatever team to determine which of these reports is probably valid.

You accuse me of blind homerism, when most comments in this thread are the result of blind pessimism.

We wouldn't even be having this conversation (at least not yet) if we had never lost to Carolina