How much of this season is on our O-Line?

Originally posted by jcashen87:

Originally posted by VA49er:
On the O-Line comment. (Don't know why this is revolving around McNabb) please see the 1982 Redskins who drafted 2 guards and started a rookie FA. There were a few good players in that group. I think you can't blame the O-line. They have played well at times.

I chalk this season up to coaching/management. Plain and simple. We did not do the things necessary to win games when we needed to. We have plenty of talent on this team but we still struggle to find our identity. I believe that is because the HC is trying to force an identity that is not there.

I agree with others who think Sing is gone. Unless he has a renaisance after he blunders the team into the playoffs and changes his approach from how he thinks football should be played based on his personal experience to how this team should play football based on its talent, then he should be gone in the offseason. We should already be lining up potential candidates.

For the record I'd rather go with an up and comer as a HC than a retread. No HC has EVER gone on to a SB with a second team. So I'm not interested in Cower or Gruden.

Also McNabb would be a colossal waste of time. He's old, out of shape, and he proved he doesn't adapt well to life without Reid. Even in a west coast offense. Lord knows Alex isn't the answer but neither is McNabb.

Mike Holmgren made it to the Super Bowl with Green Bay and The Seahawks. I know he didn't win with both teams and maybe thats what you meant but he did make it. I dont know if there are others and this isnt my cry for Holmgren as coach, although it does have a nice ring to it. I am willing to have a proven assistant that is highly revered in the league as you mentioned. Or a winner from a past team. Anybody with the knowledge, passion, and work ethic it takes to create winners. With a good developing staff behind him.

I think with certain teams there are football philosophy's that transcend time and coaches. Maybe it is the football gods but offensive minded head coaching is the fit for SF. These defensive HC's have run their course. End of expirement. Get a damn genius over here to clean up the mess.

dont forget Jon Gruden won the super bowl with his second team...the Bucs

Originally posted by VA49er:
For the record I'd rather go with an up and comer as a HC than a retread. No HC has EVER gone on to a SB with a second team. So I'm not interested in Cower or Gruden.

Not true. No HC has ever WON the SB with two teams, but a few have gone to the SB with two different teams. (Dick Vermeil, Mike Holmgren, Bill Parcells, and Dan Reeves come to mind).

The OL should be better next year...and yeah, there's pain associated with starting two rookies. This year's group should shoulder some of the blame for this so far rotten season...but, no more than inconsistent QBing, receivers who can't seem to get open against the better teams, inconsistent DL play, a porous secondary...and to save the "best" for last, inept coaching, led by our head coach. Put it all in a blender and wallah...you get a 5-9 season.

Chilo Rachal stinks to high hell..hopefully our new coach will see this

Most of the season being crap was because of the oline

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
nope.......not gonna happen

Sing is out........Alex is out........McNabb abd Gruden are in

Alex Smith has outplayed Donovan McNabb in 2010...pretty silly comment.

In what exactly ? the 2 point lead in QB rating ?

Yes...why would you swap a 26 year old for a 34-year old, who both produce the same...and McNabb plays for an elite play-caller and has played in that system his ENTIRE CAREER?

Because McNabb has a proven track record. Smith does not. Mcnabb is a probowler. Smith is not. McNabb has excelled in offenses where he had little to no offensive weapons. Smith has not. Shall I go on ?

I agree with most of your points, but the biggest reason why not to bring mcnabb is he seems to suck when not in whatever style of offense it is that philly runs.

Back to the original question though, our Oline is the 3rd biggest reason why we sucked this year.

1. Coach Singleminded
2. Mansuckies defense, and his star clown Nate Clements.
3. The Oline
4. Qb play (yeah I know you guys would put this higher but...)

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by daWest:
everyone has played a part in the awful season we've had, but no one more than Sing

How many losses are on Sing( manuskey)personally?

Fixed

Originally posted by VA49er:
On the O-Line comment. (Don't know why this is revolving around McNabb) please see the 1982 Redskins who drafted 2 guards and started a rookie FA. There were a few good players in that group. I think you can't blame the O-line. They have played well at times.

I chalk this season up to coaching/management. Plain and simple. We did not do the things necessary to win games when we needed to. We have plenty of talent on this team but we still struggle to find our identity. I believe that is because the HC is trying to force an identity that is not there.

I agree with others who think Sing is gone. Unless he has a renaisance after he blunders the team into the playoffs and changes his approach from how he thinks football should be played based on his personal experience to how this team should play football based on its talent, then he should be gone in the offseason. We should already be lining up potential candidates.

For the record I'd rather go with an up and comer as a HC than a retread. No HC has EVER gone on to a SB with a second team. So I'm not interested in Cower or Gruden.

Also McNabb would be a colossal waste of time. He's old, out of shape, and he proved he doesn't adapt well to life without Reid. Even in a west coast offense. Lord knows Alex isn't the answer but neither is McNabb.

I agree about nor hiring a retread, as I would also like an "up and comer", but Gruden actually won a SB with his second team. He was head coach of the Raiders then went to the Bucs and won a sB his first year. Tony Dungy also won a SB with his second team, and so did Bill Bellichek.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
nope.......not gonna happen

Sing is out........Alex is out........McNabb abd Gruden are in

Why would we want a washed up McNabb and a unproven Jon Gruden, who got fired for underachieving in Tampa Bay.

Because he has absolutely no clue what he is blabbering on about.

Originally posted by nickbradley:
We all want to blame Sing, but how much of this season is on:

1. starting two Rookies on the O-line (can't think of a team that ever had success doing that)

2. losing starting center for the season

3. losing starting left tackle for most of season

With a healthy, experienced offensive line in 2011, we may just very well dominate people up front, regardless of who is HC and who is at QB. I expect Anthony Davis to be much better next year, and Iupati will probably be a pro bowler next year (bank on it).

Our O-line was dominated against KC and Tampa, I don't think we'll lose in the trenches like that in 2011.

Due to those factors, I expect Singletary to be back in 2011 IF we win our remaining two games, regardless of whether we make the playoffs or not...although we will probably make the playoffs if we win our two remaining games (highly unlikely that SEA beats Tampa AND

I don't think starting 2 rookies affected us that much as Iupati has been like an anchor in the run and has played as advertised.

The problem is the decision to start Rachal and I think he's the main reason why Anthony Davis isn't getting much help. Rachal has been the weakest link on this OL by far. It almost seems as though he needs so much help that Davis ends up on his own more often.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by nickbradley:
We all want to blame Sing, but how much of this season is on:

1. starting two Rookies on the O-line (can't think of a team that ever had success doing that)

2. losing starting center for the season

3. losing starting left tackle for most of season

With a healthy, experienced offensive line in 2011, we may just very well dominate people up front, regardless of who is HC and who is at QB. I expect Anthony Davis to be much better next year, and Iupati will probably be a pro bowler next year (bank on it).

Our O-line was dominated against KC and Tampa, I don't think we'll lose in the trenches like that in 2011.

Due to those factors, I expect Singletary to be back in 2011 IF we win our remaining two games, regardless of whether we make the playoffs or not...although we will probably make the playoffs if we win our two remaining games (highly unlikely that SEA beats Tampa AND

I don't think starting 2 rookies affected us that much as Iupati has been like an anchor in the run and has played as advertised.

The problem is the decision to start Rachal and I think he's the main reason why Anthony Davis isn't getting much help. Rachal has been the weakest link on this OL by far. It almost seems as though he needs so much help that Davis ends up on his own more often.

what?

fo sho staring two rookies affected this offense
the biggest issue was losing Heitmann Baas has be ok at best he was horrible against SD

so you have a backup center calling the plays he's not 100% sure on to two rookies who's not 100% sure what he's saying

nlf.com
OL Stats
2010 ranked 27th
2009 ranked 22nd

qb hits
2010 ranked 29th
2009 ranked 20th

It's easy to look at those guys and lay a lot of this season's failures at their feet, but look closer and see who's really responsible. EVERYBODY knew that starting 2 rookies would be a problem, especially early, and it was: hardly the players fault that one played out as predicted. EVERYBODY knows Rachal is the weak link pass blocking, and he is: he doesn't make the decision to start himself every week. Sprinkle in the injuries we picked up this year and you have the perfect sh*t storm with Singletary at the eye of it yet again.

My sh*t is rolling uphill on this one and it all starts with Singletary. These players, once again have been set up to fail with an absolute dumb sh*t at the helm, and the higher up you go in the chain of command, the uglier it gets. There are starters that I don't like (as players) on this team i.e: Clements, Haralson, Ginn, Rachal and Norris; as well as a few that I don't like on a personal level i.e: Goldson, Franklin and Crabtree; but none of these guys have consistently been put in a position to succeed on this team, so ultimately I will always come back to coaching, management and my personal favorite, ownership.

Originally posted by NatralBrnThrila:
It's easy to look at those guys and lay a lot of this season's failures at their feet, but look closer and see who's really responsible. EVERYBODY knew that starting 2 rookies would be a problem, especially early, and it was: hardly the players fault that one played out as predicted. EVERYBODY knows Rachal is the weak link pass blocking, and he is: he doesn't make the decision to start himself every week. Sprinkle in the injuries we picked up this year and you have the perfect sh*t storm with Singletary at the eye of it yet again.

My sh*t is rolling uphill on this one and it all starts with Singletary. These players, once again have been set up to fail with an absolute dumb sh*t at the helm, and the higher up you go in the chain of command, the uglier it gets. There are starters that I don't like (as players) on this team i.e: Clements, Haralson, Ginn, Rachal and Norris; as well as a few that I don't like on a personal level i.e: Goldson, Franklin and Crabtree; but none of these guys have consistently been put in a position to succeed on this team, so ultimately I will always come back to coaching, management and my personal favorite, ownership.

Wow. Great post.

Originally posted by NatralBrnThrila:
It's easy to look at those guys and lay a lot of this season's failures at their feet, but look closer and see who's really responsible. EVERYBODY knew that starting 2 rookies would be a problem, especially early, and it was: hardly the players fault that one played out as predicted. EVERYBODY knows Rachal is the weak link pass blocking, and he is: he doesn't make the decision to start himself every week. Sprinkle in the injuries we picked up this year and you have the perfect sh*t storm with Singletary at the eye of it yet again.

My sh*t is rolling uphill on this one and it all starts with Singletary. These players, once again have been set up to fail with an absolute dumb sh*t at the helm, and the higher up you go in the chain of command, the uglier it gets. There are starters that I don't like (as players) on this team i.e: Clements, Haralson, Ginn, Rachal and Norris; as well as a few that I don't like on a personal level i.e: Goldson, Franklin and Crabtree; but none of these guys have consistently been put in a position to succeed on this team, so ultimately I will always come back to coaching, management and my personal favorite, ownership.

How would have two rookies been coached-up to play better, along with the injuries to Heitmann and Staley?

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by nickbradley:
We all want to blame Sing, but how much of this season is on:

1. starting two Rookies on the O-line (can't think of a team that ever had success doing that)

2. losing starting center for the season

3. losing starting left tackle for most of season

With a healthy, experienced offensive line in 2011, we may just very well dominate people up front, regardless of who is HC and who is at QB. I expect Anthony Davis to be much better next year, and Iupati will probably be a pro bowler next year (bank on it).

Our O-line was dominated against KC and Tampa, I don't think we'll lose in the trenches like that in 2011.

Due to those factors, I expect Singletary to be back in 2011 IF we win our remaining two games, regardless of whether we make the playoffs or not...although we will probably make the playoffs if we win our two remaining games (highly unlikely that SEA beats Tampa AND

I don't think starting 2 rookies affected us that much as Iupati has been like an anchor in the run and has played as advertised.

The problem is the decision to start Rachal and I think he's the main reason why Anthony Davis isn't getting much help. Rachal has been the weakest link on this OL by far. It almost seems as though he needs so much help that Davis ends up on his own more often.

what?

fo sho staring two rookies affected this offense
the biggest issue was losing Heitmann Baas has be ok at best he was horrible against SD

so you have a backup center calling the plays he's not 100% sure on to two rookies who's not 100% sure what he's saying

nlf.com
OL Stats
2010 ranked 27th
2009 ranked 22nd

qb hits
2010 ranked 29th
2009 ranked 20th

You can't say Iupati is playing worse at LG compared to Baas last year. Also, Staley goes out but Iupati is still consistent.

Now let us move to the middle. There is no proof that Baas does not understand the calls. As I noticed, there were far more blown protections last year up the middle compared to this year where the majority of the pressure has been at the edges (aside from when Rachal has that every other crap game) more than anything. Baas appears to do just fine when Snyder is at RG.

Now let us move to the right. Anthony Davis gets no help yet the entire right side played VERY well along with the entire line when Rachal does not play. Whenever Snyder has played RG, our OL looks VERY nice. Why is this? Could it be that Snyder knows his assignments much better and that he needs less help and he can work much better with Anthony Davis? The RG/FT combo keep getting crushed on stunts, especially early in the season. That responsibility is on both of them.

Summary: Snyder at RG = good blocking, Rachal at RG = inconsistent s**t blocking

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by nickbradley:
We all want to blame Sing, but how much of this season is on:

1. starting two Rookies on the O-line (can't think of a team that ever had success doing that)

2. losing starting center for the season

3. losing starting left tackle for most of season

With a healthy, experienced offensive line in 2011, we may just very well dominate people up front, regardless of who is HC and who is at QB. I expect Anthony Davis to be much better next year, and Iupati will probably be a pro bowler next year (bank on it).

Our O-line was dominated against KC and Tampa, I don't think we'll lose in the trenches like that in 2011.

Due to those factors, I expect Singletary to be back in 2011 IF we win our remaining two games, regardless of whether we make the playoffs or not...although we will probably make the playoffs if we win our two remaining games (highly unlikely that SEA beats Tampa AND

I don't think starting 2 rookies affected us that much as Iupati has been like an anchor in the run and has played as advertised.

The problem is the decision to start Rachal and I think he's the main reason why Anthony Davis isn't getting much help. Rachal has been the weakest link on this OL by far. It almost seems as though he needs so much help that Davis ends up on his own more often.

what?

fo sho staring two rookies affected this offense
the biggest issue was losing Heitmann Baas has be ok at best he was horrible against SD

so you have a backup center calling the plays he's not 100% sure on to two rookies who's not 100% sure what he's saying

nlf.com
OL Stats
2010 ranked 27th
2009 ranked 22nd

qb hits
2010 ranked 29th
2009 ranked 20th

You can't say Iupati is playing worse at LG compared to Baas last year. Also, Staley goes out but Iupati is still consistent.

Now let us move to the middle. There is no proof that Baas does not understand the calls. As I noticed, there were far more blown protections last year up the middle compared to this year where the majority of the pressure has been at the edges (aside from when Rachal has that every other crap game) more than anything. Baas appears to do just fine when Snyder is at RG.

Now let us move to the right. Anthony Davis gets no help yet the entire right side played VERY well along with the entire line when Rachal does not play. Whenever Snyder has played RG, our OL looks VERY nice. Why is this? Could it be that Snyder knows his assignments much better and that he needs less help and he can work much better with Anthony Davis? The RG/FT combo keep getting crushed on stunts, especially early in the season. That responsibility is on both of them.

Summary: Snyder at RG = good blocking, Rachal at RG = inconsistent s**t blocking

We can add center to position of need in the off season. Jimmy Johnson said Sunday that the CBA would likely be worked out before the Superbowl according to his sources in the players union and NFL front offices.