Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Sorry. As much as I would like to see better QB play, if the only change was the same Bradford as he came out of college in exchange for Alex, then we will disagree.
Originally posted by baybreaker707:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
It is unbelievable how little leeway any OTHER QB on the 49ers roster gets. Alex Smith is given an exponential number of excuses/opportunities to become an average QB while there is absolutely ZERO margin for error with our other QBs (Shaun Hill, Troy Smith).
BTW: Bradford's rookie season > Alex Smith's career.
Believe this, Alex knows the playbook better than any qb we have right now. But it doesn't matter because the oline is crap. You can throw anyone of our qbs back there but at this point the coaches want the one with better knowledge of the plays.
So you're saying if Bradford was on this team, we would be having a better season?
The HUGE difference is that though Bradford came from a spread system similar to Alex, from the very first day, Sam had one of the best and brightest offensive minds in the game tailoring the offense specifically for what Bradford could do, and at the rate he could absorb it. Pat Shurmur started with simple plays, with short receivers on very easy throws...at least one, sometimes two on every play, protection schemes were designed specifically for individual plays with easy checkdowns, etc. In short, the entire Ram offense was geared to make Bradford comfortable and able to take the things he did in the spread and apply them to the NFL and then GRADUALLY move into pro style plays...and it has worked, though Sam appears to have hit a wall the past three weeks but he is far advanced over where he started the season.
If Bradford would have started the season with the 49ers and trying to run this offense with the amateurs that are steering this truck, he would be a wreck right now. To compare Bradford NOW to what he was at the beginning of the season is night and day. The very comparison between Smith and Bradford is the strongest evidence to fire Singletary. One has had every advantage to enable his development while the other has had every barrier imaginable thrown in his path.
Great. So in Alex's first 5 seasons you guys clamored about how he didnt have the continuity with his OC needed to excel in the NFL. Now that that theory is out the window, you take a guy that HAS excelled with only ONE year on an offensive system, and excuse that as "well, his OC is a mastermind".
Ok, I'll bite............why didnt Smith excel with McCarthy ? Why didnt he excel with Turner ? Why didnt Martz give him a chance to play ? Arent all of these guys "masterminds" ? How can a first year QB excel under a NEW offensive system, yet Alex failed in all 7 of his ?
Alexcuse number 2 coming right up.........
Offensive coordinators oversee the training that goes on with the QBs but they don't deal with the nuts and bolts of the day to day training. That is done by the QB coach. In Alex's case, it was Amateur Night for the QB coach up until Mike Johnson arrived here. That was the first time they had anybody with any background training the position, and even MJ is not very deeply experienced.
In the case of the Rams, Spagnuolo turned Bradford over personally to Pat Shurmur for training all through TC and PS. Shurmur did not turn him over to QB coach Richard Curl until the season starts. Curl, BTW, played QB in college and has been coaching pros since 1991. So while Alex has been coached by guys with no playing experience and very little pro coaching experience, Bradford has had one of the best OCs and QB coaches in the game. How can you even compare the two situations? They just couldn't be more different.
Look, we are about to dump our second set of coaches in 6 years because they just don't have a clue about offense. So, unless you believe firing Singletary is wrong and it is all just the offensive players that are making him look bad, how can you not see that the coaching carries the major role in why Alex did not turn out to be what the team needed?
[ Edited by dj43 on Dec 18, 2010 at 23:34:17 ]