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Eddie Debartolo on KNBR 680 (Ralph/Tom) @ 5PM PST!

Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
0lol Eddie hired Walsh, overpaid everyone with no salary cap. The salary cap came about because of Eddie. (arguably)

Eddie's way of running an organization would not work in today's NFL.

He knows how to be an owner. He said it himself: hire football people and let THEM run the show. Salary cap or not, that's the smart thing for any owner to do.

He also said this organization needs a QB. He's dead on. If he were the owner now, we'd have football people running the show and we'd probably have a good QB. His "way of running an organization" would work in any era.

Amen Brother!!
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
0lol Eddie hired Walsh, overpaid everyone with no salary cap. The salary cap came about because of Eddie. (arguably)

Eddie's way of running an organization would not work in today's NFL.

He knows how to be an owner. He said it himself: hire football people and let THEM run the show. Salary cap or not, that's the smart thing for any owner to do.

He also said this organization needs a QB. He's dead on. If he were the owner now, we'd have football people running the show and we'd probably have a good QB. His "way of running an organization" would work in any era.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good owner. What I am saying is he would be average now compared to then. And you are right about having football people running the show, chances are you would be more successful.

Eddie hired Walsh. He ran the football side of things while Eddie wrote the checks. Big ones. And don't forget Walsh quit in large part because of Eddie's micromanaging. Eddie was a spoiled rich kid with a large checkbook. Players wanted to come here because they knew they were going to get paid and in alot of cases overpaid. How else do you explain Steve Young riding the bench for 3+ years making 3 mil per?

And he was really going out on a limb saying we need a QB. Any f**king idiot knows that. We'll see wtf Jed knows soon enough, football execs and QB alike.
Eddie is a leader of men. Man I miss that dude.
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Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
0lol Eddie hired Walsh, overpaid everyone with no salary cap. The salary cap came about because of Eddie. (arguably)

Eddie's way of running an organization would not work in today's NFL.

He knows how to be an owner. He said it himself: hire football people and let THEM run the show. Salary cap or not, that's the smart thing for any owner to do.

He also said this organization needs a QB. He's dead on. If he were the owner now, we'd have football people running the show and we'd probably have a good QB. His "way of running an organization" would work in any era.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good owner. What I am saying is he would be average now compared to then. And you are right about having football people running the show, chances are you would be more successful.
eh, I am not so sure about that. Good business people find out how to make things work for them. Eddie made a lot of mistakes early on, like hiring Joe Thomas and turning it all over to him. However, he learned from those mistakes and became the standard. His comments in the interview showed he has a good handle on the basics of how to run a FOOTBALL business, and I think he would be very successful.

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Eddie hired Walsh. He ran the football side of things while Eddie wrote the checks. Big ones. And don't forget Walsh quit in large part because of Eddie's micromanaging. Eddie was a spoiled rich kid with a large checkbook. Players wanted to come here because they knew they were going to get paid and in alot of cases overpaid. How else do you explain Steve Young riding the bench for 3+ years making 3 mil per?
Of course, players also wanted to come here because the team was winning.

I loved his comment about Steve Young: "We stole him. We knew what we were getting." I remember all the talk prior to the trade that Young was a bust and should concentrate on being a running back. Tampa fans were glad to see him go and Walsh turned him into a HOF QB, as we all now know.
Originally posted by mdonch3:
Originally posted by MntIdaGold:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by teeohh:
can't Jed hire him for some role? Why not

He's still expunged from taking part in any NFL/NFL team operations, and would have to be voted back in via NFL league/labor/exec grand counsel to be allowed to own/become a team VP/CEO again for an NFL team (or even be a janitor).

Makes you wonder that if Eddie makes it into the HOF this year as a first-year ballot entree he'll get into the CBA/lock-out mix this Spring (and vie to be voted back in). Only problem is, is he was charged with gambling, and that's bigger than 'murder' in the NFL right now.

Although seriously, the NFL could use a genius mind like him to sort this (CBA/labor/lockout) issue out. (I know Jerry Jones, the Roonies, and the Krafts are pulling for Eddie to come back more than anybody in the NFL ownership pool right now.)

Not trying to take you to task, but wasn't Eddie nailed for bribery and not gambling? He was bribing for a waterboat casino license.

I'm almost positive he was convicted of not reporting a felony. The other charges would not stick. Although I may be wrong.

You are right. He pleaded guilty to a charge of failing to report a felony, and received a $1 million fine and two years of probation in return for his testimony against Edwards. Edwards tried to extort 400,000 from Eddie in return for a gambling license.
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Originally posted by mdonch3:
Originally posted by MntIdaGold:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by teeohh:
can't Jed hire him for some role? Why not

He's still expunged from taking part in any NFL/NFL team operations, and would have to be voted back in via NFL league/labor/exec grand counsel to be allowed to own/become a team VP/CEO again for an NFL team (or even be a janitor).

Makes you wonder that if Eddie makes it into the HOF this year as a first-year ballot entree he'll get into the CBA/lock-out mix this Spring (and vie to be voted back in). Only problem is, is he was charged with gambling, and that's bigger than 'murder' in the NFL right now.

Although seriously, the NFL could use a genius mind like him to sort this (CBA/labor/lockout) issue out. (I know Jerry Jones, the Roonies, and the Krafts are pulling for Eddie to come back more than anybody in the NFL ownership pool right now.)

Not trying to take you to task, but wasn't Eddie nailed for bribery and not gambling? He was bribing for a waterboat casino license.

I'm almost positive he was convicted of not reporting a felony. The other charges would not stick. Although I may be wrong.

You are right. He pleaded guilty to a charge of failing to report a felony, and received a $1 million fine and two years of probation in return for his testimony against Edwards. Edwards tried to extort 400,000 from Eddie in return for a gambling license.

What really gets me about that situation is that Edwards was already under investigation by the FBI when Debartolo came into the picture so it was "wrong place at the wrong time" and we've had to suffer ever since.
Originally posted by dj43:
The one thing that stands out in my mind after listening to this is how absolutely adamant about the importance of having a "really strong football guy" in charge of running the football side of the operation. Knowing he and Jed talk a lot, I can't see Jed not bringing in that football guy to make the decision on the new coach.

It was also interesting to note that Eddie felt they had far too many people working on the administrative side of things. "Get rid of half of them" seemed to be the message.

I hope you are right about Jed taking Debartolo's advice but I have serious doubts just based on York history. They obviously have some specific problem with a true GM and the power that comes with it. What Debartolo suggests is a guy who will make big changes to the staff in all areas but that's the sticking point. My gut tells me John York just can't let an OUTSIDER make wholesale changes to his "company".
[ Edited by NorthNiner on Dec 9, 2010 at 4:47 PM ]
Originally posted by NorthNiner:
Originally posted by dj43:
The one thing that stands out in my mind after listening to this is how absolutely adamant about the importance of having a "really strong football guy" in charge of running the football side of the operation. Knowing he and Jed talk a lot, I can't see Jed not bringing in that football guy to make the decision on the new coach.

It was also interesting to note that Eddie felt they had far too many people working on the administrative side of things. "Get rid of half of them" seemed to be the message.

I hope you are right about Jed taking Debartolo's advice but I have serious doubts just based on York history. They obviously have some specific problem with a true GM and the power that comes with it. What Debartolo suggests is a guy who will make big changes to the staff in all areas but that's the sticking point. My gut tells me John York just can't let an OUTSIDER make wholesale changes to his "company".

John York promoted McCloughan to GM after the Nolan fiasco. Prior to that, John York had Donahue as GM. I really don't know what "specific problem with a true GM and the power that comes with it" you are talking about.

-9fA
Im hoping that Eddie really has taught Jed something. Back when the Niners traded for young, they gave up a 2nd and 4th. I dont know that this FO would give up that for a QB.

Depending where the Niners are slotted in the draft, Im hoping they are willing to give up three picks to try for Luck. It's a pipedream, but if it were my choice, I would swap firsts, give up a first next year, and give up a 3rd or 4th this year.
[ Edited by TheRatMan13 on Dec 9, 2010 at 6:03 PM ]