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SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS GAMEDAY THREAD (Week 14)

Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

If Alex Smith tears it up without Gore would it be safe to say that Singletary's mancrush on Frank Gore was holding Alex Smith back?

Gotta do it 3 games in a row. That was my measurement on Troy and he disappointed. The first team won't know what hit them. The second team does and we counter. The third team has seen both and is the true test.

I was joking. But in all honesty I think Gore being out might actually help Alex Smith out. Singletary and company won't be able to just rely on running the ball 10000 times up the middle with Gore, so they have to turn to the other playmakers on the field being VD, Crabtree, Walker and Westbrook.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

Never
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

Never

Frank Gore is Alex Smith's criptonite
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

If Alex Smith tears it up without Gore would it be safe to say that Singletary's mancrush on Frank Gore was holding Alex Smith back?

Gotta do it 3 games in a row. That was my measurement on Troy and he disappointed. The first team won't know what hit them. The second team does and we counter. The third team has seen both and is the true test.

I was joking. But in all honesty I think Gore being out might actually help Alex Smith out. Singletary and company won't be able to just rely on running the ball 10000 times up the middle with Gore, so they have to turn to the other playmakers on the field being VD, Crabtree, Walker and Westbrook.

I don't think it will help. Alex has had plenty of 30+ attempt games this year and we get the same result from him: dig route here nd there with a curl route and nothing anywhere else.

And don't worry, they wil start out running Dixon and Westbrook down the middle, get us slightly behind and then predictable trying to catch up with mostly passing.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

If Alex Smith tears it up without Gore would it be safe to say that Singletary's mancrush on Frank Gore was holding Alex Smith back?

Gotta do it 3 games in a row. That was my measurement on Troy and he disappointed. The first team won't know what hit them. The second team does and we counter. The third team has seen both and is the true test.

I was joking. But in all honesty I think Gore being out might actually help Alex Smith out. Singletary and company won't be able to just rely on running the ball 10000 times up the middle with Gore, so they have to turn to the other playmakers on the field being VD, Crabtree, Walker and Westbrook.

I don't think it will help. Alex has had plenty of 30+ attempt games this year and we get the same result from him: dig route here nd there with a curl route and nothing anywhere else.

And don't worry, they wil start out running Dixon and Westbrook down the middle, get us slightly behind and then predictable trying to catch up with mostly passing.

the number of attempts is irrelevant. What is relevant is the play calling. When majority of the 3rd downs are 3rd and long due to a crappy run game it doesn't exactly make it easy on the QB. Also the play calling doesn't exactly allow for a QB to get into rhythm. Usually Alex Smith gets into rhythm on the first drive, scores a TD then play calling turns into run run run/screen punt.
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

Never

HAHAHAHA NO CHECKDOWN CRUTCH!!! ALEX IS f**kED!!!
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

Never

HAHAHAHA NO CHECKDOWN CRUTCH!!! ALEX IS f**kED!!!

Looks like the receivers might actually have to make an effort to get open
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

Never

HAHAHAHA NO CHECKDOWN CRUTCH!!! ALEX IS f**kED!!!

Looks like the receivers might actually have to make an effort to get open

I knew that was Alex's main problem was his Wr's not trying to get open. silly me
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

Never

HAHAHAHA NO CHECKDOWN CRUTCH!!! ALEX IS f**kED!!!

Looks like the receivers might actually have to make an effort to get open

I knew that was Alex's main problem was his Wr's not trying to get open. silly me

Not so much that they were not trying, but rather that they could not. Alex Smith's main problem was the oline. The Oline has shown improvement that past 2 games with Troy Smith at QB. If the Oline can perform like they did for Troy then Alex should have time to actually throw the ball. Troy Smith's problem was that held on to the ball entirely to long where Alex would take what the defense gave him which was usually Gore out of the backfield.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

If Alex Smith tears it up without Gore would it be safe to say that Singletary's mancrush on Frank Gore was holding Alex Smith back?

Gotta do it 3 games in a row. That was my measurement on Troy and he disappointed. The first team won't know what hit them. The second team does and we counter. The third team has seen both and is the true test.

I was joking. But in all honesty I think Gore being out might actually help Alex Smith out. Singletary and company won't be able to just rely on running the ball 10000 times up the middle with Gore, so they have to turn to the other playmakers on the field being VD, Crabtree, Walker and Westbrook.

I don't think it will help. Alex has had plenty of 30+ attempt games this year and we get the same result from him: dig route here nd there with a curl route and nothing anywhere else.

And don't worry, they wil start out running Dixon and Westbrook down the middle, get us slightly behind and then predictable trying to catch up with mostly passing.

the number of attempts is irrelevant. What is relevant is the play calling. When majority of the 3rd downs are 3rd and long due to a crappy run game it doesn't exactly make it easy on the QB. Also the play calling doesn't exactly allow for a QB to get into rhythm. Usually Alex Smith gets into rhythm on the first drive, scores a TD then play calling turns into run run run/screen punt.

I wouldn't say "usually" like its the norm since we only have 3 out of his 7 starts leading to first drive TD's but under MJ, it is 3 out of 4 so that is a huge step in the right direction. I agree though, as hard as it is to imagine someone getting better without their best player, I do think the play calling might change and Westbrook can be just as effective as a checkdown receiver as Frank Gore was. They are both very talented RB's and although two different styled RB's, Westbrook is no slouch when it comes to the passing game. I am hoping Alex has picked up a COUPLE traits from Troy in a sense of AT LEAST throwing the ball down the field to give his guys a chance and to use his athletic ability, to extend some plays. As bad as it has been watching Alex over the years, I really think he will put together a solid game this week and keep us in the race
[ Edited by Sims84 on Dec 8, 2010 at 11:24 PM ]
Originally posted by Sims84:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

If Alex Smith tears it up without Gore would it be safe to say that Singletary's mancrush on Frank Gore was holding Alex Smith back?

Gotta do it 3 games in a row. That was my measurement on Troy and he disappointed. The first team won't know what hit them. The second team does and we counter. The third team has seen both and is the true test.

I was joking. But in all honesty I think Gore being out might actually help Alex Smith out. Singletary and company won't be able to just rely on running the ball 10000 times up the middle with Gore, so they have to turn to the other playmakers on the field being VD, Crabtree, Walker and Westbrook.

I don't think it will help. Alex has had plenty of 30+ attempt games this year and we get the same result from him: dig route here nd there with a curl route and nothing anywhere else.

And don't worry, they wil start out running Dixon and Westbrook down the middle, get us slightly behind and then predictable trying to catch up with mostly passing.

the number of attempts is irrelevant. What is relevant is the play calling. When majority of the 3rd downs are 3rd and long due to a crappy run game it doesn't exactly make it easy on the QB. Also the play calling doesn't exactly allow for a QB to get into rhythm. Usually Alex Smith gets into rhythm on the first drive, scores a TD then play calling turns into run run run/screen punt.

I wouldn't say "usually" like its the norm since we only have 3 out of his 7 starts leading to first drive TD's but under MJ, it is 3 out of 4 so that is a huge step in the right direction. I agree though, as hard as it is to imagine a someone getting better without their best player, I do think the play calling might change and Westbrook can be just as effective as a checkdown receiver as Frank Gore was. They are both very talented RB's and although two different styled RB's, Westbrook is no slouch when it comes to the passing game. I am hoping Alex has picked up a COUPLE traits from Troy in a sense of AT LEAST throwing the ball down the field to give his guys a chance and to use his athletic ability, to extend some plays. As bad as it has been watching Alex over the years, I really think he will put together a solid game this week and keep us in the race

By usually I was referring to after the change to Michael Johnson. I just hope the play calling does change to exploit our play makers.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Sims84:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

If Alex Smith tears it up without Gore would it be safe to say that Singletary's mancrush on Frank Gore was holding Alex Smith back?

Gotta do it 3 games in a row. That was my measurement on Troy and he disappointed. The first team won't know what hit them. The second team does and we counter. The third team has seen both and is the true test.

I was joking. But in all honesty I think Gore being out might actually help Alex Smith out. Singletary and company won't be able to just rely on running the ball 10000 times up the middle with Gore, so they have to turn to the other playmakers on the field being VD, Crabtree, Walker and Westbrook.

I don't think it will help. Alex has had plenty of 30+ attempt games this year and we get the same result from him: dig route here nd there with a curl route and nothing anywhere else.

And don't worry, they wil start out running Dixon and Westbrook down the middle, get us slightly behind and then predictable trying to catch up with mostly passing.

the number of attempts is irrelevant. What is relevant is the play calling. When majority of the 3rd downs are 3rd and long due to a crappy run game it doesn't exactly make it easy on the QB. Also the play calling doesn't exactly allow for a QB to get into rhythm. Usually Alex Smith gets into rhythm on the first drive, scores a TD then play calling turns into run run run/screen punt.

I wouldn't say "usually" like its the norm since we only have 3 out of his 7 starts leading to first drive TD's but under MJ, it is 3 out of 4 so that is a huge step in the right direction. I agree though, as hard as it is to imagine a someone getting better without their best player, I do think the play calling might change and Westbrook can be just as effective as a checkdown receiver as Frank Gore was. They are both very talented RB's and although two different styled RB's, Westbrook is no slouch when it comes to the passing game. I am hoping Alex has picked up a COUPLE traits from Troy in a sense of AT LEAST throwing the ball down the field to give his guys a chance and to use his athletic ability, to extend some plays. As bad as it has been watching Alex over the years, I really think he will put together a solid game this week and keep us in the race

By usually I was referring to after the change to Michael Johnson. I just hope the play calling does change to exploit our play makers.

Absolutely. Singletary has said a lot of BS over the course of the season, but like I stated in another post, I believe all the reports and rumors are starting to get to him as a MAN, and I am thinking (HOPING) that he finally realizes he is down to his last glimpse of hope and just steps back and allows his coordinators to run the show. Save face, and keep his hands out of the mix and just see what happens. By now, he has absolutely nothing to lose and I'm hoping he finally realized that. He said he is putting Alex in because he gives us the best chance to win, although his 1-6 record would say otherwise, I agree with him IF, and that is a HUGE IF, he allows MJ to use his whole playbook instead of going conservative all the time.
Originally posted by Sims84:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Sims84:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

If Alex Smith tears it up without Gore would it be safe to say that Singletary's mancrush on Frank Gore was holding Alex Smith back?

Gotta do it 3 games in a row. That was my measurement on Troy and he disappointed. The first team won't know what hit them. The second team does and we counter. The third team has seen both and is the true test.

I was joking. But in all honesty I think Gore being out might actually help Alex Smith out. Singletary and company won't be able to just rely on running the ball 10000 times up the middle with Gore, so they have to turn to the other playmakers on the field being VD, Crabtree, Walker and Westbrook.

I don't think it will help. Alex has had plenty of 30+ attempt games this year and we get the same result from him: dig route here nd there with a curl route and nothing anywhere else.

And don't worry, they wil start out running Dixon and Westbrook down the middle, get us slightly behind and then predictable trying to catch up with mostly passing.

the number of attempts is irrelevant. What is relevant is the play calling. When majority of the 3rd downs are 3rd and long due to a crappy run game it doesn't exactly make it easy on the QB. Also the play calling doesn't exactly allow for a QB to get into rhythm. Usually Alex Smith gets into rhythm on the first drive, scores a TD then play calling turns into run run run/screen punt.

I wouldn't say "usually" like its the norm since we only have 3 out of his 7 starts leading to first drive TD's but under MJ, it is 3 out of 4 so that is a huge step in the right direction. I agree though, as hard as it is to imagine a someone getting better without their best player, I do think the play calling might change and Westbrook can be just as effective as a checkdown receiver as Frank Gore was. They are both very talented RB's and although two different styled RB's, Westbrook is no slouch when it comes to the passing game. I am hoping Alex has picked up a COUPLE traits from Troy in a sense of AT LEAST throwing the ball down the field to give his guys a chance and to use his athletic ability, to extend some plays. As bad as it has been watching Alex over the years, I really think he will put together a solid game this week and keep us in the race

By usually I was referring to after the change to Michael Johnson. I just hope the play calling does change to exploit our play makers.

Absolutely. Singletary has said a lot of BS over the course of the season, but like I stated in another post, I believe all the reports and rumors are starting to get to him as a MAN, and I am thinking (HOPING) that he finally realizes he is down to his last glimpse of hope and just steps back and allows his coordinators to run the show. Save face, and keep his hands out of the mix and just see what happens. By now, he has absolutely nothing to lose and I'm hoping he finally realized that. He said he is putting Alex in because he gives us the best chance to win, although his 1-6 record would say otherwise, I agree with him IF, and that is a HUGE IF, he allows MJ to use his whole playbook instead of going conservative all the time.

Usually that first opening drive is an excellent mix of creative and well designed plays. The problem is that it tends to (3 out of 4 as you stated) lead to a TD. That normally would be great except our dumb ass HC tries to sit on that lead and run out the clock with conservative play calling afterwards. Singletary plays to not lose when he needs to play to win the game. Honestly I can't blame him for that mentality when he learned how to be a HC from Mike Nolan who had the same mentality when it came to being a HC. I honestly believe that if Singletary started playing to win and developed a killer instinct he could be a serviceable HC.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Sims84:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Sims84:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
When was the last time Alex Smith was without Frank Gore??

If Alex Smith tears it up without Gore would it be safe to say that Singletary's mancrush on Frank Gore was holding Alex Smith back?

Gotta do it 3 games in a row. That was my measurement on Troy and he disappointed. The first team won't know what hit them. The second team does and we counter. The third team has seen both and is the true test.

I was joking. But in all honesty I think Gore being out might actually help Alex Smith out. Singletary and company won't be able to just rely on running the ball 10000 times up the middle with Gore, so they have to turn to the other playmakers on the field being VD, Crabtree, Walker and Westbrook.

I don't think it will help. Alex has had plenty of 30+ attempt games this year and we get the same result from him: dig route here nd there with a curl route and nothing anywhere else.

And don't worry, they wil start out running Dixon and Westbrook down the middle, get us slightly behind and then predictable trying to catch up with mostly passing.

the number of attempts is irrelevant. What is relevant is the play calling. When majority of the 3rd downs are 3rd and long due to a crappy run game it doesn't exactly make it easy on the QB. Also the play calling doesn't exactly allow for a QB to get into rhythm. Usually Alex Smith gets into rhythm on the first drive, scores a TD then play calling turns into run run run/screen punt.

I wouldn't say "usually" like its the norm since we only have 3 out of his 7 starts leading to first drive TD's but under MJ, it is 3 out of 4 so that is a huge step in the right direction. I agree though, as hard as it is to imagine a someone getting better without their best player, I do think the play calling might change and Westbrook can be just as effective as a checkdown receiver as Frank Gore was. They are both very talented RB's and although two different styled RB's, Westbrook is no slouch when it comes to the passing game. I am hoping Alex has picked up a COUPLE traits from Troy in a sense of AT LEAST throwing the ball down the field to give his guys a chance and to use his athletic ability, to extend some plays. As bad as it has been watching Alex over the years, I really think he will put together a solid game this week and keep us in the race

By usually I was referring to after the change to Michael Johnson. I just hope the play calling does change to exploit our play makers.

Absolutely. Singletary has said a lot of BS over the course of the season, but like I stated in another post, I believe all the reports and rumors are starting to get to him as a MAN, and I am thinking (HOPING) that he finally realizes he is down to his last glimpse of hope and just steps back and allows his coordinators to run the show. Save face, and keep his hands out of the mix and just see what happens. By now, he has absolutely nothing to lose and I'm hoping he finally realized that. He said he is putting Alex in because he gives us the best chance to win, although his 1-6 record would say otherwise, I agree with him IF, and that is a HUGE IF, he allows MJ to use his whole playbook instead of going conservative all the time.

Usually that first opening drive is an excellent mix of creative and well designed plays. The problem is that it tends to (3 out of 4 as you stated) lead to a TD. That normally would be great except our dumb ass HC tries to sit on that lead and run out the clock with conservative play calling afterwards. Singletary plays to not lose when he needs to play to win the game. Honestly I can't blame him for that mentality when he learned how to be a HC from Mike Nolan who had the same mentality when it came to being a HC. I honestly believe that if Singletary started playing to win and developed a killer instinct he could be a serviceable HC.

We have this same belief. Being that he is not as football savvy as we would like, he has to rely on his coordinators but he gets in trouble by doing the EXACT opposite. He needs to let them have free reigns and see how effective/ineffective it is and go from there. He should of done this right off that bat and I guarantee we would of been a much better team and might even still have Martz or AT LEAST Linehan. But what do I know? I'm just a fan that has to suffer from every sunday
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