Which Smith should start Week 10?

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by global_nomad:
i'd much rather see a guy with zip and accuracy than a guy who still leads the league in turnovers

You talking about Eli Manning? Drew Brees? or Brett Favre?

P.S. They all have more INTs than Smith, Manning and Favre have less attempts than Alex as well. (as of this morning's stats on NFL.com)

No question in my mind that Troy did enough today to deserve a 2nd look. Besides; if sh*t starts to go sideways and Troy isn't getting it done, Alex is the best option we have coming in off the bench if we need to go to the hurry up in the 2nd half. Nobody else has had enough reps and/or knowledge of the playbook to dig us out of a hole. Troy's job to lose and Alex has to truly prove that he wants it back.

Originally posted by Ang:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by gtowns:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Alex got a Win too and the team that he beat kicked the hell out of the team that Troy Smith just beat.

So I think maybe we should dial back the blind hatred and let's see where we're at. If Sing makes the move then I'll cheer on Troy Smith. If not then I cheer on Alex Smith.

Man, 186 votes and over 3/4 of them in favor of a guy who barely beat a crappy Denver team. Unreal.

~Ceadder

if Alex was playing was playing we would have lost to a crappy team.... Panthers?

Don't be a Tool. #11 was playing pretty decently and got injured on a missed block.

~Ceadder

Seriously, Ceadder?

STOP INCITING!

Apologies Ang. I wasn't calling him one I was just offended by his bad form and lack of common sense and was asking him not to be one. I'll try not to get offended anymore.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by Ang:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by gtowns:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Alex got a Win too and the team that he beat kicked the hell out of the team that Troy Smith just beat.

So I think maybe we should dial back the blind hatred and let's see where we're at. If Sing makes the move then I'll cheer on Troy Smith. If not then I cheer on Alex Smith.

Man, 186 votes and over 3/4 of them in favor of a guy who barely beat a crappy Denver team. Unreal.

~Ceadder

if Alex was playing was playing we would have lost to a crappy team.... Panthers?

Don't be a Tool. #11 was playing pretty decently and got injured on a missed block.

~Ceadder

Seriously, Ceadder?

STOP INCITING!

Apologies Ang. I wasn't calling him one I was just offended by his bad form and lack of common sense and was asking him not to be one. I'll try not to get offended anymore.

~Ceadder

See my upcoming PM before you post ANYTHING ELSE!

Originally posted by NatralBrnThrila:
No question in my mind that Troy did enough today to deserve a 2nd look. Besides; if sh*t starts to go sideways and Troy isn't getting it done, Alex is the best option we have coming in off the bench if we need to go to the hurry up in the 2nd half. Nobody else has had enough reps and/or knowledge of the playbook to dig us out of a hole. Troy's job to lose and Alex has to truly prove that he wants it back.

Did you really just say it's Troy's job to lose? Why is everyone so delusional today? We are still an underachieving team with some below average QB play. However, Alex is the best option we have at QB. To say otherwise is just mad.

Also, I'm not even completely sold on Troy as the number 2. Carr came out last week with the handcuffs on and looked terrible. As did Troy today, he looked better in the 2nd half.(stats a little skewed with that bomb to Walker) Carr was at the very least an average QB who never got a fair shake and he won't get it here either.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Denver's D is atrocious so I'm not jumping on the Troy Trolley

At the same time, our play-calling was even more atrocious. Troy should have been given more chances to throw. Denver's defense wasn't an advantage for Troy due to the off-setting disadvantage of having our play-calling.

If you're gonna make excuses, make them both ways.

Maybe you should take your own advice. Considering the play calling all season long has put our QBs' in a position of having to play catchup regardless of the points put on the board in the first half.

But I forgot it's all on #11. Get real.

~Ceadder

Give me a break. I don't want to get into much of an argument with you because you'll go snitching to the mods when you can't take what's being said, but you're not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree if you think Alex Smith's play-calling was EVER as bad as Troy Smith's was today. Once Mike Johnson came in, Alex was getting good plays called. Today was probably Singletary's doing, but it was the most vanilla gameplan in years - worse than anything Jimmy Raye ever did.

First off I don't snitch to the Mods. I'll call you out right here if I get offended and you know this. If I do report people they deserve to be reported. In the last 3 years I may have reported 2 people. In fact I generally end up working off a pretty big warning every season. Last year I was up to 75%. Now I'm working off 30% if thing don't get out of hand. lol

And yes Smith's play calling was worse than Troy's was today. In fact it was markedly worse in the Seattle game and the KC game.

When it was good was when Smith was in 2 minute and calling his OWN plays. Sing needs to let the guy just call his own plays. I'm not saying that he'll succeed but it's better than what we're getting now. And it shouldn't be worse. If it is then make the change and go back to calling the stupid plays that we got in the 1st 7 weeks.

The plays were called the way they were today cause Sing didn't know what he has in Troy Smith and rather than let the kid make mistakes(he did anyway but got lucky, thankfully so) Johnson called on Frank a lot against a team that has the worst Run Defense in the League. So much so that the Raiders dropped 59 points on them. I didn't agree with all the touches given to Frank today but you have to admit when you have a question mark at the QB position with a 4th year player who has only 2 touches to his name you take precautions and call a safe game. Unfortunately safe games cost us Games. No other team loses games by doing the correct thing. But we do.

~Ceadder

Hopefully Alex never starts again.

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Denver's D is atrocious so I'm not jumping on the Troy Trolley

At the same time, our play-calling was even more atrocious. Troy should have been given more chances to throw. Denver's defense wasn't an advantage for Troy due to the off-setting disadvantage of having our play-calling.

If you're gonna make excuses, make them both ways.

Maybe you should take your own advice. Considering the play calling all season long has put our QBs' in a position of having to play catchup regardless of the points put on the board in the first half.

But I forgot it's all on #11. Get real.

~Ceadder

Give me a break. I don't want to get into much of an argument with you because you'll go snitching to the mods when you can't take what's being said, but you're not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree if you think Alex Smith's play-calling was EVER as bad as Troy Smith's was today. Once Mike Johnson came in, Alex was getting good plays called. Today was probably Singletary's doing, but it was the most vanilla gameplan in years - worse than anything Jimmy Raye ever did.

First off I don't snitch to the Mods. I'll call you out right here if I get offended and you know this. If I do report people they deserve to be reported. In the last 3 years I may have reported 2 people. In fact I generally end up working off a pretty big warning every season. Last year I was up to 75%. Now I'm working off 30% if thing don't get out of hand. lol

And yes Smith's play calling was worse than Troy's was today. In fact it was markedly worse in the Seattle game and the KC game.

When it was good was when Smith was in 2 minute and calling his OWN plays. Sing needs to let the guy just call his own plays. I'm not saying that he'll succeed but it's better than what we're getting now. And it shouldn't be worse. If it is then make the change and go back to calling the stupid plays that we got in the 1st 7 weeks.

The plays were called the way they were today cause Sing didn't know what he has in Troy Smith and rather than let the kid make mistakes(he did anyway but got lucky, thankfully so) Johnson called on Frank a lot against a team that has the worst Run Defense in the League. So much so that the Raiders dropped 59 points on them. I didn't agree with all the touches given to Frank today but you have to admit when you have a question mark at the QB position with a 4th year player who has only 2 touches to his name you take precautions and call a safe game. Unfortunately safe games cost us Games. No other team loses games by doing the correct thing. But we do.

~Ceadder

^^^I think you better re-check that and read your PMs.

Troy seems more accurate, more decisive and his legs offset some of the o-line's ineptness... easy choice. NEXT!

21% of the zone still on Alex's nuts, unreal. What is wrong with you people? Do you want another 6 years of sucking? The team needs a change at QB, even if Troy Smith isn't the long term answer. Troy played pretty decent, and you still want Alex back? I guess you enjoy your team stinking up the place week after week.

Originally posted by Peanut49:

Originally posted by NatralBrnThrila:
No question in my mind that Troy did enough today to deserve a 2nd look. Besides; if sh*t starts to go sideways and Troy isn't getting it done, Alex is the best option we have coming in off the bench if we need to go to the hurry up in the 2nd half. Nobody else has had enough reps and/or knowledge of the playbook to dig us out of a hole. Troy's job to lose and Alex has to truly prove that he wants it back.

Did you really just say it's Troy's job to lose? Why is everyone so delusional today? We are still an underachieving team with some below average QB play. However, Alex is the best option we have at QB. To say otherwise is just mad.

Also, I'm not even completely sold on Troy as the number 2. Carr came out last week with the handcuffs on and looked terrible. As did Troy today, he looked better in the 2nd half.(stats a little skewed with that bomb to Walker) Carr was at the very least an average QB who never got a fair shake and he won't get it here either.

The team pulled out an unlikely win today and Troy battled all the way to the end. He got lucky as hell twice today, but he really, really went out and competed under not ideal circumstances. That makes it his job for at least 1 more week IMHO. Alex more than likely won't be here next year and someone else deserves a look. I've supported Alex just as much as anybody in the past (except Ceaddar),but it is the way it is.

Alex might be the best QB on our roster, but the fact that he'll be coming off of an injury and the W today should keep em on the bench for at least a half.

You're right; Carr never got a fair shake here and he probably never will. There's a reason for that; he absolutely, positively is the worst QB on our roster and he looked like it in pre season, in Carolina and really, really looked like it in Houston. Average my balls; if Alex is captain check down, Carr's the Archduke of dook...and he throws like Uncle Rico and I don't like his megatron helmet

Originally posted by BobS:
21% of the zone still on Alex's nuts, unreal. What is wrong with you people? Do you want another 6 years of sucking? The team needs a change at QB, even if Troy Smith isn't the long term answer. Troy played pretty decent, and you still want Alex back? I guess you enjoy your team stinking up the place week after week.

Why is it so imprtant for you to need everyone to agree with your point of view?

Originally posted by susweel:
Hopefully Alex never starts again.

i don't hate alex personally it's just time to move on

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by susweel:
Hopefully Alex never starts again.

i don't hate alex personally it's just time to move on

I don't hate personallyeither because I don't know him personally.

Normally you shouldn't lose your job because of injury, but if T. Smith turns out to be the better player over a period of several games, then you have a new incumbent and you have to leave him in there, now his job to lose.

You also have to bring up Davis as Sing's evaluation of the QBs has proven to be about opposite of reality. Carr should just be released. Actually, I feel sorry for him because evidently he wasn't allowed to practice with the team and was thrown in cold, without any chance of success.

Smith should be traded at the end of the year just to save his sanity. He would be better and better off on many other teams.

If the Niners do only wing a couple of games and get the first pick, then Luck is pretty clearly a great QB and a no-brainer. Otherwise, it looks like T.Smith and possibly Davis would make a decent 1-2 for next year and that is better than getting some random hope-he-works-out QB.