What if Alex Smith was drafted by Andy Reid?

Originally posted by carlgo:
Smith would have been better if he had been brought up to a perfect environment.

If he went to almost any other team now he would be better than he has been here.

But, "better" is really just sort of ok. His touch, his accuracy, the quickness of release, the intuition is not up with the best of them. He would have been sort of average and some guy would have come along and dethroned him after a couple of years and he would have a career as an often-traded backup.

Here, nobody was allowed to compete with him, one of the strangest things in the history of the game. If there had been open and honest competition here, Smith probably would have be replaced some time ago.

Actually, the no-competition thing is so awful that I feel sorry for Smith. That bonehead idea wasn't his fault and makes him look really bad. I don't buy into any idea that he is mentally weak or any of that garbage, just that he isn't the savior type.

Smith at the top of his game is just as good as any QB. We've seen it every year he has played but just in some games or bits of games. It's the consistency that Smith haters don't like. Smith has the ceiling to be a very good NFL QB. It is a question whether that will ever happen.

Originally posted by taney71:

Originally posted by carlgo:
Smith would have been better if he had been brought up to a perfect environment.

If he went to almost any other team now he would be better than he has been here.

But, "better" is really just sort of ok. His touch, his accuracy, the quickness of release, the intuition is not up with the best of them. He would have been sort of average and some guy would have come along and dethroned him after a couple of years and he would have a career as an often-traded backup.

Here, nobody was allowed to compete with him, one of the strangest things in the history of the game. If there had been open and honest competition here, Smith probably would have be replaced some time ago.

Actually, the no-competition thing is so awful that I feel sorry for Smith. That bonehead idea wasn't his fault and makes him look really bad. I don't buy into any idea that he is mentally weak or any of that garbage, just that he isn't the savior type.

Smith at the top of his game is just as good as any QB. We've seen it every year he has played but just in some games or bits of games. It's the consistency that Smith haters don't like. Smith has the ceiling to be a very good NFL QB. It is a question whether that will ever happen.

Not just the haters, but even the people that agree that he can play as good as any QB. I have seen him play at top level, but I have also seen bonehead mistakes. I think if he had been developed in a stable organization instead of this circus the Niners have become, he would be a more consistent player. It takes consistency to breed consistency.

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.

You have a fallacy in your logic. You are assuming that because Rodgers was groomed behind a future HOF and with staffing/system continuity, that he was therefore successful - when you cannot prove that he would not have been very successful coming straight out of the chute like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and many others.

Smith would have laid eggs no matter the circumstances. He doesn't have leadership, instinct, or accuracy. Every one of those in and of themselves is a fatal flaw for a QB. Smith has managed to fail at all three. You could put him behind Montana for 5 years and still not see better results. Most notable is that leadership and instinct cannot be taught, and accuracy is damn hard to coach in someone who just doesn't have it.

I see this a lot in my psych wards. Its called denial........when you dont have answers, you just laugh it off.........


He's right. I think you guys overrate what Favre's tutelage did for Rodgers. If anything, what did Alex do the 2 years he sat on the bench and had an opportunity to learn from others ? Pretty much nothing....

wow, that is an incredible "counter-point" that I never thought. LOL, that dismisses every argument people have regarding Rodgers having the advantage for getting to ride the pine for 2 years and just observe. For that matter, Smith got to ride the pine with more real insight to NFL Quarterbacking than Rodgers did, giving Smith the advantage.

Like I said, Smith lacks Accuracy, Instinct, and Leadership, at least two of which cannot be taught/coached, and all three of which are fatal flaws for an NFL QB.

in Smiths defense, rodgers sat behind brett favre(future HOF) and had one system. while smith sat behind guys like, trent dilfer(lucky SOB to have a ring), JT o'sullivan(sucks) and shaun hill(average at best) while having new OC every year till this year. im not making excuses for smith but consistancy and a great player to learn from had to help rodgers a little

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.

You have a fallacy in your logic. You are assuming that because Rodgers was groomed behind a future HOF and with staffing/system continuity, that he was therefore successful - when you cannot prove that he would not have been very successful coming straight out of the chute like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and many others.

Smith would have laid eggs no matter the circumstances. He doesn't have leadership, instinct, or accuracy. Every one of those in and of themselves is a fatal flaw for a QB. Smith has managed to fail at all three. You could put him behind Montana for 5 years and still not see better results. Most notable is that leadership and instinct cannot be taught, and accuracy is damn hard to coach in someone who just doesn't have it.

I see this a lot in my psych wards. Its called denial........when you dont have answers, you just laugh it off.........


He's right. I think you guys overrate what Favre's tutelage did for Rodgers. If anything, what did Alex do the 2 years he sat on the bench and had an opportunity to learn from others ? Pretty much nothing....

wow, that is an incredible "counter-point" that I never thought. LOL, that dismisses every argument people have regarding Rodgers having the advantage for getting to ride the pine for 2 years and just observe. For that matter, Smith got to ride the pine with more real insight to NFL Quarterbacking than Rodgers did, giving Smith the advantage.

WOW! You are just wrong, my friend. At NO TIME that Smith has been on the 49ers has he had ANYTHING even close to the quality of coaching that Rodgers has had the entire time he has been at GB. The best thing he had was Trent Dilfer, a guy who wasn't good enough at it to even get a sniff from any other team. He can't get a coaching job from anyone, even now.

Time spent on the bench is of no value unless there is coaching available that can actually teach.

Originally posted by carlgo:
Smith would have been better if he had been brought up to a perfect environment.

If he went to almost any other team now he would be better than he has been here.

But, "better" is really just sort of ok. His touch, his accuracy, the quickness of release, the intuition is not up with the best of them. He would have been sort of average and some guy would have come along and dethroned him after a couple of years and he would have a career as an often-traded backup.

Here, nobody was allowed to compete with him, one of the strangest things in the history of the game. If there had been open and honest competition here, Smith probably would have be replaced some time ago.

Actually, the no-competition thing is so awful that I feel sorry for Smith. That bonehead idea wasn't his fault and makes him look really bad. I don't buy into any idea that he is mentally weak or any of that garbage, just that he isn't the savior type.

Given an average environment, I believe Smith could have a career on roughly the same level as Joe Flacco and Carson Palmer (post injury), or perhaps a bit better.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by taney71:

Originally posted by carlgo:
Smith would have been better if he had been brought up to a perfect environment.

If he went to almost any other team now he would be better than he has been here.

But, "better" is really just sort of ok. His touch, his accuracy, the quickness of release, the intuition is not up with the best of them. He would have been sort of average and some guy would have come along and dethroned him after a couple of years and he would have a career as an often-traded backup.

Here, nobody was allowed to compete with him, one of the strangest things in the history of the game. If there had been open and honest competition here, Smith probably would have be replaced some time ago.

Actually, the no-competition thing is so awful that I feel sorry for Smith. That bonehead idea wasn't his fault and makes him look really bad. I don't buy into any idea that he is mentally weak or any of that garbage, just that he isn't the savior type.

Smith at the top of his game is just as good as any QB. We've seen it every year he has played but just in some games or bits of games. It's the consistency that Smith haters don't like. Smith has the ceiling to be a very good NFL QB. It is a question whether that will ever happen.

Not just the haters, but even the people that agree that he can play as good as any QB. I have seen him play at top level, but I have also seen bonehead mistakes. I think if he had been developed in a stable organization instead of this circus the Niners have become, he would be a more consistent player. It takes consistency to breed consistency.

Good point. The worse part of all this is that the 9ers more than likely screwed themselves in messing up the development of Alex Smith and as result are going to be in the same position they were in 8 years ago.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.

You have a fallacy in your logic. You are assuming that because Rodgers was groomed behind a future HOF and with staffing/system continuity, that he was therefore successful - when you cannot prove that he would not have been very successful coming straight out of the chute like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and many others.

Smith would have laid eggs no matter the circumstances. He doesn't have leadership, instinct, or accuracy. Every one of those in and of themselves is a fatal flaw for a QB. Smith has managed to fail at all three. You could put him behind Montana for 5 years and still not see better results. Most notable is that leadership and instinct cannot be taught, and accuracy is damn hard to coach in someone who just doesn't have it.

I see this a lot in my psych wards. Its called denial........when you dont have answers, you just laugh it off.........


He's right. I think you guys overrate what Favre's tutelage did for Rodgers. If anything, what did Alex do the 2 years he sat on the bench and had an opportunity to learn from others ? Pretty much nothing....

wow, that is an incredible "counter-point" that I never thought. LOL, that dismisses every argument people have regarding Rodgers having the advantage for getting to ride the pine for 2 years and just observe. For that matter, Smith got to ride the pine with more real insight to NFL Quarterbacking than Rodgers did, giving Smith the advantage.

WOW! You are just wrong, my friend. At NO TIME that Smith has been on the 49ers has he had ANYTHING even close to the quality of coaching that Rodgers has had the entire time he has been at GB. The best thing he had was Trent Dilfer, a guy who wasn't good enough at it to even get a sniff from any other team. He can't get a coaching job from anyone, even now.

Time spent on the bench is of no value unless there is coaching available that can actually teach.

You're trying to compare Trent Dilfer and Brett Favre the PLAYERS. What we should really look at is Trent Dilfer and Brett Favre the MENTORS. In that respect, Dilfer probably had a lot more to offer to Smith than Favre did to Rodgers. Remember, Favre has always been a selfish in that he looks out for himself above all others. Thats why he's always willing to keep teams hanging til the final moments until he announces his return.

Alex Smith, despite not watching a HOF.........still has the chance to learn from a Superbowl Champion quarterback. No one says he had to learn the offensive system, but that was the time to learn the intricacies of the position eg reading defenses, pocket presence, instinct, anticipation.

He didnt.

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.

You have a fallacy in your logic. You are assuming that because Rodgers was groomed behind a future HOF and with staffing/system continuity, that he was therefore successful - when you cannot prove that he would not have been very successful coming straight out of the chute like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and many others.

Smith would have laid eggs no matter the circumstances. He doesn't have leadership, instinct, or accuracy. Every one of those in and of themselves is a fatal flaw for a QB. Smith has managed to fail at all three. You could put him behind Montana for 5 years and still not see better results. Most notable is that leadership and instinct cannot be taught, and accuracy is damn hard to coach in someone who just doesn't have it.

I see this a lot in my psych wards. Its called denial........when you dont have answers, you just laugh it off.........


He's right. I think you guys overrate what Favre's tutelage did for Rodgers. If anything, what did Alex do the 2 years he sat on the bench and had an opportunity to learn from others ? Pretty much nothing....

wow, that is an incredible "counter-point" that I never thought. LOL, that dismisses every argument people have regarding Rodgers having the advantage for getting to ride the pine for 2 years and just observe. For that matter, Smith got to ride the pine with more real insight to NFL Quarterbacking than Rodgers did, giving Smith the advantage.

WOW! You are just wrong, my friend. At NO TIME that Smith has been on the 49ers has he had ANYTHING even close to the quality of coaching that Rodgers has had the entire time he has been at GB. The best thing he had was Trent Dilfer, a guy who wasn't good enough at it to even get a sniff from any other team. He can't get a coaching job from anyone, even now.

Time spent on the bench is of no value unless there is coaching available that can actually teach.

You're trying to compare Trent Dilfer and Brett Favre the PLAYERS. What we should really look at is Trent Dilfer and Brett Favre the MENTORS. In that respect, Dilfer probably had a lot more to offer to Smith than Favre did to Rodgers. Remember, Favre has always been a selfish in that he looks out for himself above all others. Thats why he's always willing to keep teams hanging til the final moments until he announces his return.

Alex Smith, despite not watching a HOF.........still has the chance to learn from a Superbowl Champion quarterback. No one says he had to learn the offensive system, but that was the time to learn the intricacies of the position eg reading defenses, pocket presence, instinct, anticipation.

He didnt.

Did you just try to say that watching Dilfer would be a bigger advantage than watching Favre?

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

~Ceadder

Nothing would have changed. Alex Smith isn't a good QB, INHERENTLY.

All QBs are not created equal, but the Smith homers would have you believe so in an attempt to defend the piss poor play he's put out as a member of the team.

If QBs were all equal, then why would you even care about scouting? LOL, why not just bring in the guy with the strongest arm and best athleticism every time? Why? Because that makes no f**king sense!

Some guys know how to play QB and some don't.

Smith is the same as every other #1 overall bust...plain and simple, he couldn't get it done.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Nothing would have changed. Alex Smith isn't a good QB, INHERENTLY.

All QBs are not created equal, but the Smith homers would have you believe so in an attempt to defend the piss poor play he's put out as a member of the team.

If QBs were all equal, then why would you even care about scouting? LOL, why not just bring in the guy with the strongest arm and best athleticism every time? Why? Because that makes no f**king sense!

Some guys know how to play QB and some don't.

Smith is the same as every other #1 overall bust...plain and simple, he couldn't get it done.

Stop being mean you big poop face.

Not saying you're wrong, though.

Not saying I think it'll happen or anything, but what would you guys with such strong opinions on the subject do if Smith went to another team and learnt to throw teh football?

If I were you, judging from your posts, my head might explode.

My advice? Realize that none of us knows everything and crazy s**t happens in the NFL every week. It might save you some pain in the long run.

Sometimes it's best to just let time prove your point for you. Certainly saves time typing.

He'd be the starting QB, replacing McNabb this year.

In other words, he'd be Kevin Kolb.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
He'd be the starting QB, replacing McNabb this year.

In other words, he'd be Kevin Kolb.

What would happen to the real Kevin Kolb? Poor guy.

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Nothing would have changed. Alex Smith isn't a good QB, INHERENTLY.

All QBs are not created equal, but the Smith homers would have you believe so in an attempt to defend the piss poor play he's put out as a member of the team.

If QBs were all equal, then why would you even care about scouting? LOL, why not just bring in the guy with the strongest arm and best athleticism every time? Why? Because that makes no f**king sense!

Some guys know how to play QB and some don't.

Smith is the same as every other #1 overall bust...plain and simple, he couldn't get it done.

Stop being mean you big poop face.

Not saying you're wrong, though.

Not saying I think it'll happen or anything, but what would you guys with such strong opinions on the subject do if Smith went to another team and learnt to throw teh football?

If I were you, judging from your posts, my head might explode.

My advice? Realize that none of us knows everything and crazy s**t happens in the NFL every week. It might save you some pain in the long run.

Sometimes it's best to just let time prove your point for you. Certainly saves time typing.

I don't even hate Smith. I root for him on the field...I just don't think he is/was any good.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
He'd be the starting QB, replacing McNabb this year.

In other words, he'd be Kevin Kolb.

LOL.