Spikes speaks out about reduced role

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Bowman has been the cause of AT LEAST 4, 3rd and long conversions. Spikes would of made the stop.

Can I use your alternate universe machine when you're done?

I am going to say the same thing I have been saying for 8 years. You can only talk up a loser so much. Every single 49er over the last 8 years all have one thing in common. None of them helped lead the team to victory. That goes for Gore, that goes for Willis, that goes for Vernon....EVERYBODY is replaceable.

If you want to keep your job....help your f**king team win more games than they lose. SIMPLE.

If you are a real 49er fan, you should be happy to see out with the old and in with the new. Until you find the combo that actually works.......keep playing jazz with the lineup and keep thinking ahead.

The youngsters increased playing time is one of the few things I support Sing on, yet something tells me he is being told to do so.

Originally posted by danimal:
I am going to say the same thing I have been saying for 8 years. You can only talk up a loser so much. Every single 49er over the last 8 years all have one thing in common. None of them helped lead the team to victory. That goes for Gore, that goes for Willis, that goes for Vernon....EVERYBODY is replaceable.

If you want to keep your job....help your f**king team win more games than they lose. SIMPLE.

If you are a real 49er fan, you should be happy to see out with the old and in with the new. Until you find the combo that actually works.......keep playing jazz with the lineup and keep thinking ahead.

The youngsters increased playing time is one of the few things I support Sing on, yet something tells me he is being told to do so.

I agree with you, to me nobody on the roster is untouchable. I would trade any player on the team for the right price.

Originally posted by danimal:
I am going to say the same thing I have been saying for 8 years. You can only talk up a loser so much. Every single 49er over the last 8 years all have one thing in common. None of them helped lead the team to victory. That goes for Gore, that goes for Willis, that goes for Vernon....EVERYBODY is replaceable.

If you want to keep your job....help your f**king team win more games than they lose. SIMPLE.

If you are a real 49er fan, you should be happy to see out with the old and in with the new. Until you find the combo that actually works.......keep playing jazz with the lineup and keep thinking ahead.

The youngsters increased playing time is one of the few things I support Sing on, yet something tells me he is being told to do so.

No, I think there is a lot to build on with this team. We switch to a 4-3 and we are money.

The Yorks thought about doing this with our "losing" during the Mooch era. In our current case, we don't need to over haul the talent, we need to over haul the leadership:

1. GM
2. Coach
3. QB

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Bowman seems like a punk to me. Spikes is a class act. Whats the rush to get Bowman in the line up anyway? He was a 3rd round pick. Usually guys like that are on the Niner's 5 year development plan.

You're not alone in thinking he's a punk. It seems like hardly a play goes by without Bowman jawing at the ref. Not real smart, rookie.

Also, good point about the development plan. I'd wager that Bowman might be Sing's pet project, hence the accelerated schedule.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:
I am going to say the same thing I have been saying for 8 years. You can only talk up a loser so much. Every single 49er over the last 8 years all have one thing in common. None of them helped lead the team to victory. That goes for Gore, that goes for Willis, that goes for Vernon....EVERYBODY is replaceable.

If you want to keep your job....help your f**king team win more games than they lose. SIMPLE.

If you are a real 49er fan, you should be happy to see out with the old and in with the new. Until you find the combo that actually works.......keep playing jazz with the lineup and keep thinking ahead.

The youngsters increased playing time is one of the few things I support Sing on, yet something tells me he is being told to do so.

No, I think there is a lot to build on with this team. We switch to a 4-3 and we are money.

The Yorks thought about doing this with our "losing" during the Mooch era. In our current case, we don't need to over haul the talent, we need to over haul the leadership:

1. GM
2. Coach
3. QB

But take what I am saying into the context of Takeo Spikes. I loved Takeo Spikes as much as the next Niner fan, but I don't see him in our future. So f**k his feelings and any other bubble player on the team. Everyone helped become a 1-6 team, everyone.

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Bowman seems like a punk to me. Spikes is a class act. Whats the rush to get Bowman in the line up anyway? He was a 3rd round pick. Usually guys like that are on the Niner's 5 year development plan.

You're not alone in thinking he's a punk. It seems like hardly a play goes by without Bowman jawing at the ref. Not real smart, rookie.

Also, good point about the development plan. I'd wager that Bowman might be Sing's pet project, hence the accelerated schedule.

Bowman sucks I remember on the Carolina games has a lot of miss tackles and blown coverage. One of the most crucial third down play vs. Carolina was Bowmans fault.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
What a mess this team is

So true.

Although I can't fault Spikes for what he is saying. At this point, I believe Spikes helps the team more than Bowman does. Bowman just doesn't seem to be ready for a starting role.

-9fA

Originally posted by nothing03:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Bowman seems like a punk to me. Spikes is a class act. Whats the rush to get Bowman in the line up anyway? He was a 3rd round pick. Usually guys like that are on the Niner's 5 year development plan.

You're not alone in thinking he's a punk. It seems like hardly a play goes by without Bowman jawing at the ref. Not real smart, rookie.

Also, good point about the development plan. I'd wager that Bowman might be Sing's pet project, hence the accelerated schedule.

Bowman sucks I remember on the Carolina games has a lot of miss tackles and blown coverage. One of the most crucial third down play vs. Carolina was Bowmans fault.

Remember I am the negative poster around here. But why don't you think about it this way.

Why not chalk it up to rookie mistakes and a learning curve and assume he is going to improve. What would you rather have.....Bowman being one of the root causes to a loss in 2010 becoming 1-6...OR Bowman being one of the root causes to a loss in 2011 becoming 3-4??? So would you rather have Spikes help 2010 Niners be 2-5 or possible Bowman helping 2011 Niners be 4-3 or 5-2 or something???

The basic concept is to have as many of your 22 starters playing their best ball at the same time. This obviously was not the case in 2010, but it still can be in 2011.

This concept is one that is generally lost on most fans, because all most fans care about is "this season"....even when this season is already a lost cause.

Originally posted by nothing03:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Bowman seems like a punk to me. Spikes is a class act. Whats the rush to get Bowman in the line up anyway? He was a 3rd round pick. Usually guys like that are on the Niner's 5 year development plan.

You're not alone in thinking he's a punk. It seems like hardly a play goes by without Bowman jawing at the ref. Not real smart, rookie.

Also, good point about the development plan. I'd wager that Bowman might be Sing's pet project, hence the accelerated schedule.

[b]Bowman sucks I remember on the Carolina games has a lot of miss tackles and blown coverage. One of the most crucial third down play vs. Carolina was Bowmans fault.[/quote][/b]

I dont know if he sucks, but he is definitly a rookie making rookie mistakes. I almost lost my voice screaming at the tv for the reason you just stated.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by nothing03:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Bowman seems like a punk to me. Spikes is a class act. Whats the rush to get Bowman in the line up anyway? He was a 3rd round pick. Usually guys like that are on the Niner's 5 year development plan.

You're not alone in thinking he's a punk. It seems like hardly a play goes by without Bowman jawing at the ref. Not real smart, rookie.

Also, good point about the development plan. I'd wager that Bowman might be Sing's pet project, hence the accelerated schedule.

Bowman sucks I remember on the Carolina games has a lot of miss tackles and blown coverage. One of the most crucial third down play vs. Carolina was Bowmans fault.

Remember I am the negative poster around here. But why don't you think about it this way.

Why not chalk it up to rookie mistakes and a learning curve and assume he is going to improve. What would you rather have.....Bowman being one of the root causes to a loss in 2010 becoming 1-6...OR Bowman being one of the root causes to a loss in 2011 becoming 3-4??? So would you rather have Spikes help 2010 Niners be 2-5 or possible Bowman helping 2011 Niners be 4-3 or 5-2 or something???

The basic concept is to have as many of your 22 starters playing their best ball at the same time. This obviously was not the case in 2010, but it still can be in 2011.

This concept is one that is generally lost on most fans, because all most fans care about is "this season"....even when this season is already a lost cause.

I get what your saying but I also think that they have thrown in rookies a little bit too fast. We were 1-5 at Carolina with a some what of a delusional chance at making a playoff run, never the less we still had a chance. I would have played all the vets at least until half the season.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by nothing03:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Bowman seems like a punk to me. Spikes is a class act. Whats the rush to get Bowman in the line up anyway? He was a 3rd round pick. Usually guys like that are on the Niner's 5 year development plan.

You're not alone in thinking he's a punk. It seems like hardly a play goes by without Bowman jawing at the ref. Not real smart, rookie.

Also, good point about the development plan. I'd wager that Bowman might be Sing's pet project, hence the accelerated schedule.

Bowman sucks I remember on the Carolina games has a lot of miss tackles and blown coverage. One of the most crucial third down play vs. Carolina was Bowmans fault.

Remember I am the negative poster around here. But why don't you think about it this way.

Why not chalk it up to rookie mistakes and a learning curve and assume he is going to improve. What would you rather have.....Bowman being one of the root causes to a loss in 2010 becoming 1-6...OR Bowman being one of the root causes to a loss in 2011 becoming 3-4??? So would you rather have Spikes help 2010 Niners be 2-5 or possible Bowman helping 2011 Niners be 4-3 or 5-2 or something???
The basic concept is to have as many of your 22 starters playing their best ball at the same time. This obviously was not the case in 2010, but it still can be in 2011.

This concept is one that is generally lost on most fans, because all most fans care about is "this season"....even when this season is already a lost cause.

Sorry man, but that logic is flawed. When your 1-5 with game in hand you dont put in the rookie over the wiley (very capable) vet. There is a significant diffrence between 2-5 and 1-6 at least from a morale stand point. Secondly, I dont think that he needs to be playing every critical snap now in order to be better in 2011. We should work him in slowly, like on non-critical plays and drives. And above all else, he needs to prove he deserves to be on the field.

P.S. Most of us have spent the better part of this decade looking to "next season", we are over it. At some point you have to live in the hear and now.

Sh*t like this tells me that this team will go nowhere as a team until we either get a new HC (Gruden or Cowher would be the greatest thing ever), or Singletary shelves his ego, and we all know that will never happen so..........who do we bring in to coach next? You don't keep your veterans and playmakers on the bench at critical times when you're getting your teeth kicked in every week. Anyway, if we did fire Singletary, these chuckleheads would just promote Johnson to HC instead of bringing in a quality HC!

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by nothing03:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Bowman seems like a punk to me. Spikes is a class act. Whats the rush to get Bowman in the line up anyway? He was a 3rd round pick. Usually guys like that are on the Niner's 5 year development plan.

You're not alone in thinking he's a punk. It seems like hardly a play goes by without Bowman jawing at the ref. Not real smart, rookie.

Also, good point about the development plan. I'd wager that Bowman might be Sing's pet project, hence the accelerated schedule.

Bowman sucks I remember on the Carolina games has a lot of miss tackles and blown coverage. One of the most crucial third down play vs. Carolina was Bowmans fault.

Remember I am the negative poster around here. But why don't you think about it this way.

Why not chalk it up to rookie mistakes and a learning curve and assume he is going to improve. What would you rather have.....Bowman being one of the root causes to a loss in 2010 becoming 1-6...OR Bowman being one of the root causes to a loss in 2011 becoming 3-4??? So would you rather have Spikes help 2010 Niners be 2-5 or possible Bowman helping 2011 Niners be 4-3 or 5-2 or something???

The basic concept is to have as many of your 22 starters playing their best ball at the same time. This obviously was not the case in 2010, but it still can be in 2011.

This concept is one that is generally lost on most fans, because all most fans care about is "this season"....even when this season is already a lost cause.

I get what your saying but I also think that they have thrown in rookies a little bit too fast. We were 1-5 at Carolina with a some what of a delusional chance at making a playoff run, never the less we still had a chance. I would have played all the vets at least until half the season.

That brings up a great question that I always had. Whats the proper thing to do? Wait until mathematical elimination or wait until the probablilities reach a certain level. I am more of a probabilities guy myself, cus a lot of really bad teams don't get eliminated until December.

I am willing to say with enough confidence that this team has no shot at winning a Super Bowl, a one in a billion shot at appearing in a Super Bowl, a very slim shot at winning a playoff game, and a slim shot at winning the division.

IF IF IF, you agree with the above....I would say rookie development should start now and was not premature even earlier. Especially if you really only care about a Super Bowl. I honestly question the motives of a person who just wants this team to win the division at any cost right now.

Originally posted by P-52ENFORCER:
Sh*t like this tells me that this team will go nowhere as a team until we either get a new HC (Gruden or Cowher would be the greatest thing ever), or Singletary shelves his ego, and we all know that will never happen so..........who do we bring in to coach next? Knowing this organization, they fire Singletary and promote Johnson, lol!

I'd rather have My Johnson be head coach than Mike Johnson. In the words of the famous HBO series, The Wire. SSHHHEEEEEEETTTTTT.