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SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS. ST. LOUIS RAMS GAMEDAY THREAD (Week 10)

Originally posted by teeohh:
56 49ers 17 rams



Your freaking insane!!!

I cannot believe you thought... It just sounds so d*** ridiculous, like...


You honestly think the Rams are gonna score that many points on us?

*Takes a step back and thinks about how the season has gone*

Alright fine, no more than 25 pts, but either way, we find a way to win for once.
Originally posted by verb1der:
I hope this team takes heed to what has happened to the NFC West over the weekend, and plays more inspired knowing that IF there will be a "playoff run" it starts this Sunday.



EggSackly what I'm thinking. Better late than never,

but never late is better

We've dug a hole and fell deep in it, but all hope isn't lost yet, maybe there's a way to get out...
Patrick Willis quits acting like a b***h and plays like the best MLB in the game


R.I.P Bradfords shoulder

[ Edited by valrod33 on Nov 10, 2010 at 9:34 AM ]
Originally posted by valrod33:
Patrick Willis quits acting like a b***h and plays like the best MLB in the game


R.I.P Bradfords shoulder


He got some competition.....
Originally posted by 49ersNoKaOi:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Patrick Willis quits acting like a b***h and plays like the best MLB in the game


R.I.P Bradfords shoulder


He got some competition.....

he isnt a MLB^
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by 49ersNoKaOi:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Patrick Willis quits acting like a b***h and plays like the best MLB in the game


R.I.P Bradfords shoulder


He got some competition.....

he isnt a MLB^

My bad, I was talking LB in general.
Originally posted by RealityCheck:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by RealityCheck:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Even as a rookie, Bradford can be dangerous if given time. This game will come down to who ever runs the ball the best and which QB can stay away from throwing picks.

Not exactly. Look at what the game plan against Sanchez was. Teams normally stacked the box and run blitz hoping to pressure Sanchez also and it was that much easier for him to throw to man coverage. This past Sunday, the opponent played coverage and dared the Jets to beat them with the run. Sanchez could not find anyone open and threw INT eventually pressing for completions. Why is it that when we play a great QB, we play bracket coverage yet when we play an inexperienced QB, we don't? Wouldn't that type of defense that works against the greats be even more effective against the not so great?

1. The run game only establishes safety and a shorter game.
2. The run does not put points on the board.
3. Teams that heavily rely on the run cannot be down during the game.
4. Eventually, they will need to pass to score points
5. Force them to make just one or two mistakes passing and end game.

We are a similar team. We don't want to rely on our QB but having done this every game because of our current philosophy puts us in a situation to "have a chance to win at the end of the game".

The problem is that the statement is true, but we are at the bad end of that "close" game. No one realized what that philosophy truly does, which is put a team in a situation to lose the game or play catchup by using a completely different philosophy during the end of the game in order to try and dig itself out.

I think this is why the mistakes happen. We KNOW the game is going to be a close game due to our philosophy and it has been putting us behind which forces us to play and press outside of our "identity" or what we have practiced. This leads to inconsistency. Inconsistency leads to sloppy play. Sloppy play leads to pressing and forcing things, which leads to f**king up.

Damn I hate this philosophy.

That game plan isn't too effective against Bradford. The Rams offense is a ball control offense that relies on the run game and short, safe passing. If you back out of the box, the Rams will run it and dink and dunk down the field all day. The best shot the 49ers have is to try and pressure Sam using confusing blitz schemes while stacking the box to stop Jackson. The Rams don't take a ton of deep shots because we don't have any WRs who have a lot of speed now that Clayton and Avery are done for the year. To me, this is a close game that comes down to whoever makes the least amount of mistakes. The Rams struggle to finish games and tend to shoot ourselves in the foot on the road. It's a very winnable game from either side. The keys to the game are:
St. Louis winning:
-Stop Gore
-Protect Bradford
-Minimize Mistakes
-Finish the game strong

49ers Winning:
-Get Gore rolling
-Protect Troy Smith
-Get after Bradford
-Force Turnovers
-Make Rams play from behind
The Rams are a team that tends to jump out and grab the lead quickly so if the 49ers are within 7 at half or winning, they are in a good position to win the game. Good luck 49ers(even if I hate your team) and hopefully no one suffers bad injuries.

Underneath completions is how we keep getting the ball moved on us against the weaker QB's. Then they get that one or two big plays.

The Rams actually throw the ball a lot so why not make it appear to Bradford that our entire defense is in coverage and play a cover 2 style that handles the dink and dunk. There is a HUGE, and I mean HUGE drop-off from their leading receiver to the second guy. We need to shut off the 1st guy completely.

Our run defense is still strong and the Rams run-game is weak. The primary goal for a team with a young QB IS to force the opponent to bring more in the box so that the QB can throw easier against man coverage.

We need to go with zone coverage with a single safety look. Teams have done this to us for 6 years. They take away the short passing and the run game and force us to go deep. Man coverage against a young QB means the QB isn't required to think as much. We need to force him to think too much and get INTs. We have a better chance at getting INT's in this game than we do sacks, especially against a short passing team that gets the ball out quick.

The flaw in this logic is assuming the Rams run game is weak. It's not, the Rams still have Steven Jackson. You said it yourself, the Rams love quick passing. By dropping out of the box, you open yourself up for the quick passing the Rams want to run. Zone blitzes are probably the best way to get after Bradford and Bradford has really cut down on mistakes of late throwing only 2 ints in the last 4 games(both in garbage time vs. the Lions). To be completely frank, the Rams WRs stink. Amendola, the slot WR, is their best weapon because the guy is great at getting separation on short routes and finding holes in the zone. Behind him, Brandon Gibson is inconsistent catching the ball and doesn't offer much speed, Laurent Robinson just is awful and Mardy Gilyard hasn't contributed much. The Rams will probably focus a lot of targets on Gibson, Amendola and their TEs. Amendola is money on 3rd downs, if the 49ers want to win, they have to focus on taking him away on 3rd downs.

I agree that we should keep 8 in the box but not to stop the run.

1. Focus coverage on the flats which means underneath coverage for the CBs.
2. Play a 4-4-3 but with nickel personnel: This will shut down the flats and underneath stuff if we would still be stout against the run with 4 DL.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
I can't see how we win this game.

On defense:

They are 6th in the league in sacks (23) and allowing an opposing QB rating of 76.3.

Broncos are 29th in the league in sacks (9) and allowing an opposing QB rating of 93.6.

Their defense is 8th against the rush and 6th in points allowed.

On offense:

Bradford has done a good job for a rookie, but they have been very conservative in the passing game. He's only completed three passes that were thrown over 20 yards. Bradford has a rating of 104.4 when throwing behind the line of scrimmage.

We stubbornly continue to play a four deep shell coverage scheme while pinching the front seven to focus on stopping the run. This opens up both the short passing game in the 1 - 10 yard range, it leaves a HUGE void on the perimeter to allow easy check downs and screen passes. This plays directly into their hands.

They just picked up Michael Lewis, who knows our defense as well as anyone.

I are scared. Somebody hold me.


"Tissue?"
[ Edited by ninertico on Nov 10, 2010 at 9:59 AM ]
Matt Maiocco
Asked Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo whether ex-49ers safety Michael Lewis will be in uniform Sunday. "Yeah, there's a good chance of that."


So...there's a "good chance" that the Rams defense will be that much slower. lol
SF_49ers

Singletary said as of now Troy Smith will likely start on Sunday.

MaioccoCSN

QB Troy Smith (1-0) will likely start Sunday's game against Rams at Candlestick Park, 49ers coach Mike Singletary announces.

mattbarrows

Singletary: as of right now it looks like it's going to be Troy.
the thing that upsets me even more is that singletary should know by now theres a very good chance he doesnt come back next yr, so why doesnt he just sit back like he always does and this time let johnson do his thing?? his ways never worked and hes still too stubborn like the coach before him to just go all out and change his ways.
Originally posted by verb1der:
Matt Maiocco
Asked Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo whether ex-49ers safety Michael Lewis will be in uniform Sunday. "Yeah, there's a good chance of that."


So...there's a "good chance" that the Rams defense will be that much slower. lol

And there's also a "good chance" that we won't try to expose any weaknesses that exist for them putting Michael Lewis into the game.
We need to stop allowing players to get onto Divisional teams. Michael Lewis can still contribute and we should have at least traded him for a 7th round pick to a non-divisional team that's not on our schedule.
mattbarrows

Interesting: Singletary said Reggie Smith would get more work in the secondary; said banged up Goldson was "a lot better now."


MaioccoCSN

S Reggie Smith will get more playing time, 49ers coach Mike Singletary says. He did not divulge for whom Smith will see more action.
[ Edited by valrod33 on Nov 10, 2010 at 10:36 AM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
We need to stop allowing players to get onto Divisional teams. Michael Lewis can still contribute and we should have at least traded him for a 7th round pick to a non-divisional team that's not on our schedule.

I think he demanded a release, and I bet there were no takers. He has been available since September, suggesting that he did not draw any interest whatsoever. I would not be surprised if the Lambs release him before season's end.
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