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If we still had Shaun Hill, we'd have won this game

  • ZRF80
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
I heart SD for going at ZRF and I wonder why ZRF never commented on the fact that Carolina's D has actually been above average this year.

Because the Niners defense is ranked number 10 OVERALL (better than Carolina.

Our passing defense only allows 20 yards MORE per game by opposing QBs than Carolina's passing defense, and are ranked number 11 in the league (top 1/3).

Yet, it didnt seem to stop their QB who was btw benched at the start fo the season. So why should we excuse ours for a half-assed performance ?

You mean the QB who threw for over 300 yards against us today ??

Yeah, so if a benched QB can throw for over 300 yards against the number 11 ranked defense which only allows 20 yards MORE per game passing than Carolina's pass defense, then why cant Alex be held accountable for not doing the same against them ?

Mail me the game tapes so I can get a better look at what happened. Your always so quick to pin blame squarely on Alex. You do realize that while it all starts with the QB it takes 44 others guys to help the QB win right ?


Gore ran for over 100 yards. The oline did their part at least part of the time. All this can be applied to Moore as well. Except Alex went 9/19; Moore blew us up. Why cant we hold Smith accountable for an average performance against their D ?
Hell if we still had JT O'Sullivan we probably could of won this game
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Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
I heart SD for going at ZRF and I wonder why ZRF never commented on the fact that Carolina's D has actually been above average this year.

Because the Niners defense is ranked number 10 OVERALL (better than Carolina.

Our passing defense only allows 20 yards MORE per game by opposing QBs than Carolina's passing defense, and are ranked number 11 in the league (top 1/3).

Yet, it didnt seem to stop their QB who was btw benched at the start fo the season. So why should we excuse ours for a half-assed performance ?

You mean the QB who threw for over 300 yards against us today ??

Yeah, so if a benched QB can throw for over 300 yards against the number 11 ranked defense which only allows 20 yards MORE per game passing than Carolina's pass defense, then why cant Alex be held accountable for not doing the same against them ?

Mail me the game tapes so I can get a better look at what happened. Your always so quick to pin blame squarely on Alex. You do realize that while it all starts with the QB it takes 44 others guys to help the QB win right ?


Gore ran for over 100 yards. The oline did their part at least part of the time. All this can be applied to Moore as well. Except Alex went 9/19; Moore blew us up. Why cant we hold Smith accountable for an average performance against their D ?

I ran the stats on excel. The average QB performance against Carolina going into this game was 83.6. Smith was 87.6, which is very close (considering the standard deviation was 18.2). He played average.
  • ZRF80
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Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
I heart SD for going at ZRF and I wonder why ZRF never commented on the fact that Carolina's D has actually been above average this year.

Because the Niners defense is ranked number 10 OVERALL (better than Carolina.

Our passing defense only allows 20 yards MORE per game by opposing QBs than Carolina's passing defense, and are ranked number 11 in the league (top 1/3).

Yet, it didnt seem to stop their QB who was btw benched at the start fo the season. So why should we excuse ours for a half-assed performance ?

You mean the QB who threw for over 300 yards against us today ??

Yeah, so if a benched QB can throw for over 300 yards against the number 11 ranked defense which only allows 20 yards MORE per game passing than Carolina's pass defense, then why cant Alex be held accountable for not doing the same against them ?

Mail me the game tapes so I can get a better look at what happened. Your always so quick to pin blame squarely on Alex. You do realize that while it all starts with the QB it takes 44 others guys to help the QB win right ?


Gore ran for over 100 yards. The oline did their part at least part of the time. All this can be applied to Moore as well. Except Alex went 9/19; Moore blew us up. Why cant we hold Smith accountable for an average performance against their D ?

I ran the stats on excel. The average QB performance against Carolina going into this game was 83.6. Smith was 87.6, which is very close (considering the standard deviation was 18.2). He played average.

Again, comparisons are being made with Carr. In previous games, SMith was being compared to himself from previous years. No one wants to compare him to good NFL QBs......
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
I heart SD for going at ZRF and I wonder why ZRF never commented on the fact that Carolina's D has actually been above average this year.

Because the Niners defense is ranked number 10 OVERALL (better than Carolina.

Our passing defense only allows 20 yards MORE per game by opposing QBs than Carolina's passing defense, and are ranked number 11 in the league (top 1/3).

Yet, it didnt seem to stop their QB who was btw benched at the start fo the season. So why should we excuse ours for a half-assed performance ?

You mean the QB who threw for over 300 yards against us today ??

Yeah, so if a benched QB can throw for over 300 yards against the number 11 ranked defense which only allows 20 yards MORE per game passing than Carolina's pass defense, then why cant Alex be held accountable for not doing the same against them ?

Mail me the game tapes so I can get a better look at what happened. Your always so quick to pin blame squarely on Alex. You do realize that while it all starts with the QB it takes 44 others guys to help the QB win right ?


Gore ran for over 100 yards. The oline did their part at least part of the time. All this can be applied to Moore as well. Except Alex went 9/19; Moore blew us up. Why cant we hold Smith accountable for an average performance against their D ?

I ran the stats on excel. The average QB performance against Carolina going into this game was 83.6. Smith was 87.6, which is very close (considering the standard deviation was 18.2). He played average.

Again, comparisons are being made with Carr. In previous games, SMith was being compared to himself from previous years. No one wants to compare him to good NFL QBs......

That's because he's not comparable to good NFL QBs.

Look at the teams that are doing well.

NYJ - Mark Sanchez has 9 TDs to 2 INTs.
Indianapolis - do I have to explain Peyton Manning to anyone?
New England - do I have to explain Tom Brady to anyone?
Pittsburgh - Big Ben has 5 TDs to only 1 INT.
Baltimore - Joe Flacco is not great, but his 84.2 QB rating puts him in the pretty good range. He also has 10 TDs to 6 INTs.
Tennessee - Vince Young has 7 TDs to only 2 INTs and a QB rating of near 100.
Houston - Matt Schaub has 9 TDs to 5 INTs and a 93 QB rating.
KC - Matt Cassel has 9 TDs, 3 INTs and a 91.5 QB rating.
NYG - Eli Manning has 10 TDs to 8 INTs, but a QB rating over 86.
ATL - Matt Ryan has 12 TDs to 5 INTs and a QB rating of almost 90.

Anybody notice a trend? With the exception of NYG and Baltimore, every team that's doing well has good QB play and even those two teams have more-than-adequate QB play. Meanwhile, Alex has 9 TDs to 9 INTs and a rating of 75. Not all those guys on the list can be considered top QBs, but they're all at least comparable and are big reasons their teams are winning and leading the pack as we speak.

The bottom line is good QB play leads to wins in this league, especially the way it is present-day. If our QB doesn't stack up to the competition, we need a new QB.
Smith isn't good when compared to the league. But, he is by far the best option on this team. And he is at least as good, probably better, than Hill. I don't really see arguments claiming Smith is an elite QB.

I don't see what the debate is here. Isn't this agreed on by everyone?
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by truekingcarlos:
Shaj, at times you reasonable, at others irrational.

This is irrational. This TEAM is horrible. Absolutely horrendous. Smith is PART of the problem, that's all.

When did I say otherwise? But the QB touches the ball on every offensive play. Not all positions are equal. I harp on Smith because he is the most overrated player on our team, at the most important position on our team.

BTW, we would be an NFC Championship contender with a real QB and a real HC. That's how close we are.
Cool. I don't disagree with your assessment entirely, but I tend to place the blame more on ownership than anything else. It trickles on down, even to bad qb play, because without hiring experienced football people the franchise will never make wise decisions about who gets the coaching gig, and in turn, who gets the qb gig.

In other word, we have a huge systemic problem. We have had it for years now. Just look at the poor results we've had with every qb we've started in the last 5 years, including Hill's meltdown last year.
getting rid of Hill was the right move at the time. He had no future here, we had found his ceiling. the big mistake was not bringing in a backup QB that the team would actually trust to come into the game, which, in hindsight, makes the trading of Hill a bad move. I like Hill a lot, and think he's a very good backup QB, but that move is not the only mistake that has led us to a 1-6 record.
  • ZRF80
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Originally posted by HessianDud:
getting rid of Hill was the right move at the time. He had no future here, we had found his ceiling. the big mistake was not bringing in a backup QB that the team would actually trust to come into the game, which, in hindsight, makes the trading of Hill a bad move. I like Hill a lot, and think he's a very good backup QB, but that move is not the only mistake that has led us to a 1-6 record.

It was a good move in the sense that we all knew he wasnt going to be the starter for the next 10 years.

It was a bad move because he would have been a good backup plan if Smith struggled/injured (A), and could have served a backup role even after drafting a rookie next year (B).

In actuality, Singletary knew that Hill was arguably the better QB. Thats why he got rid of him. Like he said.......no competition for Smith.....
Originally posted by Shaj:
Dumbest move ever by Sing = getting rid of Shaun Hill so Smith doesn't have to look over his shoulder.... that shoulder being the one that is injured now. I knew Smith > Carr, but this is ridiculous. Hill would have gotten us a win today.
PERHAPS, but these shaun hill threads start to annoy...
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
getting rid of Hill was the right move at the time. He had no future here, we had found his ceiling. the big mistake was not bringing in a backup QB that the team would actually trust to come into the game, which, in hindsight, makes the trading of Hill a bad move. I like Hill a lot, and think he's a very good backup QB, but that move is not the only mistake that has led us to a 1-6 record.

It was a good move in the sense that we all knew he wasnt going to be the starter for the next 10 years.

It was a bad move because he would have been a good backup plan if Smith struggled/injured (A), and could have served a backup role even after drafting a rookie next year (B).

In actuality, Singletary knew that Hill was arguably the better QB. Thats why he got rid of him. Like he said.......no competition for Smith.....

i'm bored by this conspiracy theory crap people are throwing out. I agree that the team failed to bring in anyone who could really compete for the starting QB job--or even anyone who could adequately come in in relief--but I think getting a draft pick for a guy that you don't think can get it done for you is a good move. It has nothing to do with some kind of conspiracy to help Smith.
Hold it: Games are won or lost each week, not how the QB averaged through a season. You want to compare Alex to other good QBs this week?

Here:
Alex - 87.4
Rivers - 85.1
Brady - 82.7
Brees - 65.8
McNaab - 56.8
Cutler - 54.3

For anyone to condemn Alex for playing inconsistent, look at these other good QBs. Are they consistent?
  • ZRF80
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Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
getting rid of Hill was the right move at the time. He had no future here, we had found his ceiling. the big mistake was not bringing in a backup QB that the team would actually trust to come into the game, which, in hindsight, makes the trading of Hill a bad move. I like Hill a lot, and think he's a very good backup QB, but that move is not the only mistake that has led us to a 1-6 record.

It was a good move in the sense that we all knew he wasnt going to be the starter for the next 10 years.

It was a bad move because he would have been a good backup plan if Smith struggled/injured (A), and could have served a backup role even after drafting a rookie next year (B).

In actuality, Singletary knew that Hill was arguably the better QB. Thats why he got rid of him. Like he said.......no competition for Smith.....

i'm bored by this conspiracy theory crap people are throwing out. I agree that the team failed to bring in anyone who could really compete for the starting QB job--or even anyone who could adequately come in in relief--but I think getting a draft pick for a guy that you don't think can get it done for you is a good move. It has nothing to do with some kind of conspiracy to help Smith.

I dont think it's a theory. Singletary alluded to it during his press conference a couple weeks back. I dont have the exact wording, but this is what people said about it during the monday morning conference a couple weeks back.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=129811&page=96&highlight=conference
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
getting rid of Hill was the right move at the time. He had no future here, we had found his ceiling. the big mistake was not bringing in a backup QB that the team would actually trust to come into the game, which, in hindsight, makes the trading of Hill a bad move. I like Hill a lot, and think he's a very good backup QB, but that move is not the only mistake that has led us to a 1-6 record.

It was a good move in the sense that we all knew he wasnt going to be the starter for the next 10 years.

It was a bad move because he would have been a good backup plan if Smith struggled/injured (A), and could have served a backup role even after drafting a rookie next year (B).

In actuality, Singletary knew that Hill was arguably the better QB. Thats why he got rid of him. Like he said.......no competition for Smith.....

i'm bored by this conspiracy theory crap people are throwing out. I agree that the team failed to bring in anyone who could really compete for the starting QB job--or even anyone who could adequately come in in relief--but I think getting a draft pick for a guy that you don't think can get it done for you is a good move. It has nothing to do with some kind of conspiracy to help Smith.

I dont think it's a theory. Singletary alluded to it during his press conference a couple weeks back. I dont have the exact wording, but this is what people said about it during the monday morning conference a couple weeks back.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=129811&page=96&highlight=conference

that only proves my point that some people are willing to believe anything to satisfy their hate-filled conspiracies about Smith.
alex, shaun, used-carr... it doesn't matter, they all blow!!!!!!!!!!!!