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Rewatched Raiders game to look at Oline play.

I sat down yesterday and rewatched the offensive plays from sunday's game, I wanted to focus on the Oline play. I realized that a lot of the things that I saw were not new at all, which in turn, is a bad thing. Others were kind of surprising to me.

1. On running plays, this line has absolutely no push at all. They get stopped right on their tracks, it is literally a wall, with no holes. Once the formation became spread the holes started opening up. The play action will not fool any one unless they have to fear the run.
2. Joe Staley, had an awful pass blocking game. Someone posted that he seems to be lifting his left foot up at the snap, I am not sure if it mechanics related or he is hurt, but he seemed to be once step behind.
3. A Davis - was beat a couple of times on pass plays, but none seemed as bad as Staley's. I am not sure if it has to do with the scheme but he seemed to be blocking to the inside on the bootleg plays, leaving the DE unaccounted for.
4. Iutapi - he did ok, although I still waiting to see that strong, push everybody put of the way, opening lanes guard we were promised.
5. Bass - he did ok on his own. I am not sure if he is doing the necessary communication as the leader of the line.
6. Rachal - now this may be surprising to a lot of you but when I rewatched the game I realized Chilo did a great job. He did not miss block, assisted in blocks, pass protected. The only knock I have on Chilo is the same I have on the rest of the line, he can not push anyone back.
Thanks for taking the time to watch the o-line. Great info. Considering we have so many big guys up front, I wonder why we are not getting better there. I wonder if it's a matter of our rookies jelling with our vets or what? Do you think Heitman will come back or has Bass won the job?
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How does one take the time to re watch an entire game analyze the offensive line play but not take 5 seconds to check the injury report to see that Staley was listed as probable with a shoulder and missed most of practice last week?
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How does one take the time to re watch an entire game analyze the offensive line play but not take 5 seconds to check the injury report to see that Staley was listed as probable with a shoulder and missed most of practice last week?

Because they missed the injury report?
Originally posted by boriken_9er:
3. A Davis - was beat a couple of times on pass plays, but none seemed as bad as Staley's. I am not sure if it has to do with the scheme but he seemed to be blocking to the inside on the bootleg plays, leaving the DE unaccounted for.

Its scheme. On a bootleg, the right tackle must block down on the closest person on inside his shoulder, whether that be the defensive tackle, a blitzing LB or, the DE if the DE lines up over his inside shoulder.

The defensive players are taught to follow the flow of the play. As long as the QB and RB sell the fake, the QB should have enough time to throw the ball even if the DE is unblocked.

Right DEs' first assignment on stretch plays going away from him, is to prevent the RB from cutting it back across the LOS. His 2nd assignment (if its a bootleg), is to prevent the QB from running around him and force him to get rid of the ball ASAP.

As far as why the OL can't get a push, well defenses don't respect the passing game so every team has gameplanned to try to shut down Gore first and make Alex Smith beat you downfield.
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Originally posted by binary2nd:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How does one take the time to re watch an entire game analyze the offensive line play but not take 5 seconds to check the injury report to see that Staley was listed as probable with a shoulder and missed most of practice last week?

Because they missed the injury report?

you can look up any weeks injury report at nfl.com

excuse invalid

Other teams draft or sign players from the same draft pool like we do. Other teams' players work out and try to get as strong as possible, just like we do.

We're not getting a push or too often getting beat by the opposing team defense because too often they can correctly predict what our play is. That millisecond which determines whether we move a defensive lineman off the ball or force him to take unnecessary steps because he isn't sure what we're doing is gone.

It ain't physical, Singletary, it's mental as in being creative and unpredictable and keeping the defense off balance.

You'ld rather repeatedly bang your head against the wall, just to prove a point, instead of figuring out ways around it or over it.

Our linemen should just take more 'roids in order to be more effective under this Neanderthal system.

[ Edited by Bluefalcon61 on Oct 19, 2010 at 06:59:22 ]
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How does one take the time to re watch an entire game analyze the offensive line play but not take 5 seconds to check the injury report to see that Staley was listed as probable with a shoulder and missed most of practice last week?

So, because he had an injured shoulder he was getting beat at the snap?

excuse invalid
I don't recall noticing Rachal get run over. Therefor I would say he had his bet game of the year.
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Originally posted by boriken_9er:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How does one take the time to re watch an entire game analyze the offensive line play but not take 5 seconds to check the injury report to see that Staley was listed as probable with a shoulder and missed most of practice last week?

So, because he had an injured shoulder he was getting beat at the snap?

excuse invalid

I was just giving you a hard time.

Seriously though what’s the point of all this?

Heitmann who is a better center is hurt.
Baas has played a handful of games at center since high school.
Rachal would be on the bench if Heitmann was playing center and Baas at guard
Two rookies who are still learning the game and don’t know what they’re doing half the time are starting.

It’s clear why they suck
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by boriken_9er:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How does one take the time to re watch an entire game analyze the offensive line play but not take 5 seconds to check the injury report to see that Staley was listed as probable with a shoulder and missed most of practice last week?

So, because he had an injured shoulder he was getting beat at the snap?

excuse invalid

I was just giving you a hard time.

Seriously though what’s the point of all this?

Heitmann who is a better center is hurt.
Baas has played a handful of games at center since high school.
Rachal would be on the bench if Heitmann was playing center and Baas at guard
Two rookies who are still learning the game and don’t know what they’re doing half the time are starting.

It’s clear why they suck

I agree that injuries are hard to account for, but when you spend 2 first round picks on the Oline (actually any position) you need to make sure you hold them by the hand and teach them. There is a lot of potential on this Oline, but without the proper coaching it will never materialize into success.
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Originally posted by boriken_9er:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by boriken_9er:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How does one take the time to re watch an entire game analyze the offensive line play but not take 5 seconds to check the injury report to see that Staley was listed as probable with a shoulder and missed most of practice last week?

So, because he had an injured shoulder he was getting beat at the snap?

excuse invalid

I was just giving you a hard time.

Seriously though what’s the point of all this?

Heitmann who is a better center is hurt.
Baas has played a handful of games at center since high school.
Rachal would be on the bench if Heitmann was playing center and Baas at guard
Two rookies who are still learning the game and don’t know what they’re doing half the time are starting.

It’s clear why they suck

I agree that injuries are hard to account for, but when you spend 2 first round picks on the Oline (actually any position) you need to make sure you hold them by the hand and teach them. There is a lot of potential on this Oline, but without the proper coaching it will never materialize into success.

name a team that had two rookies starting on the OL and was dominate

look at all the good offensive lines around the league guys that have played together for years

9ers have had a different line every year there's nothing to build on this is the starting point
Staley has been playing badly and been getting beat every week. It's more than the shoulder injury. The guy just isn't playing up to par this year.
I can say quite assuredly that this whipping boy sentiment on Chilo Rachal has been unjustified in the last game and 1/2 of play. I'm still working towards the 2nd half vs Oakland, so I'll know more then... but Rachal has been solid during that time period stated.
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by boriken_9er:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How does one take the time to re watch an entire game analyze the offensive line play but not take 5 seconds to check the injury report to see that Staley was listed as probable with a shoulder and missed most of practice last week?

So, because he had an injured shoulder he was getting beat at the snap?

excuse invalid

I was just giving you a hard time.

Seriously though what’s the point of all this?

Heitmann who is a better center is hurt.
Baas has played a handful of games at center since high school.
Rachal would be on the bench if Heitmann was playing center and Baas at guard
Two rookies who are still learning the game and don’t know what they’re doing half the time are starting.

It’s clear why they suck

I thought Baas was a Center at Michigan?