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Grade Mike Johnson's play calling last night:
Grade Mike Johnson's play calling last night:
Oct 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM
- SybErkRimInAL
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what pisses me off the most is that we don't go to the passing attack until we absolutely need to. It's like the coaches never learn.
Oct 11, 2010 at 9:54 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Too many Gore runs up the gut, which lead to...
too many 3rd and longs, which led to...
FINALLY calling more diverse plays and getting our pass catchers involved...
but too little, too late.
We've GOT to open it up SOONER rather than waiting until we are behind.
Crabtree had 86 yards on 6 catches in the 1st half. The playcalling was good and a lot of those late game plays were much easier against a defense trying to not give up a 15 second TD. Once Philly began blitzing again on that last drive, Alex missed on his hot routes.
Oct 11, 2010 at 9:54 AM
- susweel
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Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by HessianDud:
D+
scored another opening drive TD, which is great, but then we didn't do s**t for most of the rest of the game. It got better late--too late.
I agree with the D+.
It looked much like Jimmy Raye until the end of the game.
TOTALLY disagree.
The playcaller doesn't fumble the ball on promising drives.
The Niners were moving the ball on every one of those drives where there was a turnover.
I seen plenty of punts as well. He also called to many running plays and the running game was getting stuffed all night.
Also lack of deep passes, and still no creativity.
Oct 11, 2010 at 9:54 AM
- djfullshred
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IMO, it really doesn't matter that much when you have players prone to fumble & throwing interceptions. They do need bigger chunk plays though. You can't rely on them to sustain long drives without making a killer mistake along the way.
Oct 11, 2010 at 9:57 AM
- LasVegasWally
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I gave him a B-. Much better than before - still to much Gore up front. Eagels did not beat u - we beat ourselves.
If his play calling keeps improving we can win some games.
If his play calling keeps improving we can win some games.
Oct 11, 2010 at 9:58 AM
- Marvin49
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Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by HessianDud:
D+
scored another opening drive TD, which is great, but then we didn't do s**t for most of the rest of the game. It got better late--too late.
I agree with the D+.
It looked much like Jimmy Raye until the end of the game.
TOTALLY disagree.
The playcaller doesn't fumble the ball on promising drives.
The Niners were moving the ball on every one of those drives where there was a turnover.
I seen plenty of punts as well. He also called to many running plays and the running game was getting stuffed all night.
Also lack of deep passes, and still no creativity.
No...you saw a lack of deep passes THROWN, not called. There were several times that Ginn ran deep...he just didn't get the ball. MJ can only call the plays. He can't throw the ball or carry it.
Oct 11, 2010 at 9:59 AM
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First 8 minutes of the game: B+
Next 45 Minutes: D
Last 7 minutes: A
So far Mike Johnson is no different than Jimmy Raye.
Next 45 Minutes: D
Last 7 minutes: A
So far Mike Johnson is no different than Jimmy Raye.
Oct 11, 2010 at 9:59 AM
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I think the playcalling has improved a bit. They are totally moving the ball more than they were with Raye calling the plays. If those turnovers didn't happen and we win, then everyone is praising Mike Johnson's play calling. Its not Mike fumbling the ball, its the players. He called a good game, its just the players made the mistakes in the game. Those last two drives should represent what we should be doing on every drive. If the offense needs to be in a 2 min offense to thrive, then do that throughout the game. Alex seems to thrive on the hurry up when calling his own plays anyway.
Oct 11, 2010 at 9:59 AM
- NCommand
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Yes, the runs up the gut are still predictable esp. given that teams now defend it very well AND have the luxury of going for the strip (given they have 7-8 other guys also making the same tackle). We do need an off-tackle runner or a more complete back but it is harder to sprint off tackle at Candlestick (wet grass) esp. for night games. The use of more (better) screens would help and no question, they need to get VD more involved early and often. But overall, it is a big improvement over Raye and there seems to be a "flow." Player miscues should not be counted against the OC. Ginn x1, Gore x2, Alex x1, defenses inability to get off the field (x forever), Staley/Davis were garbage last night, etc. And let's not forget the CONSTANT false start penalties that perpetually put us in 1st and 15 or 2nd and 15. THAT is a hard way to start a drive. So over all, I give him a B+. Getting more Ginn, VD, less Gore up the middle, more spread/shotgun and screens and crossing routes will really help MJ take the next step. Throw in a little more Westbrook, Williams and Dixon and we should be good to go. I think this was the first game where we didn't have a communication-issue penalty too!
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 11, 2010 at 10:20:43 ]
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 11, 2010 at 10:20:43 ]
Oct 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM
- Shemp
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still way too many predictable run plays. They were all straight up the gut, and the Eagles just easily clogged the middle (run defense against the 2010 niners is as easy as it gets). Also, we have this guy on our roster named Bryant Westbrook, Mike should check him out.
Oct 11, 2010 at 10:01 AM
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3rd & 15 and we run up the middle on a draw play! that pissed me off.
Oct 11, 2010 at 10:01 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Yes, the runs up the gut are still predictable esp. given that teams now defend it very well AND have the luxury of going for the strip (given they have 7-8 other guys also making the same tackle). We do need an off-tackle runner or a more complete back but it is harder to sprint off tackle at Candlestick (wet grass) esp. for night games. The use of more (better) screens would help and no question, they need to get VD more involved early and often. But overall, it is a big improvement over Raye and there seems to be a "flow." Player miscues should not be counted against the OC. Ginn x1, Gore x2, Alex x1, defenses inability to get off the field (x forever), etc. And let's not forget the CONSTANT false start penalties that perpetually put us in 1st and 15 or 2nd and 15. THAT is a hard way to start a drive. So over all, I give him a B+. Getting more Ginn, VD, less Gore up the middle, more spread/shotgun and screens and crossing routes will really help MJ take the next step. Throw in a little more Westbrook, Williams and Dixon and we should be good to go. I think this was the first game where we didn't have a communication-issue penalty too!
There were a lot of off tackles runs called. It was also successful to start the game. At the end of the day, we would not be saying anything about Johnson if we don't have 5 turnovers and multiple false starts.
Oct 11, 2010 at 10:03 AM
- susweel
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Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by HessianDud:
D+
scored another opening drive TD, which is great, but then we didn't do s**t for most of the rest of the game. It got better late--too late.
I agree with the D+.
It looked much like Jimmy Raye until the end of the game.
TOTALLY disagree.
The playcaller doesn't fumble the ball on promising drives.
The Niners were moving the ball on every one of those drives where there was a turnover.
I seen plenty of punts as well. He also called to many running plays and the running game was getting stuffed all night.
Also lack of deep passes, and still no creativity.
No...you saw a lack of deep passes THROWN, not called. There were several times that Ginn ran deep...he just didn't get the ball. MJ can only call the plays. He can't throw the ball or carry it.
True
But I still dont think he's the answer.
Oct 11, 2010 at 10:04 AM
- NineFourNiner
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Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Too many Gore runs up the gut, which lead to...
too many 3rd and longs, which led to...
FINALLY calling more diverse plays and getting our pass catchers involved...
but too little, too late.
We've GOT to open it up SOONER rather than waiting until we are behind.
Crabtree had 86 yards on 6 catches in the 1st half. The playcalling was good and a lot of those late game plays were much easier against a defense trying to not give up a 15 second TD. Once Philly began blitzing again on that last drive, Alex missed on his hot routes.
And how many of Crab's catches came on third and long?
I'm just saying: It is OK to call a pass play on first down.
Oct 11, 2010 at 10:04 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by HessianDud:
D+
scored another opening drive TD, which is great, but then we didn't do s**t for most of the rest of the game. It got better late--too late.
I agree with the D+.
It looked much like Jimmy Raye until the end of the game.
TOTALLY disagree.
The playcaller doesn't fumble the ball on promising drives.
The Niners were moving the ball on every one of those drives where there was a turnover.
I seen plenty of punts as well. He also called to many running plays and the running game was getting stuffed all night.
Also lack of deep passes, and still no creativity.
No...you saw a lack of deep passes THROWN, not called. There were several times that Ginn ran deep...he just didn't get the ball. MJ can only call the plays. He can't throw the ball or carry it.
True
But I still dont think he's the answer.
Mike Johnson even stated last week that there were deep routes called but missed.