What Singletary said to Smith!

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by Brew:
Wait so Alex is the one that wanted to come out?

That's not true. I read lips too. Sing said We're behind 24 to 10 and I gotta... camera panned to something else.

So we don't know the FULL story.

I have a feeling Sing was gonna throw the hook on Smith but Smith got pissed and started yelling at Sing(this we DID see) and told him that he could still play.

Now this I believe. The boobirds were out in full force like Smith crapped on somebodies kid at the 50 and the game was his fault when it wasn't. I think Smith finally stuck up for himself. He was pissed and I don't blame him. It was a stupid mistake that gave up 7 but to that point look at how solid he was playing the game.

Frank put the ball down twice and everyone boos Alex. That;s f@ckin stupid imho.

If our Defense could stop a gang of school kids from scoring on their baby sister Alex would not be in the position of having to comeback from even a 7 point deficit. But that sh!t is lost on the "Faithful".

He gave up 7. The Defense gave up 14. Why are we pissed at Smith today? Oh I forgot when you're drafted 1st overall you have to be Montana and Young all rolled into one and have to keep the Opposing Offense from scoring too.

~Ceadder

It seems to easy to bench Alex in this game, the person who should have seen less touches is Gore with Westbrook coming in. Gore had a bad day, it happens, but you have another pro-bowl RB on the bench that is yearning to play. PLAY HIM!!!! Two Gore fumbles on drives that were steamrolling is a BIG momentum killer. Singletary is not a coach, he is a motivational speaker and I usually start falling asleep after an hour of listening to this type of person. I am sure all the players are tired of hearing his crap!!!

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The 1st INT was due to Ginn not being a Receiver. He shouldn't even be on the field when the Offense is. He's not a good Receiver and doesn't understand when to turn around. If that was Rice, Bruce, Battle, Taylor friggin Jacobs, that wouldn't have been and Interception cause they would have turned around once they got within 10 yards of the End Zone and made a play on the ball. Instead Ginn runs pell mell to the End Zone doesn't look back and the DB does.

Good play by the DB, bad form on Ginn and Smith looks bad on a play that every QB would look like a hero by one of the aforementioned Receivers.

We have Vernon and Crabtree for the outroutes and Ziggy can take the intermediate and Morgan and Gore can take Dumpoff and shallow routes. Ginn doesn't need to be on that field at that time. Solid returner. Sh!tty option at Receiver.

~Ceadder

Lol.... Ginn is one of our best recievers, maybe 2nd best WR on the team. That pass was underthrown and if Smith threw it to the endzone it would have been a td because Ginn had his man beat. Ginn had his man beat for another TD later in the game but Smith didn't see it. Smith also underthrew VD in the endzone befor the half and missed FG, didn't even give Davis a chance to go up and make a play on the ball.

Don't make me go medieval on you with stats.

I doubt Smith "didn't see it" as you claim. More like he got bent over with no reach around on the 1st Pick so he wasn't even going to throw to Ginn and give him another chance to get off in Alex's back door.

2nd best WR my ass.



~Ceadder

..........2ND BEST!!!

K man, that almost just gave me a brain aneurysm. I'm going back to bed

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The 1st INT was due to Ginn not being a Receiver. He shouldn't even be on the field when the Offense is. He's not a good Receiver and doesn't understand when to turn around. If that was Rice, Bruce, Battle, Taylor friggin Jacobs, that wouldn't have been and Interception cause they would have turned around once they got within 10 yards of the End Zone and made a play on the ball. Instead Ginn runs pell mell to the End Zone doesn't look back and the DB does.

Good play by the DB, bad form on Ginn and Smith looks bad on a play that every QB would look like a hero by one of the aforementioned Receivers.

We have Vernon and Crabtree for the outroutes and Ziggy can take the intermediate and Morgan and Gore can take Dumpoff and shallow routes. Ginn doesn't need to be on that field at that time. Solid returner. Sh!tty option at Receiver.

~Ceadder

Yep, it had nothing to do with the ball being underthrown.

Go back and look at the play again. It was not underthrown. It was right where it gave Ginn a chance to go up for the ball and make a play, but he didn't. Throw that same ball up to Morgan and he will at least knock it down if not catch. Too bad Morgan doesn't have Ginn's speed.

It should have been thrown over the top, not where Ginn would have to go up and fight for the ball. He isn't Larry Fitzgerald and Smith knows this.

When a receiver is streaking and has to stop, turn around and try to get a jump ball, it's an underthrown pass.

I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but that ball was not accurate, either.

Ginn's performance on that pass was an example of why Miami cut him. He had a chance to make a play but didn't. Period.

Quarterbacks rarely throw perfect passes 50 yards down the field, even if their first name if Peyton. A receiver has a job to do. He can't expect the ball to fall into his front pocket on every throw.

Like I said, I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but the underthrown ball is the primary reason it was intercepted.

The pass was not underthrown. It was thrown toward the sideline while Ginn was on the inside. If there was a mistake, it was that is should have been on the inside, not the outside, but it wasn't underthrown.

So if we want to talk about technique; ideally the receiver would have the inside of the field if there is no safety coming over to help. If there is safety help, the receiver would try to get to the sideline and force the CB to allow him space to catch the ball while using the CB to shield off safety help.

All of this assumes both QB and WR make the same read. In this case we don't know that answer but we do know that Ginn, with his speed should have been able to get enough space to look back and play the ball. Ginn did none of that and the DB made the pick.

In summary, Smith made the kind of throw everyone here, as well as Steve Young, said he should make. Put it up and let the receiver make a play. In that situation, the WR MUST MAKE A PLAY ON THE BALL TO EITHER CATCH IT OR PREVENT THE DB FROM DOING SO. Ginn didn't.

Though Morgan doesn't have great speed, in that particular situation we have seen him either make the catch or know it down. That is what should have happened.

I'm sorry but Smith gets a pass on that throw. Not on some of the others but he does on that throw.

Usually when a QB throws a ball up like that, his receiver has his man beat. When I saw the two standing there waitng for the ball to land, it was clearly a chance play. The ball should have been thrown deeper where only Ginn could get it or incomplete. On that same play, the announcers pointed out a wide open Vernon for 20 yards.

Maybe Sing should yell at him and kick his a$$ before the game starts, We may blow a team out.

Originally posted by TheCatch:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The 1st INT was due to Ginn not being a Receiver. He shouldn't even be on the field when the Offense is. He's not a good Receiver and doesn't understand when to turn around. If that was Rice, Bruce, Battle, Taylor friggin Jacobs, that wouldn't have been and Interception cause they would have turned around once they got within 10 yards of the End Zone and made a play on the ball. Instead Ginn runs pell mell to the End Zone doesn't look back and the DB does.

Good play by the DB, bad form on Ginn and Smith looks bad on a play that every QB would look like a hero by one of the aforementioned Receivers.

We have Vernon and Crabtree for the outroutes and Ziggy can take the intermediate and Morgan and Gore can take Dumpoff and shallow routes. Ginn doesn't need to be on that field at that time. Solid returner. Sh!tty option at Receiver.

~Ceadder

Yep, it had nothing to do with the ball being underthrown.

Go back and look at the play again. It was not underthrown. It was right where it gave Ginn a chance to go up for the ball and make a play, but he didn't. Throw that same ball up to Morgan and he will at least knock it down if not catch. Too bad Morgan doesn't have Ginn's speed.

It should have been thrown over the top, not where Ginn would have to go up and fight for the ball. He isn't Larry Fitzgerald and Smith knows this.

When a receiver is streaking and has to stop, turn around and try to get a jump ball, it's an underthrown pass.

I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but that ball was not accurate, either.

Ginn's performance on that pass was an example of why Miami cut him. He had a chance to make a play but didn't. Period.

Quarterbacks rarely throw perfect passes 50 yards down the field, even if their first name if Peyton. A receiver has a job to do. He can't expect the ball to fall into his front pocket on every throw.

Like I said, I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but the underthrown ball is the primary reason it was intercepted.

The pass was not underthrown. It was thrown toward the sideline while Ginn was on the inside. If there was a mistake, it was that is should have been on the inside, not the outside, but it wasn't underthrown.

So if we want to talk about technique; ideally the receiver would have the inside of the field if there is no safety coming over to help. If there is safety help, the receiver would try to get to the sideline and force the CB to allow him space to catch the ball while using the CB to shield off safety help.

All of this assumes both QB and WR make the same read. In this case we don't know that answer but we do know that Ginn, with his speed should have been able to get enough space to look back and play the ball. Ginn did none of that and the DB made the pick.

In summary, Smith made the kind of throw everyone here, as well as Steve Young, said he should make. Put it up and let the receiver make a play. In that situation, the WR MUST MAKE A PLAY ON THE BALL TO EITHER CATCH IT OR PREVENT THE DB FROM DOING SO. Ginn didn't.

Though Morgan doesn't have great speed, in that particular situation we have seen him either make the catch or know it down. That is what should have happened.

I'm sorry but Smith gets a pass on that throw. Not on some of the others but he does on that throw.

Usually when a QB throws a ball up like that, his receiver has his man beat. When I saw the two standing there waitng for the ball to land, it was clearly a chance play. The ball should have been thrown deeper where only Ginn could get it or incomplete. On that same play, the announcers pointed out a wide open Vernon for 20 yards.

Smith rushed the play and it was an obvious call to go deep. The ball was snapped he looked left then right then the ball was thrown in 2 seconds.

He did have pressure to his right but a nice pocket to step up in. Davis was not open when Smith threw the ball he was double covered. A defender was 2 yards under Davis and another guy was a yard behind him Davis was not open until well after Smith throws the ball.

Crabs on the other hand puts a nice move on the defender at the 40 beats his man by three yards if Smith steps up in the pocket and looks back left he could have hit Crabs for a nice gain.

Originally posted by TheCatch:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The 1st INT was due to Ginn not being a Receiver. He shouldn't even be on the field when the Offense is. He's not a good Receiver and doesn't understand when to turn around. If that was Rice, Bruce, Battle, Taylor friggin Jacobs, that wouldn't have been and Interception cause they would have turned around once they got within 10 yards of the End Zone and made a play on the ball. Instead Ginn runs pell mell to the End Zone doesn't look back and the DB does.

Good play by the DB, bad form on Ginn and Smith looks bad on a play that every QB would look like a hero by one of the aforementioned Receivers.

We have Vernon and Crabtree for the outroutes and Ziggy can take the intermediate and Morgan and Gore can take Dumpoff and shallow routes. Ginn doesn't need to be on that field at that time. Solid returner. Sh!tty option at Receiver.

~Ceadder

Yep, it had nothing to do with the ball being underthrown.

Go back and look at the play again. It was not underthrown. It was right where it gave Ginn a chance to go up for the ball and make a play, but he didn't. Throw that same ball up to Morgan and he will at least knock it down if not catch. Too bad Morgan doesn't have Ginn's speed.

It should have been thrown over the top, not where Ginn would have to go up and fight for the ball. He isn't Larry Fitzgerald and Smith knows this.

When a receiver is streaking and has to stop, turn around and try to get a jump ball, it's an underthrown pass.

I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but that ball was not accurate, either.

Ginn's performance on that pass was an example of why Miami cut him. He had a chance to make a play but didn't. Period.

Quarterbacks rarely throw perfect passes 50 yards down the field, even if their first name if Peyton. A receiver has a job to do. He can't expect the ball to fall into his front pocket on every throw.

Like I said, I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but the underthrown ball is the primary reason it was intercepted.

The pass was not underthrown. It was thrown toward the sideline while Ginn was on the inside. If there was a mistake, it was that is should have been on the inside, not the outside, but it wasn't underthrown.

So if we want to talk about technique; ideally the receiver would have the inside of the field if there is no safety coming over to help. If there is safety help, the receiver would try to get to the sideline and force the CB to allow him space to catch the ball while using the CB to shield off safety help.

All of this assumes both QB and WR make the same read. In this case we don't know that answer but we do know that Ginn, with his speed should have been able to get enough space to look back and play the ball. Ginn did none of that and the DB made the pick.

In summary, Smith made the kind of throw everyone here, as well as Steve Young, said he should make. Put it up and let the receiver make a play. In that situation, the WR MUST MAKE A PLAY ON THE BALL TO EITHER CATCH IT OR PREVENT THE DB FROM DOING SO. Ginn didn't.

Though Morgan doesn't have great speed, in that particular situation we have seen him either make the catch or know it down. That is what should have happened.

I'm sorry but Smith gets a pass on that throw. Not on some of the others but he does on that throw.

Usually when a QB throws a ball up like that, his receiver has his man beat. When I saw the two standing there waitng for the ball to land, it was clearly a chance play. The ball should have been thrown deeper where only Ginn could get it or incomplete. On that same play, the announcers pointed out a wide open Vernon for 20 yards.

Not always beat. Very often they just throw it up and hope for PI if the receiver can't get it.

That is one of those situations that the league has created with the change in rules.

Originally posted by norcal49er864:

Originally posted by seeking6th:
sing "son, do you want me to throw your @$$ in the shower, myself!!!?"

alex "no, dad!!! don't threaten me anymore, i'm tired of it"

sing "well, are you going to get back out there and get us back in it or what!!!"

alex "yeah, but they keep booing me and yelling for the used carr... it hurts a little bit"

sing "either you get your butt out there and score two TDs like i know you can OR i will throw in the used carr!!!"

alex "okay, gosh, do you have to yell in front of everybody, geeeesh, okay, gosh!!!"

what...?

my lip reading is a lil rusty but it went a lil something like that

Nedney missing the chipshot before half-time was yet another momentum killer. We need to move on from him, he isn't good enough. I want a kicker who is money and leaves no doubt about it behind, ala David Akers, Jeff Reed, the Titans kicker, etc.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheCatch:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The 1st INT was due to Ginn not being a Receiver. He shouldn't even be on the field when the Offense is. He's not a good Receiver and doesn't understand when to turn around. If that was Rice, Bruce, Battle, Taylor friggin Jacobs, that wouldn't have been and Interception cause they would have turned around once they got within 10 yards of the End Zone and made a play on the ball. Instead Ginn runs pell mell to the End Zone doesn't look back and the DB does.

Good play by the DB, bad form on Ginn and Smith looks bad on a play that every QB would look like a hero by one of the aforementioned Receivers.

We have Vernon and Crabtree for the outroutes and Ziggy can take the intermediate and Morgan and Gore can take Dumpoff and shallow routes. Ginn doesn't need to be on that field at that time. Solid returner. Sh!tty option at Receiver.

~Ceadder

Yep, it had nothing to do with the ball being underthrown.

Go back and look at the play again. It was not underthrown. It was right where it gave Ginn a chance to go up for the ball and make a play, but he didn't. Throw that same ball up to Morgan and he will at least knock it down if not catch. Too bad Morgan doesn't have Ginn's speed.

It should have been thrown over the top, not where Ginn would have to go up and fight for the ball. He isn't Larry Fitzgerald and Smith knows this.

When a receiver is streaking and has to stop, turn around and try to get a jump ball, it's an underthrown pass.

I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but that ball was not accurate, either.

Ginn's performance on that pass was an example of why Miami cut him. He had a chance to make a play but didn't. Period.

Quarterbacks rarely throw perfect passes 50 yards down the field, even if their first name if Peyton. A receiver has a job to do. He can't expect the ball to fall into his front pocket on every throw.

Like I said, I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but the underthrown ball is the primary reason it was intercepted.

The pass was not underthrown. It was thrown toward the sideline while Ginn was on the inside. If there was a mistake, it was that is should have been on the inside, not the outside, but it wasn't underthrown.

So if we want to talk about technique; ideally the receiver would have the inside of the field if there is no safety coming over to help. If there is safety help, the receiver would try to get to the sideline and force the CB to allow him space to catch the ball while using the CB to shield off safety help.

All of this assumes both QB and WR make the same read. In this case we don't know that answer but we do know that Ginn, with his speed should have been able to get enough space to look back and play the ball. Ginn did none of that and the DB made the pick.

In summary, Smith made the kind of throw everyone here, as well as Steve Young, said he should make. Put it up and let the receiver make a play. In that situation, the WR MUST MAKE A PLAY ON THE BALL TO EITHER CATCH IT OR PREVENT THE DB FROM DOING SO. Ginn didn't.

Though Morgan doesn't have great speed, in that particular situation we have seen him either make the catch or know it down. That is what should have happened.

I'm sorry but Smith gets a pass on that throw. Not on some of the others but he does on that throw.

Usually when a QB throws a ball up like that, his receiver has his man beat. When I saw the two standing there waitng for the ball to land, it was clearly a chance play. The ball should have been thrown deeper where only Ginn could get it or incomplete. On that same play, the announcers pointed out a wide open Vernon for 20 yards.

Not always beat. Very often they just throw it up and hope for PI if the receiver can't get it.

That is one of those situations that the league has created with the change in rules.

exactly, with the new PI rules more and more QB's are just throwing it up for their WR's to make a play on the ball or for a PI call. 40% of the time it is completed due to a great play by the WR, 45% of the time it is PI, 5% is it intercepted and 5% it is incomplete.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheCatch:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The 1st INT was due to Ginn not being a Receiver. He shouldn't even be on the field when the Offense is. He's not a good Receiver and doesn't understand when to turn around. If that was Rice, Bruce, Battle, Taylor friggin Jacobs, that wouldn't have been and Interception cause they would have turned around once they got within 10 yards of the End Zone and made a play on the ball. Instead Ginn runs pell mell to the End Zone doesn't look back and the DB does.

Good play by the DB, bad form on Ginn and Smith looks bad on a play that every QB would look like a hero by one of the aforementioned Receivers.

We have Vernon and Crabtree for the outroutes and Ziggy can take the intermediate and Morgan and Gore can take Dumpoff and shallow routes. Ginn doesn't need to be on that field at that time. Solid returner. Sh!tty option at Receiver.

~Ceadder

Yep, it had nothing to do with the ball being underthrown.

Go back and look at the play again. It was not underthrown. It was right where it gave Ginn a chance to go up for the ball and make a play, but he didn't. Throw that same ball up to Morgan and he will at least knock it down if not catch. Too bad Morgan doesn't have Ginn's speed.

It should have been thrown over the top, not where Ginn would have to go up and fight for the ball. He isn't Larry Fitzgerald and Smith knows this.

When a receiver is streaking and has to stop, turn around and try to get a jump ball, it's an underthrown pass.

I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but that ball was not accurate, either.

Ginn's performance on that pass was an example of why Miami cut him. He had a chance to make a play but didn't. Period.

Quarterbacks rarely throw perfect passes 50 yards down the field, even if their first name if Peyton. A receiver has a job to do. He can't expect the ball to fall into his front pocket on every throw.

Like I said, I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but the underthrown ball is the primary reason it was intercepted.

The pass was not underthrown. It was thrown toward the sideline while Ginn was on the inside. If there was a mistake, it was that is should have been on the inside, not the outside, but it wasn't underthrown.

So if we want to talk about technique; ideally the receiver would have the inside of the field if there is no safety coming over to help. If there is safety help, the receiver would try to get to the sideline and force the CB to allow him space to catch the ball while using the CB to shield off safety help.

All of this assumes both QB and WR make the same read. In this case we don't know that answer but we do know that Ginn, with his speed should have been able to get enough space to look back and play the ball. Ginn did none of that and the DB made the pick.

In summary, Smith made the kind of throw everyone here, as well as Steve Young, said he should make. Put it up and let the receiver make a play. In that situation, the WR MUST MAKE A PLAY ON THE BALL TO EITHER CATCH IT OR PREVENT THE DB FROM DOING SO. Ginn didn't.

Though Morgan doesn't have great speed, in that particular situation we have seen him either make the catch or know it down. That is what should have happened.

I'm sorry but Smith gets a pass on that throw. Not on some of the others but he does on that throw.

Usually when a QB throws a ball up like that, his receiver has his man beat. When I saw the two standing there waitng for the ball to land, it was clearly a chance play. The ball should have been thrown deeper where only Ginn could get it or incomplete. On that same play, the announcers pointed out a wide open Vernon for 20 yards.

Not always beat. Very often they just throw it up and hope for PI if the receiver can't get it.

That is one of those situations that the league has created with the change in rules.

exactly, with the new PI rules more and more QB's are just throwing it up for their WR's to make a play on the ball or for a PI call. 40% of the time it is completed due to a great play by the WR, 45% of the time it is PI, 5% is it intercepted and 5% it is incomplete.

And the other 5% the receiver fumbles on the five?

Originally posted by gage:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheCatch:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The 1st INT was due to Ginn not being a Receiver. He shouldn't even be on the field when the Offense is. He's not a good Receiver and doesn't understand when to turn around. If that was Rice, Bruce, Battle, Taylor friggin Jacobs, that wouldn't have been and Interception cause they would have turned around once they got within 10 yards of the End Zone and made a play on the ball. Instead Ginn runs pell mell to the End Zone doesn't look back and the DB does.

Good play by the DB, bad form on Ginn and Smith looks bad on a play that every QB would look like a hero by one of the aforementioned Receivers.

We have Vernon and Crabtree for the outroutes and Ziggy can take the intermediate and Morgan and Gore can take Dumpoff and shallow routes. Ginn doesn't need to be on that field at that time. Solid returner. Sh!tty option at Receiver.

~Ceadder

Yep, it had nothing to do with the ball being underthrown.

Go back and look at the play again. It was not underthrown. It was right where it gave Ginn a chance to go up for the ball and make a play, but he didn't. Throw that same ball up to Morgan and he will at least knock it down if not catch. Too bad Morgan doesn't have Ginn's speed.

It should have been thrown over the top, not where Ginn would have to go up and fight for the ball. He isn't Larry Fitzgerald and Smith knows this.

When a receiver is streaking and has to stop, turn around and try to get a jump ball, it's an underthrown pass.

I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but that ball was not accurate, either.

Ginn's performance on that pass was an example of why Miami cut him. He had a chance to make a play but didn't. Period.

Quarterbacks rarely throw perfect passes 50 yards down the field, even if their first name if Peyton. A receiver has a job to do. He can't expect the ball to fall into his front pocket on every throw.

Like I said, I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but the underthrown ball is the primary reason it was intercepted.

The pass was not underthrown. It was thrown toward the sideline while Ginn was on the inside. If there was a mistake, it was that is should have been on the inside, not the outside, but it wasn't underthrown.

So if we want to talk about technique; ideally the receiver would have the inside of the field if there is no safety coming over to help. If there is safety help, the receiver would try to get to the sideline and force the CB to allow him space to catch the ball while using the CB to shield off safety help.

All of this assumes both QB and WR make the same read. In this case we don't know that answer but we do know that Ginn, with his speed should have been able to get enough space to look back and play the ball. Ginn did none of that and the DB made the pick.

In summary, Smith made the kind of throw everyone here, as well as Steve Young, said he should make. Put it up and let the receiver make a play. In that situation, the WR MUST MAKE A PLAY ON THE BALL TO EITHER CATCH IT OR PREVENT THE DB FROM DOING SO. Ginn didn't.

Though Morgan doesn't have great speed, in that particular situation we have seen him either make the catch or know it down. That is what should have happened.

I'm sorry but Smith gets a pass on that throw. Not on some of the others but he does on that throw.

Usually when a QB throws a ball up like that, his receiver has his man beat. When I saw the two standing there waitng for the ball to land, it was clearly a chance play. The ball should have been thrown deeper where only Ginn could get it or incomplete. On that same play, the announcers pointed out a wide open Vernon for 20 yards.

Not always beat. Very often they just throw it up and hope for PI if the receiver can't get it.

That is one of those situations that the league has created with the change in rules.

exactly, with the new PI rules more and more QB's are just throwing it up for their WR's to make a play on the ball or for a PI call. 40% of the time it is completed due to a great play by the WR, 45% of the time it is PI, 5% is it intercepted and 5% it is incomplete.

And the other 5% the receiver fumbles on the five?

if that receiver is Delanie Walker then yes.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheCatch:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The 1st INT was due to Ginn not being a Receiver. He shouldn't even be on the field when the Offense is. He's not a good Receiver and doesn't understand when to turn around. If that was Rice, Bruce, Battle, Taylor friggin Jacobs, that wouldn't have been and Interception cause they would have turned around once they got within 10 yards of the End Zone and made a play on the ball. Instead Ginn runs pell mell to the End Zone doesn't look back and the DB does.

Good play by the DB, bad form on Ginn and Smith looks bad on a play that every QB would look like a hero by one of the aforementioned Receivers.

We have Vernon and Crabtree for the outroutes and Ziggy can take the intermediate and Morgan and Gore can take Dumpoff and shallow routes. Ginn doesn't need to be on that field at that time. Solid returner. Sh!tty option at Receiver.

~Ceadder

Yep, it had nothing to do with the ball being underthrown.

Go back and look at the play again. It was not underthrown. It was right where it gave Ginn a chance to go up for the ball and make a play, but he didn't. Throw that same ball up to Morgan and he will at least knock it down if not catch. Too bad Morgan doesn't have Ginn's speed.

It should have been thrown over the top, not where Ginn would have to go up and fight for the ball. He isn't Larry Fitzgerald and Smith knows this.

When a receiver is streaking and has to stop, turn around and try to get a jump ball, it's an underthrown pass.

I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but that ball was not accurate, either.

Ginn's performance on that pass was an example of why Miami cut him. He had a chance to make a play but didn't. Period.

Quarterbacks rarely throw perfect passes 50 yards down the field, even if their first name if Peyton. A receiver has a job to do. He can't expect the ball to fall into his front pocket on every throw.

Like I said, I'm not saying Ginn doesn't deserve some blame, but the underthrown ball is the primary reason it was intercepted.

The pass was not underthrown. It was thrown toward the sideline while Ginn was on the inside. If there was a mistake, it was that is should have been on the inside, not the outside, but it wasn't underthrown.

So if we want to talk about technique; ideally the receiver would have the inside of the field if there is no safety coming over to help. If there is safety help, the receiver would try to get to the sideline and force the CB to allow him space to catch the ball while using the CB to shield off safety help.

All of this assumes both QB and WR make the same read. In this case we don't know that answer but we do know that Ginn, with his speed should have been able to get enough space to look back and play the ball. Ginn did none of that and the DB made the pick.

In summary, Smith made the kind of throw everyone here, as well as Steve Young, said he should make. Put it up and let the receiver make a play. In that situation, the WR MUST MAKE A PLAY ON THE BALL TO EITHER CATCH IT OR PREVENT THE DB FROM DOING SO. Ginn didn't.

Though Morgan doesn't have great speed, in that particular situation we have seen him either make the catch or know it down. That is what should have happened.

I'm sorry but Smith gets a pass on that throw. Not on some of the others but he does on that throw.

Usually when a QB throws a ball up like that, his receiver has his man beat. When I saw the two standing there waitng for the ball to land, it was clearly a chance play. The ball should have been thrown deeper where only Ginn could get it or incomplete. On that same play, the announcers pointed out a wide open Vernon for 20 yards.

Not always beat. Very often they just throw it up and hope for PI if the receiver can't get it.

That is one of those situations that the league has created with the change in rules.

exactly, with the new PI rules more and more QB's are just throwing it up for their WR's to make a play on the ball or for a PI call. 40% of the time it is completed due to a great play by the WR, 45% of the time it is PI, 5% is it intercepted and 5% it is incomplete.

So you're saying 85% of the time it's a positive play for the offense. Why isn't everybody in the NFL just throwing it up there all the time with an 85% success rate? Where did you get those numbers.....link? or are you just being facetious and exaggerating? Also what happened to the other 5%?

[ Edited by Ramp19Stoner on Oct 15, 2010 at 20:59:16 ]

1. Smith threw it off his back foot (blocking was good)
2. Ginn is not Morgan and Morgan is not Ginn. Faster straight line speed receivers dont normally stop settle and adjust as well because they are faster and their primary goal is to outrun the DB and expect the QB to chuck it as far as he can.
3. That ball was not close enough to Ginn for him to be able to stop and adjust properly. The DB was able to do this because he was burnt and behind Ginn.
4. QB would be stupid to purposefully throw a jump ball when they have a receiver even with DB. That's considered open and you throw it in front especially in this case where the receiver isn't exactly tall or slow. Rant Moss in Monday nights game was not able to haul one in until Favre threw it far enough to allow Moss to run underneath it.


It was Smith's fault the moment he decided to do #1.

Maybe singletary will challenge his man hood next, Smith slaps singletary, then goes on to throw 2 more interceptions, then message board fans goes "its not alex smith's faulk, then they would say it was a team loss......

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by TDNiners:

Originally posted by Brew:
Wait so Alex is the one that wanted to come out?

No Sing benched him and then changed his mind.

I do not care how well Smith played after.... good coaches do not let players talk them out of something like that... Smith deserved to be benched and should of been.... I think Smith was freaked out if he got benched he would never start again in his career.

first off he will be signed instantaniously after season. second, bench him for who we he is the best option period. once we bench smith season is officially over. we still have a fighting chance. and third if its time to bench him why do our 2 biggest offensive stars want him in? because their friends. lmao