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Originally posted by dj43:
Personally I don't think the team is utilizing Lawson very well. They tried him for a pass rusher at the beginning of his rookie season but he was too light and inexperienced to do that. Since then they make his main job to seal the end on running plays and drop into coverage. Well, he does that well enough but I never see him turned loose to rush the passer. Give him some direction and freedom to rush the passer.

You may be right that the team is not utilizing him correctly. He's obviously a very good athlete. You are dead on with how we are using him...now, almost exclusively to set the edge (important job) and sometimes 20 yards down the field covering (WTH?). The problem is that perhaps, that's ALL he can do. I think his skill set matched with Manusky's scheme = average at best player. They did turn him lose last year from day one to pass rush. In fact, we even brought in a pass rush specialist to our coaching staff to help out. Using FO, both he and Haralson almost exclusively rushed the passer en route to stopping the run and rarely dropped back in zone. Results? Backups with 1/3rd of the snaps put up the same and better sack numbers and way more big plays. I never thought Lawson was a good fit for a 3-4 OLB or in the 3-4 in general. That's not his fault. But in terms of what WE need is, we need pass rushers and playmakers. Period. The Steelers are a perfect example of a team who is playing without it's Superbowl winning QB and they are 3-0 b/c of their defense! Woodley and Harrison already have 5 sacks and 10 total team sacks. I showed last year that most 3-4 defensive teams, the OLB's attribute 50% of their team's total sacks. The best teams hover around 55-60%. These are your playmakers...your game changers. Manny and Haralson will never be these types of players. Brooks "may" become one of those players...LaBoy used to be one of these players.

Originally posted by dj43:
As to OLB play; the defense has been too much like the offense = PREDICTABLE. If Brooks is to be the designated pass rusher, move him around. KC killed both A. Davis and Staley with Tamba Hali yesterday. He even came up the middle on a couple of stunts. THAT is the way the should use guys like Brooks, and Lawson if I am right about him.

I 100% agree with you on this one! But for the record, Lawson/Brooks are moved back and forth between the SAM and WILL...that said, Manusky doesn't use them like a Merriman where they are free to rush gaps (any gaps) up the gut, outside, standing up behind the LOS...it's a big issue I have with Manusky. Too vanilla. He needs to imploy a more dominant scheme ala Jets or start utilizing the personnel he has properly ala Pittsburgh. The "free" guy on our defense is Willis and TKO is used as his "defensive FB." If this was a 4-3 defense, that would make more sense IMHO...in the 3-4, the OLB's should be the free rushers/playmakers.

But I think at the end of the day, Brooks is a much better pass rusher then Lawson and that's what we need at this juncture. We have plenty of run stoppers back there...we NEED pass rushers.

Originally posted by dj43:
The fundamental disagreement I have with Singletary is that he carries his "impose your will" philosophy too far. A team can only play on emotions for so long and then they run out. The coaches' job is to give them more than just emotion. They need strategy, they need technique, they need tools to allow their physical ability to take over. Out of 16 games, you might win 2 or 3 on just emotional firepower alone but this league is just too tough to win on adrenal alone very often. You need toughness but toughness by itself will not win very many ball games, and that is what I see as the basic issue.

Obviously, you and I are in full agreement on this one as well.
Originally posted by truekingcarlos:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Wish list:
Lawson benched for Brooks (watch the flea flicker TD from yesterday; you will see an unblocked Manny lightly jogging towards Cassel as he throws the TD; think Favre last year - guy has ZERO heart). I'd rather have Brooks start, make some mistakes and grow into the starter. We KNOW what we have in Manny after four years. Period
I agree yesterday was not Lawson's best day but Brooks was BAD yesterday

Collectively, our OLB's got destroyed yesterday esp. with the screen calls they were running on us all day. But here is the issue...just like when Josh Morgan runs down the line, sets in a crouching position, the defense KNOWS it's a run up the middle. With Manusky, when he brings LaBoy/Brooks in on "obvious" pass rushing situations, to counter, they just throw a screen to the vacated area or run off tackle. BUT, that said, even though LaBoy missed that tackle for the TD, he and Brooks played hard the whole game. I never see intensity from Lawson/Haralson...ever. Let 'em take their lumps and grow into (or not) every down LB's so that we are less predictable on defense. The 3-4 defense requires play makers and pass rushers at the OLB position. Period. At this junction, we know what we have in both Haralson/Lawson. This is a defense dominated with them on the field and a secondary that continues to get exposed d/t a lack of pass rush. The good news is that even on a bad day, Brooks still blew up in the backfield and made a TFL on a screen. Hey, at least someone stopped a screen!
Personally I don't think the team is utilizing Lawson very well. They tried him for a pass rusher at the beginning of his rookie season but he was too light and inexperienced to do that. Since then they make his main job to seal the end on running plays and drop into coverage. Well, he does that well enough but I never see him turned loose to rush the passer. Give him some direction and freedom to rush the passer.

As to OLB play; the defense has been too much like the offense = PREDICTABLE. If Brooks is to be the designated pass rusher, move him around. KC killed both A. Davis and Staley with Tamba Hali yesterday. He even came up the middle on a couple of stunts. THAT is the way the should use guys like Brooks, and Lawson if I am right about him.

The fundamental disagreement I have with Singletary is that he carries his "impose your will" philosophy too far. A team can only play on emotions for so long and then they run out. The coaches' job is to give them more than just emotion. They need strategy, they need technique, they need tools to allow their physical ability to take over. Out of 16 games, you might win 2 or 3 on just emotional firepower alone but this league is just too tough to win on adrenal alone very often. You need toughness but toughness by itself will not win very many ball games, and that is what I see as the basic issue.
Very much agree. We lack a core identity that helps to define our overall strategic outlook. We can't strategize effectively and it sets us up for failures like we've had for our first three games. A coach must define the overall vision. The leader determines the general philosophical approach, gets into the minutiae necessary to implement the vision, communicates that vision to those responsible for implementing that vision in a clear and effective manner.

Vision, identity, and communication. That's what we are lacking.

I could not agree more, my friend!
Sing said in the presser that Spikes and Lewis getting benched is just a rumor, but didn't deny that changes could be made.
Originally posted by 76Razor:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49erman723:
MICHAEL LEWIS YOU HAVE TAYLOR MAYS LET HIM GET SOME TIME HE IS FASTER BIGGER STRONGER THIS IS TRULY KILLING ME PEOPLE LEWIS IS TOO SLOW AND CANT COVER SO Y NOT LET MAYS PLAY? HE WILL MAKE LESS MISTAKES THAN LEWIS!

WHO STOLE YOUR CAPS LOCK!!!!!????!!!

the same guy who stole is "period" and "comma" keys.

Or the same guy who took your "his" away....
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Sing said in the presser that Spikes and Lewis getting benched is just a rumor, but didn't deny that changes could be made.
I would expect that answer from a HC, but just as an observer of the game it's obvious there needs to be some serious personnel reevaluations.
Originally posted by CrankDatCrabtree:
Originally posted by truekingcarlos:
Sing says it's execution and not philosophy. If that's the case then players must be held accountable. If today is any indicator, it seems that, at least for now, the niners are serious about making demonstrable change, that would have to include who gets to start.

So the question is who gets benched and who gets the start? Beyond the obvious qb position, what other positions need to be addressed.

To me the most glaring one is Rachal and possibly Davis (RT)(bring Sims back for the short-term), followed by both safety positions. Someone else to consider is Haralson, who has provided little pass rush and seems susceptible to the screen pass.


RACHAL for sure...against the Saints our OL was stout..then Rachal comes in...ALSO Anthony DAVIS is starting to remind me of KWAME HARRIS.

I hate drafting babies...especially in the first round. DAVIS is freakin 20 YEARS OLD. He tried to punch someone in the kidneys yesterday


slow your horses no one was as bad as kwame...... bro the kid is 20! i bet most of us here were already in 1st grade when he was bord, shoot, i was already a niner fan! so give him a break obviously if you don't like men, you would take offense to a 320 lb man feeling you up!
I think this might be an overreach on defense. If Spikes gets benched for Bowman, we may gain more speed, but lose some of the veteran savvy needed. We all saw Bowman torched yesterday and then get a lecture afterwards.

Patterns of bad play should be the cause of a benching, not just a bad game when the whole team was off.
Originally posted by 49erman723:
MICHAEL LEWIS YOU HAVE TAYLOR MAYS LET HIM GET SOME TIME HE IS FASTER BIGGER STRONGER THIS IS TRULY KILLING ME PEOPLE LEWIS IS TOO SLOW AND CANT COVER SO Y NOT LET MAYS PLAY? HE WILL MAKE LESS MISTAKES THAN LEWIS!

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by 49erman723:
MICHAEL LEWIS YOU HAVE TAYLOR MAYS LET HIM GET SOME TIME HE IS FASTER BIGGER STRONGER THIS IS TRULY KILLING ME PEOPLE LEWIS IS TOO SLOW AND CANT COVER SO Y NOT LET MAYS PLAY? HE WILL MAKE LESS MISTAKES THAN LEWIS!

THANK YOU...Someone please listen.
Reggie Smith is better than Taylor Mays. A safety who cannot cover is a liability in this league.

He should start, not Lewis, and definitely not Mays--yet.
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Wish davis was on the active roster :-( We sit A.Smith for whom? David Carr??!!! LMAO. I'd rather see what Troy Smith can do.

youre pinning your hopes on a guy 31 other teams had a chance to sign and didnt
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by CrankDatCrabtree:
Originally posted by truekingcarlos:
Sing says it's execution and not philosophy. If that's the case then players must be held accountable. If today is any indicator, it seems that, at least for now, the niners are serious about making demonstrable change, that would have to include who gets to start.

So the question is who gets benched and who gets the start? Beyond the obvious qb position, what other positions need to be addressed.

To me the most glaring one is Rachal and possibly Davis (RT)(bring Sims back for the short-term), followed by both safety positions. Someone else to consider is Haralson, who has provided little pass rush and seems susceptible to the screen pass.


RACHAL for sure...against the Saints our OL was stout..then Rachal comes in...ALSO Anthony DAVIS is starting to remind me of KWAME HARRIS.

I hate drafting babies...especially in the first round. DAVIS is freakin 20 YEARS OLD. He tried to punch someone in the kidneys yesterday

that guy was grabbing his dick
Originally posted by Surly-Z:
Reggie Smith is better than Taylor Mays. A safety who cannot cover is a liability in this league.

He should start, not Lewis, and definitely not Mays--yet.

I could give less of a f**k about a "covering safety." Goldson has given up two huge plays and people on here feel he's a pretty good cover safety.

1) Pass to Colston where if Goldson turns the f**k around he easily bats the ball down.
2) A f**king flea flicker. COVER YOUR f**kING MAN.
Originally posted by Surly-Z:
Reggie Smith is better than Taylor Mays. A safety who cannot cover is a liability in this league.

He should start, not Lewis, and definitely not Mays--yet.

Agreed but at the sime time I saw Morgan Burnett get in the game for the packers today, and a few other teams have young safeties playing. Maybe Mays wouldn't be so bad? We probably need to try Reggie Smith first though.
Originally posted by Youngone:
Crabtree needs to be benched. Sorry but if you are involved in 4 out of 5 interceptions, that says enough.

with most of those passes very poorly thrown by alex smith i dont think most are crabtrees fault
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