Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
How dare we expect Alex Smith to throw TDs!
Hard to throw TDs' when you're laying on your back. For most of the Game Smith was running for his Life.
But hey whatever, you could do better so you must speak up and say venomous things.
I have an idea. Every one of you that thinks you can do better file your NFL paperwork and submit your name to Singletary. Maybe the change will have the Line protecting the QB better and maybe our Defense won't get carved up like a Xmas Turkey and maybe the playcalling will suddenly improve and maybe your Receivers will start catching the ones they get paid to catch.
Oh btw not all our Receivers are shat. Ziggy is the man. A pass that WAS high and the man reeled it in and CAUGHT THE F@KING THING... See now THAT is how you play the position. Not every Pass is going to be on the money. BUT it shouldn't have to be when you're PREPARED. Crabtree needs to sit his ass down and watch what Ziggy does.
I'm fed up with all the garbage being piled onto Smith. You take away the Int(caused because Tree "slipped" again) and Smith didn't do as horribly as y'all are makin it out to be.
But hey whatever you guys know the game better than the people who play it, so sh@tcan the lot of them and rebuild the team in your own images. I'll follow you but steel myself for decades of losing to follow.
~Ceadder
1) I agree that Smith was running for his life most of the game. But what did he do exactly in the times that he actually had time to make a play ? Nothing. How many opportunities did he squander on 3rd and short, throwing into coverage ? Or on a 2nd and long, with plenty of time to throw, opting for a 5 yard pass to a covered receiver ? Or how bout on a defensive offsides when he decided to run for 5 yards rather than test rookie safeties ? Or throw the ball away on a flea flicker ?
Sorry, but I cant excuse these things for a 6th year veteran who's supposed to be the future.
2)"Not every ball is going to be on the money". Yeah, but you'd expect the majority of them to be, no ? Is it sheer coincidence that Smith's balls get tipped more than any other QB's ? This is the same problem he had with Hostler, except that when Hill came into relieve him midway through the season, all these problems disappeared. Wait a minute, I smell conspiracy. I guess the receivers have a union led by Antonio Bryant. Since Bryant had issues with Smith back in 06, so does everyone else. Maybe something needs to be investigated.
3) The fact that you still think Smith had an "ok" game shows how low you've set your standards for him. A guy that cant move the chains or motivate his team is considered "serviceable" in your book. Sorry, bud, but those guys dont win SBs. I dont know when you started watching football, but there's no way you couldve gone through the Montana and Young years and still believe in the junk you type in these threads.....
I'm addressing 2 and then just a miniscule of 3 here.
2)Hill Passes COULDN'T get tipped. They were so listless the wind would keep them up. But he still threw 6 INTs' to 10 TDs' a season. So quit idolizing that buffoon. You just don't remember Hill's being tipped as much because there was no mustard on his Passes. With Alex MOST of his tips are due to the Receiver not hauling in the Pass and instead knocking it up. When it IS tipped by the Defense is that not a good play? I'll further address this after 3.
3)What are you on? Seriously?
I call out the other units because they fail. If I see Smith "fail" and everyone else is doing well then I will most DEFINITELY call Smith out. You mistake me for your average fan who doesn't have any idea of what's going on. Well you would be WRONG.
So now let me ask you this...
How come every team we face in your eyes cannot be good enough to take advantage of the other units to force events to go in their favor. No team played well enough to beat us straight up the way you go on about Smith.
Also how come EVERYBODY from the waterboy to the GM gets a pass and Smith is the bad guy?
You think I'm making excuses for Smith?
I KNOW you're making excuses for the rest of the team.
"If only we replaced Smith..."
Dude seriously take a step back and reassess. You really need to.
And it's 3 years going onto 4 not 5 years going onto 6. Learn how to count please.
~Ceadder
The common denominator between your argument, and mines, is Alex Smith. This isnt something that started this season, Ceadder. We've been going at it for the past 3-4 years, and it seems that management has done everything to fulfill YOUR requirements, only to get the same results. You guys wanted a stellar defense ? You pretty much got one. You wanted Smith to have viable options at WR and RB ? Well, you got them.
The only reason why I blame Smith over everything else is that you guys use the same argument to defend him, even though your variables have changed for the better. Whereas my argument has always been the same.
No matter what Smith has (or doesnt), he cant seem to take advantage of it. He still opts for the short pass, goes through his progressions too quickly, rolls out of the pocket unnecessarily and throws it away, etc. We could go back 3 years and you'll find a same exact quote from me then that you do now.
I dont need to point out other mistakes, because they're blatantly apparent. Im not excusing our oline, our poor playcalling, our defense, etc. But I am saying that we have a QB that doesnt have the ability to overcome these deficiencies. You know, Brady/Manning dont always have the best weapons, lines, etc. But they improvise, and Alex does not. He needs everything to be perfect in order to excel, and that my friend......does not lead to championships. Can you argue this point ?
NO SH@T?!!!!
Done everything? You're sure about that?
Are the Receivers catching Passes consistently?
Nope.
Is the Line solid on the Road as they are at home?
Nope.
Is the playcalling imaginative?
I stick up for Raye. You can only do so much to help your guys be successful. But in this instance? HELL NO! Please tell me WHY we went Screen after success to Westbrook? Same side of the ball?
Chilo cannot PULL for shat dude. He Pulled, he blocked Berry(I believe it was) for not even a second and Berry just disengaged and stood up Moran which blocked Frank successfully from getting yards.
Why did we abandon the Run? Because our Line was SHAT, and they asked Smith to perform a Xmas day miracle. No QB can outplay his Line. It will NEVER happen. There is a reason why Joe and Steve had their success.
THEY HAD CONSISTENT BLOCKING UP FRONT.
Did you watch NFL Countdown today?
They did a performance write up about a Steelers ILB. Had him go straight at a Dummy QB standing behind 1600 lbs of tackling dummies. He got through them in 2.6 seconds.
First thing I came away with was "If that were a real line, he wouldn't be near that quick". Then I saw our game and it was "Damn I hope we never see that guy with our Line looking like this".
Of course the guy at the center of this argument is Smith. But you want to change that guy out so we can continue this BS conversation about another QB.
Newsflash, before Smith was drafter I didn't want him. I wanted Rattay to stick around and address all the OTHER facets of this argument before we got a QB.
And I was pretty damned vocal about it too. I wanted the guy that just got busted for his 2nd DUI. Damn glad we didn't get him now.He was such a good pick that Cleveland got rid of him and the Jets are wishing they didn't get him.
I wanted weapons and protection for our QB whoever he is. If that makes me an apologist in your eyes? I can live with that stigma. It's never been about Smith from the very beginning. It's only that way because of the hand we dealt ourselves.
And the Line is not there but it WILL be. Regardless of how this season ends, we WILL be able to protect the QB. Whoever he is. I would like it to be Smith as much of a beating he's taken because of our brain trust. But if it's not I can be happy just the same.
While you run around with your chicken head cut off routine, I know why this team has failed year in and year out and I have been 100% right.
You can only hope to have this kind of insight ZRF. You're a reactionary. Nothing wrong with that, except you don't give clear thought to how to fix the issues.
QB is the LEAST of our concerns.
~Ceadder