WOW Steve Young #81 on 100 All Time best Players

Originally posted by Axl49:
The biggest travesty is that Bradshaw is gonna be ahead of Young I HATE the NFL and their East coast bias along with ESPN west coast gets no love from anybody.

yeah right bradshaw is a winner he's got more superbowls then young

Originally posted by samoan49er:

Originally posted by kingairta:
I'm fine with the spot given how many people played the game but to put players like Aikman and Bradshaw ahead is just mind boggling.

Heck Young paved the way for players like Michael Vick, Vince Young etc. QBs who you have to account for their legs as well as the arm.

We all love Young but come on, before Young there was Staubach and Tarkenton. Also, don't forget about Cunningham (not saying he's better than Young).

Thats my point they came first BUT Steve was and is a better player than Frank and Roger and its not who did it first but who did it best as a player. That goes to Steve Young EASY

Before anyone else get butt hurt about Youngs placement on the list, consider these:

1) The time and rules the person played; and

2) The teams they went against.

I love Young as much as the next 49er fan but try looking objectively at the list. (Although I must admit, I placed Young higher on that list....)

- 98

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Axl49:
Steve young is a far better player than Elway was. Young could have won 1 or 2 more rings if he didn't get hurt. Elway only won his rings because of his RB just like Brady only has rings cause of the tuck rule and Vintaries Leg. Not to mention Elway got smashed in in other super bowls where Young broke records at his Big dance and is the greatest QB performance ever at a Superbowl.

Steve Young played in all of 1 SB. John Elway played in 5 SB's and won 2. Yes they got smoked 3 times primarily because the Broncos had terrible defenses that got killed by Washington, NY, and the Niners. Elway got those teams into the SB's with amazing last minute drives against Cleveland.

John Elway was an amazing QB. Probably the greatest arm ever, could run, and leads the NFL I believe in all time comeback wins.

Steve Young is much better than #81 but he should not be ahead of John Elway.

My defense is young never had the chance to start a long career like Elway did. The AFC was weak in those days NFC was cream of crop and Young Had the best super bowl for a qb ever. Better athlete and more accurate than Elway. Had the TD record for WR/QB before manning broke it and he played half as long as Elway and other great QBs. Steve young was the complete package at QB end of story. Elway only one the big one after he had a great RB at his helm. Is kelly ahead of Young then becuase he went to 4 straight SB's?

Originally posted by superman49er:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by WestCoast:

Originally posted by Axl49:

Originally posted by SanFranAddic:
These kinds of list are always crap. Always biased toward the more recent players because those are the ones people know and have seen.

The NFL started in 1920, so there must be 10's of thousands of guys who have played in the league. To be considered one of the top 100 out of at least 20-30,000 players is pretty amazing.

I'm happy he made the list.

Michael Irvin is NOT better than Young neither is Elway or Marino which im sure will be on here. We are just saying give the man the respect he deserves 81 is way too low and there are lots of old school players on the list as of right now.

elway>young

take...that...BACK

elways and marino are both better than young....if people are gonna argue that despite his rings aikman is not better, than definitely marino is better..until favre broke a couple the last couple years, marino held almost every passing record there was, sorry guys, you cant say that aikmans rings dont matter and then say that marino isnt better bc he doesnt have any.........but 81 is still too low, he should be top 10 qb

Marino is better than young but not Elway I dont see it. He was very similar to young in he could run and was athletic but Young was better than him in every category besides arm strength. Favre only has the records becasue he played so long his rating isnt that good and throws way too many picks.

Originally posted by RageFury:
Seahawks fan here.

Come on, some of you guys are overly indignant about Young's ranking. He inherited a world-class team. He's ranked where he is for a reason. Saying he's automatically better than Peyton Manning...I don't think so. Take a look at the comments about Peyton on this QB power rankings article by Bill Simmons as an example of what I mean: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100902

"2. Peyton Manning, Colts
He maintains his "Don't bet against me in any nationally televised night game" status, as well as his "Don't ever throw my opponent into a tease or parlay" status and "If you're up by 17 with a quarter to go and you don't chop my head off and finish the game, I will absolutely drop three quick touchdowns on you, and you know I will" status."

That last part is hilarious, and oh so true. How many times have we seen Peyton drop a retarded number of touchdowns in a short timespan on someone? He has probably done it to every team in the league; and he has not had a supporting cast for his career like Young did, nor get to train behind Montana during his glory years like Young did.

Manning is better than Young. Young at 81 is the problem this is stupid low for the most complete player ever at that position. Top 3 qbs ever are Montana, Manning and Unitas or Brady.

The responses in this thread are hilarious. Steve would be fortunate to crack some Top 5 lists of just 9ers, and you people are crying that he's not all-time top 10 or 20 in NFL history...




[ Edited by IWASATTHECATCH on Sep 8, 2010 at 18:53:24 ]

Guy holds the Superbowl record for most TDs in a game (6), and there are 80 players better than him all time?

Right.

Retards.

Originally posted by Axl49:

Originally posted by RageFury:
Seahawks fan here.

Come on, some of you guys are overly indignant about Young's ranking. He inherited a world-class team. He's ranked where he is for a reason. Saying he's automatically better than Peyton Manning...I don't think so. Take a look at the comments about Peyton on this QB power rankings article by Bill Simmons as an example of what I mean: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100902

"2. Peyton Manning, Colts
He maintains his "Don't bet against me in any nationally televised night game" status, as well as his "Don't ever throw my opponent into a tease or parlay" status and "If you're up by 17 with a quarter to go and you don't chop my head off and finish the game, I will absolutely drop three quick touchdowns on you, and you know I will" status."

That last part is hilarious, and oh so true. How many times have we seen Peyton drop a retarded number of touchdowns in a short timespan on someone? He has probably done it to every team in the league; and he has not had a supporting cast for his career like Young did, nor get to train behind Montana during his glory years like Young did.

Manning is better than Young. Young at 81 is the problem this is stupid low for the most complete player ever at that position. Top 3 qbs ever are Montana, Manning and Unitas or Brady.

Manning is a pure pocket passer, Young was a much more versatile all around athlete and player that blossomed into a highly efficient and accurate passer later in his career. The fact that he spent the first third of his career in the USFL, playing for a pathetic Bucs, and then sitting behind Montana is unfairly held against him.

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by Axl49:
The biggest travesty is that Bradshaw is gonna be ahead of Young I HATE the NFL and their East coast bias along with ESPN west coast gets no love from anybody.

yeah right bradshaw is a winner he's got more superbowls then young

Bradshaw was a pedestrian QB at best that benefited from the Steelers defense and a strong running game.

Originally posted by fastforward:

Originally posted by superman49er:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by WestCoast:

Originally posted by Axl49:

Originally posted by SanFranAddic:
These kinds of list are always crap. Always biased toward the more recent players because those are the ones people know and have seen.

The NFL started in 1920, so there must be 10's of thousands of guys who have played in the league. To be considered one of the top 100 out of at least 20-30,000 players is pretty amazing.

I'm happy he made the list.

Michael Irvin is NOT better than Young neither is Elway or Marino which im sure will be on here. We are just saying give the man the respect he deserves 81 is way too low and there are lots of old school players on the list as of right now.

elway>young

take...that...BACK

elways and marino are both better than young....if people are gonna argue that despite his rings aikman is not better, than definitely marino is better..until favre broke a couple the last couple years, marino held almost every passing record there was, sorry guys, you cant say that aikmans rings dont matter and then say that marino isnt better bc he doesnt have any.........but 81 is still too low, he should be top 10 qb

I'd rank Marino, Elway, Young in that order, but Aikman over Young? No way.

This is probably right. Even though (I know I know) Marino did not get there he is better than almost all. Not Joe of course, but he is better than Steve. Steve had to be bought a Superbowl by Eddie. And he just seemed to not succeed in the playoffs.

Aikman < Young. Aikman had to have super line and Emmit to succeed.

Originally posted by IWASATTHECATCH:
The responses in this thread are hilarious. Steve would be fortunate to crack some Top 5 lists of just 9ers, and you people are crying that he's not all-time top 10 or 20 in NFL history...

I agree, the bias in this thread is just too funny. I LOVE Steve Young. Hes one of the best QBs I've ever seen. But he wasn't a regular starter until the age of 31! It certainly wasn't his fault but you can't put a player(who in some ways), only played half a career, too much higher than that. He was only a full-time starter from age 31-37. Outside of maybe Gale Sayers, you won't see too many other guys higher who played in a shorter window than that. SO many people are forgetting this.

Then I love the hypocrisy of the Joe Montana/Terry Bradshaw/Troy Aikman conversations here. People rip Aikman/Bradshaw in this thread because hes just listed for "winning super bowls." LOL Hello! The same group will turn around and praise Montana and say hes a winner and won of the best every BECAUSE of his rings! Montana was great, but take away 3 super bowl wins and hes way down on this list. Statistically he doesn't blow anyone away with his career totals or peak seasons. Moon, Favre, Marino, Tarkenton and Manning all have more TD passes. Guys like Testaverde and Bledsoe have more passing yards. As for his peak totals, he threw for more than 28 TDs in a season once. And the day he hit 30, he became pretty fragile and missed a lot of time with various injuries.

Still an all-time great, but its funny when people knock Aikman/Bradshaw for the very thing that they prop Montana up for.

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by Axl49:

Originally posted by RageFury:
Seahawks fan here.

Come on, some of you guys are overly indignant about Young's ranking. He inherited a world-class team. He's ranked where he is for a reason. Saying he's automatically better than Peyton Manning...I don't think so. Take a look at the comments about Peyton on this QB power rankings article by Bill Simmons as an example of what I mean: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100902

"2. Peyton Manning, Colts
He maintains his "Don't bet against me in any nationally televised night game" status, as well as his "Don't ever throw my opponent into a tease or parlay" status and "If you're up by 17 with a quarter to go and you don't chop my head off and finish the game, I will absolutely drop three quick touchdowns on you, and you know I will" status."

That last part is hilarious, and oh so true. How many times have we seen Peyton drop a retarded number of touchdowns in a short timespan on someone? He has probably done it to every team in the league; and he has not had a supporting cast for his career like Young did, nor get to train behind Montana during his glory years like Young did.

Manning is better than Young. Young at 81 is the problem this is stupid low for the most complete player ever at that position. Top 3 qbs ever are Montana, Manning and Unitas or Brady.

Manning is a pure pocket passer, Young was a much more versatile all around athlete and player that blossomed into a highly efficient and accurate passer later in his career. The fact that he spent the first third of his career in the USFL, playing for a pathetic Bucs, and then sitting behind Montana is unfairly held against him.

Manning is better than Young, without a doubt. Just because Young is more "versatile" doesn't mean he's better. Manning is much better.

~Dann~

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by Axl49:

Originally posted by RageFury:
Seahawks fan here.

Come on, some of you guys are overly indignant about Young's ranking. He inherited a world-class team. He's ranked where he is for a reason. Saying he's automatically better than Peyton Manning...I don't think so. Take a look at the comments about Peyton on this QB power rankings article by Bill Simmons as an example of what I mean: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100902

"2. Peyton Manning, Colts
He maintains his "Don't bet against me in any nationally televised night game" status, as well as his "Don't ever throw my opponent into a tease or parlay" status and "If you're up by 17 with a quarter to go and you don't chop my head off and finish the game, I will absolutely drop three quick touchdowns on you, and you know I will" status."

That last part is hilarious, and oh so true. How many times have we seen Peyton drop a retarded number of touchdowns in a short timespan on someone? He has probably done it to every team in the league; and he has not had a supporting cast for his career like Young did, nor get to train behind Montana during his glory years like Young did.

Manning is better than Young. Young at 81 is the problem this is stupid low for the most complete player ever at that position. Top 3 qbs ever are Montana, Manning and Unitas or Brady.

Manning is a pure pocket passer, Young was a much more versatile all around athlete and player that blossomed into a highly efficient and accurate passer later in his career. The fact that he spent the first third of his career in the USFL, playing for a pathetic Bucs, and then sitting behind Montana is unfairly held against him.

Manning is better than Young, without a doubt. Just because Young is more "versatile" doesn't mean he's better. Manning is much better.

~Dann~

I think Manning is a better QB than Steve Young too, but if I could build a franchise after one player in NFL history, it'd be Steve Young.

The man in his prime is a nightmare to gameplan for. Yes, I know Manning is like a coach on the field, but how do you gameplan against Steve Young? He's a great pocket passer, but his ability to move out of the pocket and scramble makes him so dangerous. Put those two together and have a great offensive coordinator and surrounding cast, that offense is unstoppable.

It's kind of a weird response, but I just think that you can do so much more with Steve Young as your QB.