Put Nate Davis on the practice squad

Originally posted by ttime1:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ttime1:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
he would get snatched i think. but like some have said. alex learned most of the systems, enough to atleast function even when it was changed on him every year. this dude was in the same offense two years and hes still lost and having to improv all day. his tools are worth developing but he needs to get a better work ethic if hes gonna stick around on singletarys team.

Totally untrue. Alex did not know the playbook last year which is the reason why he often rolled right. It is the reason why his college coach said that it would take time for Alex to grasp the playbook and become completely functional.

The double standard here is rediculous as Alex's challenges to learn the playbook is very well doccumented. Moreover, Davis has had very little time actually playing qb as he spent the majority of his time being a DB during practice. Never the less, it amazes me that some folks will make a quantum leap to conclude that he does not know any plays.

I can't speak for anyone else but I recall the coaches saying that Davis had only about 6 plays at the end of TC last year. Singletary also said he was FAR from ready to play now.

Off season is when players learn the playbook. TC and PS are when they begin to get the timing down. However, if a player doesn't know the plays, it does no good to put him in the mix to get the timing down on a play he doesn't know.

Now compare that straight across the board to Alex Smith and you will find that BOTH players have had the same amount of time to learn Jimmy Raye's offense. Smith has it. Davis doesn't.

Come on DJ...I know that you are much brighter than to suggest that one player who has had either first or second string reps in an offense + 10 games as a starter does not have an advantage over another player who has gotten maybe 5% of the reps? I guarantee you that if it was the other way around that Nate would know the playbook better than Alex.

I am not talking about what the player does ON the field. I am talking about what they do OFF the field, which is what Singletary was mentioning. Last year he only knew 6 plays by the end of TC. This year he STILL doesn't know enough plays to even be on the field.

I hope this is a wakeup call for him because his arm strength and agility are intriguing but they count for nothing if your work ethic keeps you at third string behind a castoff QB that is now with his fourth team in 6 years - not good.

Um I'd rather put Alex on the practice squad, hahaha. The sad thing is I'm serious.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I for one hope we cut Nate Davis before we ruin his career like we did Jason Hill. Anyone who can't see Davis is a much much much better QB than Carr is just blind. The fact is, Sing is afraid of a guy like Nate because he is a big armed, improve, gun slinger. Sing likes QBs that he can control and above all else protect the football even if that means going 3 and out most of the game. I really like Sing, but he is hard headed and has very strick perameters on how a QB should act in his system.

Run the ball, stop the run, dont turn it over. That is his formula.

I got flamed in another thread for saying Davis has more natural physical talent and instincts that both Carr and Smith. I still think it's true, but that isn't enough to be a successful QB. You have to master the playbook and have the adjustments, etc., down pat.

That is where Nate is falling behind and that is going to be the case no matter when he plays. If he can't absorb the playbook and protections here after two years, it's not likely he will do it elsewhere.

Originally posted by ttime1:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by ttime1:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ttime1:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
he would get snatched i think. but like some have said. alex learned most of the systems, enough to atleast function even when it was changed on him every year. this dude was in the same offense two years and hes still lost and having to improv all day. his tools are worth developing but he needs to get a better work ethic if hes gonna stick around on singletarys team.

Totally untrue. Alex did not know the playbook last year which is the reason why he often rolled right. It is the reason why his college coach said that it would take time for Alex to grasp the playbook and become completely functional.

The double standard here is rediculous as Alex's challenges to learn the playbook is very well doccumented. Moreover, Davis has had very little time actually playing qb as he spent the majority of his time being a DB during practice. Never the less, it amazes me that some folks will make a quantum leap to conclude that he does not know any plays.

I can't speak for anyone else but I recall the coaches saying that Davis had only about 6 plays at the end of TC last year. Singletary also said he was FAR from ready to play now.

Off season is when players learn the playbook. TC and PS are when they begin to get the timing down. However, if a player doesn't know the plays, it does no good to put him in the mix to get the timing down on a play he doesn't know.

Now compare that straight across the board to Alex Smith and you will find that BOTH players have had the same amount of time to learn Jimmy Raye's offense. Smith has it. Davis doesn't.

Come on DJ...I know that you are much brighter than to suggest that one player who has had either first or second string reps in an offense + 10 games as a starter does not have an advantage over another player who has gotten maybe 5% of the reps? I guarantee you that if it was the other way around that Nate would know the playbook better than Alex.

last year smith started as the backup until around game 6 i believe. smith was studying hard and davis was either studying and not getting it or just not studying. singletary bashed him last week about not spending enough time learning the offense. say what you want about smith but he is one of the hardest workers on the team and many have said so already.

See...you are making an irrelevant arguement. I am not even suggesting that Smith has not worked hard. What I'm saying if I wante to teach you how to drive a car; for instance and put you in the driver's seat, you will likely do much better than if you rarely got behind the wheel and spent the majority of your time in the back seat. I don't care how much time you spend in the book, common sense demands that the more reps you get the better your understanding. Which is why the starting QB gets the vast majority of the reps. Sing also said that Davis was now working his tale off to learn the playbook and it is interesting that critics forget that part.

actually what i meant was that alex was not the starter at the time and he still put in the work to learn the playbook while davis, by singletary blasting him last week apparently didnt. they were both starting the season last year as backups, the only difference was davis didnt put in the time and learn the plays and alex did. so my irrelevant argument is very relevant since last year was the first year in rayes offense, both men had the opportunity to start at the exact same time learning the plays. alex did, nate didnt.

I think the Nate Davis supporters are confusing book study with on field practice. I think everyone here can accept that it is ok that Nate Davis lacks timing and some of the other things that you learn in practice on the field. Where Nate Davis is underperforming is on the book study side of being a QB. I can guarantee you that if Nate Davis was picked up by another team, he isn't going to be getting many practice reps as that team's 3rd string QB. For him to get prepared for that team, he is going to have to learn as much as he can from the playbook. So if you are a team looking for another QB for your 53 man roster, do you grab a player that has already shown that he doesn't develop well by reading a playbook? Would you really want to put him on the field for your team? Or if you really needed to play a third string QB, would you instead grab some aging vet that at least knows what it takes to play in the NFL.

When it comes to the argument that Nate Davis has too much physical talent to be on the PS, keep in mind there is a list a mile long of players with cannon arms that failed to succeed in the NFL. Physical talent alone won't ensure success in this league.

Originally posted by fryet:
For those that think I am a troll, I am an established vet on this forum - I don't start troll posts. I do like to "think outside the box", so I do propose ideas that others may deem "crazy".

I find it funny for those posters who think that Nate Davis could start for Cleveland by week 3. I think Indy is a more reasonable scenario. Supposedly they have a small playbook, and might be more willing to sacrifice a spot for a person to groom behind Manning.

One thing to consider about Davis being poor at protection calls. This was against a vanilla defense. Imagine him being a starter, facing a defense designed to beat him, and using his weakness at protections against him. It would get ugly fast. I think that is the reason that even though Carr had a bad game, the 49ers still have Carr as their 2nd QB. Let's just hope that Smith doesn't get hurt...

Here’s the deal

This entire scenario is based on dumping your 3rd qb to open a roster spot.

Why it doesn’t make sense.

The team will have 3 qb’s no matter what so if you put him on the PS they would have to sign someone else who has no idea of the playbook.

A 3rd qb is never part of the active 45 players who dress the exception is that they dress and would only enter the game if the 1 and 2 guys were injured.

There are 7 other in-active players that don’t dress on game day so worrying about the 3rd qb spot to plug someone else in is a waist of time you have 7 other spots you could choose from to send guys back and forth like your 6th CB or WR or ST dude.

Do you see why this whole thing is silly?

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This entire scenario is based on dumping your 3rd qb to open a roster spot.

Yeah, dumping a no studying, lazy player who can easily be replaced. I still think if I was GM I'd seriously think about it. But, only if they are really down on Davis, otherwise just stand pat.

Originally posted by mayo63:

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This entire scenario is based on dumping your 3rd qb to open a roster spot.

Yeah, dumping a no studying, lazy player who can easily be replaced. I still think if I was GM I'd seriously think about it. But, only if they are really down on Davis, otherwise just stand pat.

i think you're taking Singletary's comments about Davis as too much of a gospel, and taking them too far.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by mayo63:

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This entire scenario is based on dumping your 3rd qb to open a roster spot.

Yeah, dumping a no studying, lazy player who can easily be replaced. I still think if I was GM I'd seriously think about it. But, only if they are really down on Davis, otherwise just stand pat.

i think you're taking Singletary's comments about Davis as too much of a gospel, and taking them too far.

In Niner Talk?!?!? I'm shocked, amazed, and outraged!

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by mayo63:

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This entire scenario is based on dumping your 3rd qb to open a roster spot.

Yeah, dumping a no studying, lazy player who can easily be replaced. I still think if I was GM I'd seriously think about it. But, only if they are really down on Davis, otherwise just stand pat.

i think you're taking Singletary's comments about Davis as too much of a gospel, and taking them too far.

In Niner Talk?!?!? I'm shocked, amazed, and outraged!

i thought i told you to stay at the bar? who let you off your leash? and how did you get that ball out of your mouth?

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by mayo63:

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This entire scenario is based on dumping your 3rd qb to open a roster spot.

Yeah, dumping a no studying, lazy player who can easily be replaced. I still think if I was GM I'd seriously think about it. But, only if they are really down on Davis, otherwise just stand pat.

i think you're taking Singletary's comments about Davis as too much of a gospel, and taking them too far.

Why did he say it then if it wasn't true? Is Singletary into making stuff up to motivate his players? Davis is starting to disappoint and he has no one to blame but himself. He's lazy and doesn't want to study. I'll go by what Sing said.

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:

Here’s the deal

This entire scenario is based on dumping your 3rd qb to open a roster spot.

Why it doesn’t make sense.

The team will have 3 qb’s no matter what so if you put him on the PS they would have to sign someone else who has no idea of the playbook.

A 3rd qb is never part of the active 45 players who dress the exception is that they dress and would only enter the game if the 1 and 2 guys were injured.

There are 7 other in-active players that don’t dress on game day so worrying about the 3rd qb spot to plug someone else in is a waist of time you have 7 other spots you could choose from to send guys back and forth like your 6th CB or WR or ST dude.

Do you see why this whole thing is silly?

Thanks for the reasoned response. In what I am proposing, the 49ers don't have a third QB on their roster. If they lost both QBs in the game, they would have to go to some emergency QB situation like MRob. Of course, if one QB got injured in a game, you would elevate Nate Davis from the practice squad to the 53 man roster the next game. Is there a risk having only 2 QB on your 53 man roster? Yes there is, but other teams have done it in the past, so it is not a totally crazy idea.

I do understand that the 3rd QB does not count against your 45 player game limit, but it does count against your 53 man roster, which may be a tough situation this year. If you have confidence that a player can make it to the practice squad, then it makes sense to place that player on the practice squad to save a player that would probably get snatched up. Most of the debate on this thread is on whether Nate Davis would make it to the practice squad or not.

Nope...need to take what these coaches say with a grain of salt. They know what they have in Nate...but why rush him... let him learn...while Alex is still here. No way he hits the PS.

Originally posted by mayo63:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by mayo63:

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This entire scenario is based on dumping your 3rd qb to open a roster spot.

Yeah, dumping a no studying, lazy player who can easily be replaced. I still think if I was GM I'd seriously think about it. But, only if they are really down on Davis, otherwise just stand pat.

i think you're taking Singletary's comments about Davis as too much of a gospel, and taking them too far.

Why did he say it then if it was not true. Is Singletary into making stuff up to motivate his players? Davis is starting to disappoint and he has no one to blame but himself.

Davis obviously isn't where Sing wants him to be, and, yes, his words were meant as motivation, IMO. I don't think they were lies but I don't think you can really read those words as "Nate Davis is a lazy moron who can be easily replaced." If the coaches thought that they would have brought in a legit 3rd QB and wouldn't be so concerned with his development.

They wanted to see if Davis could challenge Carr for the #2 spot, and he wasn't ready yet. But he was pencilled in as the #3 all summer, and I see no reason why that would change now.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by mayo63:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by mayo63:

Quote:
This entire scenario is based on dumping your 3rd qb to open a roster spot.

Yeah, dumping a no studying, lazy player who can easily be replaced. I still think if I was GM I'd seriously think about it. But, only if they are really down on Davis, otherwise just stand pat.

i think you're taking Singletary's comments about Davis as too much of a gospel, and taking them too far.

Why did he say it then if it was not true. Is Singletary into making stuff up to motivate his players? Davis is starting to disappoint and he has no one to blame but himself.

Davis obviously isn't where Sing wants him to be, and, yes, his words were meant as motivation, IMO. I don't think they were lies but I don't think you can really read those words as "Nate Davis is a lazy moron who can be easily replaced." If the coaches thought that they would have brought in a legit 3rd QB and wouldn't be so concerned with his development.

They wanted to see if Davis could challenge Carr for the #2 spot, and he wasn't ready yet. But he was pencilled in as the #3 all summer, and I see no reason why that would change now.

Fair enough.