a Thought on Alex Smith and the Bust title | Page 3

SashRoxx-1 · 2010-08-24T06:47:06-07:00

OK 1st I want to say these are my reason for saying Alex Smith will succeed in the NFL rather than be a bust as MOST Niner fans have labeled him... ok going by record alone you cant label a player in a team sport a bust...I mean for those of you that are Giants fans would you call M Cain a Lousy pitcher? Look at his W-L record 54-61 in his career...For those that are Warrior fans is Steven Curry a Lousy basketball player? His team record shows he is...for those that cant see where Im getting at here Im not saying that Alex is as good as Matt Cain or Steven Curry but what I am saying is it's more then judging a guy by his record. Now lets look at this for a moment. Alex Smith had a MISERABLE rookie season..true but does that make him a bust? As Ive said MANY MANY times...that team was so bad they should have been the 1st team to go 0-16..somehow the team won what 4 games that year? OK now lets see with the team the Niners had in 05 Seriously would ANY QB have helped them? No even Joe Montana would have looked bad on that team...You cant look good if you're running for you life on every passing down...Steve Young may have looked decent? and that's only because of his scrambling abilities. But for the most part you cant really blame Alex Smith his rookie year cause the whole team was a JOKE. In any case I wont say a QB that's starting for a lousy team a BUST... the WHOLE team was a Bust...Look at Troy Aikman as a rookie did he fair well? He didn't have a bad career though...And I couldn't stand the guy til I met him and got to actually sit down and talk to him...I gained alot of respect for T Aikman. Year 2 Alex Smith went from 1 TD and 11 Ints to 16 TDs and 16 Int. a HUGE Improvement over the year before and his QB rating almost doubled. Year 3 Alex Smith loses N Turner as OC...who I think Alex Smith would have taken off under had he stayed on as OC. In any case Alex Smith made a Big jump in 06 from his disastrous rookie season. Now getting on with season 3 in 07...Yes he had lousy numbers...under 50 pct pass completions but lets take a look at the season. He didn't start off bad not really anything to write home about but definitely not LOUSY. The guy Separates his shoulder and tries to come back early to help the team while his HC is Bashing him...A QB with a separated shoulder is heading for disaster if he tries playing...in my opinion the guy should have not tried coming back especially with basically a lost season anyway. I don't know of many QBs that would be able to play with a separated shoulder and look good. So is he really a Bust? He's had a disastrous season (Not all his fault) and a pretty good season. year 3 he played 3 games before getting hurt where he was OK and then he played with a torn up shoulder after that...I will give him the benefit of the doubt there. Season 4 He pays for his coming back early the year before has surgery on his shoulder and is shelved w/o even taking a snap...cant say he's a bust when he cant even get on the field due to injury. that brings us to last year prorated his season would have looked like this 3418 yds, 26 TDs a QB rating of 81.5 Hmmmm look at B Favre...and as much as I HATE him you cant say he's a lousy QB but look at his QB rating he's got several (6) years with a QB rating below 81.5 So it looks to me like you give him the weapons he needs and Alex Smith will do just fine. Seriously how good of a QB would Joe Montana be if his best receiver was Brandon Llyod? The reason Montana was so good is he had a great sounding cast with him...For those that don't think Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Roger Craig, Russ Francis, and for the most part a solid OLine, etc help Joe Montana be the Hall of Fame QB he was don,t know much about TEAM sports. Now Alex Smith has Micheal Crabtree, Vernon Davis, F Gore and B Westbrook... If he has a bad year this year then you all might have a point...still even with all those weapons if his OLine cant protect him you can have 2 J Rices and 2 R Craigs and that might not help but from what I saw this past week the OLine looked ok... And please if you want to show the other side of Alex Smith please don't just say Sashroxx you're an idiot you don't know what you're talking about show me WHY your point is right and mine is flawed

Aug 24, 2010 at 1:03 PM

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Joecool
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I still don't understand the key reason for drafting him over Rogers: athleticism.

Rogers has shown much more athletic ability than Smith in terms of mobility and arm strength.

Everyone knew Rogers was more NFL ready but the athleticism Smith supposedly had over Aaron was the difference maker.

Boy was that an incorrect evaluation.

[ Edited by Joecool on Aug 24, 2010 at 1:04 PM ]

Aug 24, 2010 at 1:13 PM

#32

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Originally posted by Joecool:
I still don't understand the key reason for drafting him over Rogers: athleticism.

Rogers has shown much more athletic ability than Smith in terms of mobility and arm strength.

Everyone knew Rogers was more NFL ready but the athleticism Smith supposedly had over Aaron was the difference maker.

Boy was that an incorrect evaluation.

Thanks for your opinion Joe, how was JTO's athletic ability compared to Smith's? The common consensus with the Smith/Rodgers debate was basically flip a coin. I think it was true too, I think you flip the script on these two and they'd turn out the same. Rodgers just got lucky and didn't have to start for the worst team in the NFL his rookie season under a coach that had no idea what he was doing. It was just a bad year to be picking #1.

Aug 24, 2010 at 1:34 PM

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i do agree that if norv turner stayed the offensive coordinator he would have become a top ten qb in the league (the ladder top ten 8 9 or 10) but who knows if sing would have kept norv on as a coordinator? i think he would have because he did emphasize more of a run balanced and bootleg type of offense that has to do allot with the play action.

oh yeah nolan had to go so who knows who wouldve been the head coach? perhaps holmgren or shanahan (i can only dream of that though)

gore would maybe been an mvp also

[ Edited by montananinerfan on Aug 24, 2010 at 1:36 PM ]

Aug 24, 2010 at 1:36 PM

#34

Joecool
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I still don't understand the key reason for drafting him over Rogers: athleticism.

Rogers has shown much more athletic ability than Smith in terms of mobility and arm strength.

Everyone knew Rogers was more NFL ready but the athleticism Smith supposedly had over Aaron was the difference maker.

Boy was that an incorrect evaluation.

Thanks for your opinion Joe, how was JTO's athletic ability compared to Smith's? The common consensus with the Smith/Rodgers debate was basically flip a coin. I think it was true too, I think you flip the script on these two and they'd turn out the same. Rodgers just got lucky and didn't have to start for the worst team in the NFL his rookie season under a coach that had no idea what he was doing. It was just a bad year to be picking #1.

I'm not comparing their careers, just pointing out that the analysis that Smith is the better athlete was incorrect as we have seen on the field. Rogers looks much quicker, has a quicker release and a stronger arm. I'm just saying, looking back, the "reason" McCloughan used to why we picked him was incorrect.

Being on a better team won't make Smith quicker or his arm stronger.

Aug 24, 2010 at 1:42 PM

#35

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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I still don't understand the key reason for drafting him over Rogers: athleticism.

Rogers has shown much more athletic ability than Smith in terms of mobility and arm strength.

Everyone knew Rogers was more NFL ready but the athleticism Smith supposedly had over Aaron was the difference maker.

Boy was that an incorrect evaluation.

Thanks for your opinion Joe, how was JTO's athletic ability compared to Smith's? The common consensus with the Smith/Rodgers debate was basically flip a coin. I think it was true too, I think you flip the script on these two and they'd turn out the same. Rodgers just got lucky and didn't have to start for the worst team in the NFL his rookie season under a coach that had no idea what he was doing. It was just a bad year to be picking #1.

I'm not comparing their careers, just pointing out that the analysis that Smith is the better athlete was incorrect as we have seen on the field. Rogers looks much quicker, has a quicker release and a stronger arm. I'm just saying, looking back, the "reason" McCloughan used to why we picked him was incorrect.

Being on a better team won't make Smith quicker or his arm stronger.

I feel like everyone brings up these two attributes when discussing Smith. He IS quick...much more mobile than we give him credit for. Everyone bashes him when he rolls out of the pocket and then we criticize his quickness. It makes no sense. His arm strength is more than suitable for an NFL Qb. He doesn't have Nate's arm (not even close) but who cares? He has plenty of arm strength to air it out. I don't mean to pick on you and trust me, I know exactly the argument you're trying to make with the Rodgers comparison. However, I just think we criticize Smith's physical tools a little too much.

Aug 24, 2010 at 1:54 PM

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forget all these fans on here. They are all blinded by the fact that we haven't had a winning season since early last decade. I feel exactly the same way that you do about Alex. No. 1 pick overall or not, this is a team sport. We had a terrible O line, Bad head coach and virtually no philosophy whatsoever. All I have to say is this season will determine everything you need to know about Alex Smith and his careeer. If he doesn't succeed than he is a bust.

Aug 24, 2010 at 1:55 PM

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Alex Smith sucks...deep down everyone on the zone knows that...but hes the best qb on the roster, and really our only option right now. Sad but true!

Aug 24, 2010 at 2:10 PM

#38

skynet907
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oh it's this thread again.

Aug 24, 2010 at 2:25 PM

#39

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Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
I don't think most on here would call him a bust. I think most are disappointed with his performance to date. I mean, we didn't draft this guy 1st overall to be average...

I agree with this. I think the timing was bad. The 49ers were the worst I have ever seen and we all wanted to see a hero carry this team and Alex didn't/couldn't do it.

I really believe very few QB's could have stepped in like Alex and win (or even play average) from the get go.

i hate the comparison to Rodgers debate. Rodgers sat on the bench which helped him a lot. Its proven to work bc look at Vince Young now as an example

It seems everybody passes over the fact that Alex was the youngest player drafted that year. It really is to much to ask a kid to come into the NFL and play the most important position on offense without ANY time on the sidelines to learn the craft.

Aug 24, 2010 at 2:41 PM

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Originally posted by D_Niner:
I don't think most on here would call him a bust. I think most are disappointed with his performance to date. I mean, we didn't draft this guy 1st overall to be average...

This. And Aaron Rodgers just makes it worse, but i dont think Smith is a bust

Aug 24, 2010 at 2:49 PM

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Mr.Mcgibblets
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Originally posted by Joecool:
I still don't understand the key reason for drafting him over Rogers: athleticism.

Rogers has shown much more athletic ability than Smith in terms of mobility and arm strength.

Everyone knew Rogers was more NFL ready but the athleticism Smith supposedly had over Aaron was the difference maker.

Boy was that an incorrect evaluation.

I was under the impression that the slight favor to Alex was that Nolan and McC felt he had the better... disposition of the two?

Aug 24, 2010 at 2:58 PM

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Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by D-NOTTE:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
I don't think most on here would call him a bust. I think most are disappointed with his performance to date. I mean, we didn't draft this guy 1st overall to be average...

Is he even average?

He ain't no Jamarcus Russell!

- 98

but pretty close...

Aug 24, 2010 at 2:59 PM

#43

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Originally posted by D-NOTTE:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
I don't think most on here would call him a bust. I think most are disappointed with his performance to date. I mean, we didn't draft this guy 1st overall to be average...

Is he even average?

In case you're purposely forgetting last year he played better than average,he played good football and that's why he's the starter going into this season.

With the Defense they have Alex just needs to take that good and move it up a couple of notches and they're in the playoffs.

Go Niners

Aug 24, 2010 at 3:01 PM

#44

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Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by D-NOTTE:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
I don't think most on here would call him a bust. I think most are disappointed with his performance to date. I mean, we didn't draft this guy 1st overall to be average...

Is he even average?

He ain't no Jamarcus Russell!

- 98

but pretty close...

David Carr? Oh no question.

Aug 24, 2010 at 3:22 PM

#45

whiskywarlord
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Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I still don't understand the key reason for drafting him over Rogers: athleticism.

Rogers has shown much more athletic ability than Smith in terms of mobility and arm strength.

Everyone knew Rogers was more NFL ready but the athleticism Smith supposedly had over Aaron was the difference maker.

Boy was that an incorrect evaluation.

I was under the impression that the slight favor to Alex was that Nolan and McC felt he had the better... disposition of the two?

i think the word they used was, "coachable" if im not mistaken