Brandon Jones RELEASED

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by 49ersrgolden:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Gavintech...Worth is a relative term.

Zeigler has shown "worth" because he has shown the ability to return punts.

You can stop right there. HE HAS NOT. He's shown that he's no better than anyone would be. He's shown absolutely nothing to prove any worth what-so-ever. He's proved that he can't judge the ball and muffs them when they come down for two preseasons. Just because they want him to good at it, doesn't mean he's shown anything to give the idea he will be.

Ziggy is making plays everyday and so has reggie smith...i say lets see what ziggy can do in a game

We have. I don't see how he's magically going to be able to return punts/kicks when he was never able to do it in the past, in college and the pros, and has failed when given the chance in 2008 and 2009, in college and the pros.

Like I've been saying:

Quote:
Singletary's Notebook: Aug. 19
Posted 2 hours ago

On whether he would consider Zeigler as a punt returner:
“You know, he’s more of an emergency guy for us, but I know there are a couple of things about Zeigler. He is a very dependable guy; he has been up to this point. So its certainty a situation which if we had to we would.”

On Zeigler’s willingness to go across the middle and make a catch:
“He is a unique guy. He is very unselfish and he doesn’t mind going across the middle, going underneath, doing some of the dirty work. He is a guy that does everything for us. He wears a lot of different hats. He can play any of the receiver positions, gives us some flexibility and he’s really good on special teams as well. So he gives us flexibility at that position.”

Just admit you were wrong, and that your opinion has nothing to do with how the coaching staff sees Zeigler...then we can get on to other things.

OMG a coach talked positively about one of his players! Cause' that never happens. What never happens is the opposite. All the ever do is speak highly of everyone on the roster. They don't even change that tune after they cut/trade a guy.

So even though the head coach says very directly and clearly that Zeigler will be used as a punt returner if needed, that he's dependable in that role and that "he’s really good on special teams as well," you still believe that Zeigler has shown "NO WORTH" as a punt returner....that Singletary is just saying "positive things," but doesn't really mean it.

Is that correct?

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by 49ersrgolden:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Gavintech...Worth is a relative term.

Zeigler has shown "worth" because he has shown the ability to return punts.

You can stop right there. HE HAS NOT. He's shown that he's no better than anyone would be. He's shown absolutely nothing to prove any worth what-so-ever. He's proved that he can't judge the ball and muffs them when they come down for two preseasons. Just because they want him to good at it, doesn't mean he's shown anything to give the idea he will be.

Ziggy is making plays everyday and so has reggie smith...i say lets see what ziggy can do in a game

We have. I don't see how he's magically going to be able to return punts/kicks when he was never able to do it in the past, in college and the pros, and has failed when given the chance in 2008 and 2009, in college and the pros.

Like I've been saying:

Quote:
Singletary's Notebook: Aug. 19
Posted 2 hours ago

On whether he would consider Zeigler as a punt returner:
“You know, he’s more of an emergency guy for us, but I know there are a couple of things about Zeigler. He is a very dependable guy; he has been up to this point. So its certainty a situation which if we had to we would.”

On Zeigler’s willingness to go across the middle and make a catch:
“He is a unique guy. He is very unselfish and he doesn’t mind going across the middle, going underneath, doing some of the dirty work. He is a guy that does everything for us. He wears a lot of different hats. He can play any of the receiver positions, gives us some flexibility and he’s really good on special teams as well. So he gives us flexibility at that position.”

Just admit you were wrong, and that your opinion has nothing to do with how the coaching staff sees Zeigler...then we can get on to other things.

OMG a coach talked positively about one of his players! Cause' that never happens. What never happens is the opposite. All the ever do is speak highly of everyone on the roster. They don't even change that tune after they cut/trade a guy.

So even though the head coach says very directly and clearly that Zeigler will be used as a punt returner if needed, that he's dependable in that role and that "he’s really good on special teams as well," you still believe that Zeigler has shown "NO WORTH" as a punt returner....that Singletary is just saying "positive things," but doesn't really mean it.

Is that correct?

Yes. Unless you haven't been watching/reading we've all seen and heard over the last three years that he's been horrible at fielding punts in preseason games and the beat writers have all said he's no better in practice (especially the last two years). Now this year could be different but although Singletary gave a kind word about one of his guys (thats all he does about any of them) nothing has proved otherwise. He fielded one for 11 yards on Sunday and we've heard that he's working on return duties in the absence of the guys that will probably get the job. That doesn't mean that he's showed anything there, only that they are giving it a shot.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by 49ersrgolden:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Gavintech...Worth is a relative term.

Zeigler has shown "worth" because he has shown the ability to return punts.

You can stop right there. HE HAS NOT. He's shown that he's no better than anyone would be. He's shown absolutely nothing to prove any worth what-so-ever. He's proved that he can't judge the ball and muffs them when they come down for two preseasons. Just because they want him to good at it, doesn't mean he's shown anything to give the idea he will be.

Ziggy is making plays everyday and so has reggie smith...i say lets see what ziggy can do in a game

We have. I don't see how he's magically going to be able to return punts/kicks when he was never able to do it in the past, in college and the pros, and has failed when given the chance in 2008 and 2009, in college and the pros.

Like I've been saying:

Quote:
Singletary's Notebook: Aug. 19
Posted 2 hours ago

On whether he would consider Zeigler as a punt returner:
“You know, he’s more of an emergency guy for us, but I know there are a couple of things about Zeigler. He is a very dependable guy; he has been up to this point. So its certainty a situation which if we had to we would.”

On Zeigler’s willingness to go across the middle and make a catch:
“He is a unique guy. He is very unselfish and he doesn’t mind going across the middle, going underneath, doing some of the dirty work. He is a guy that does everything for us. He wears a lot of different hats. He can play any of the receiver positions, gives us some flexibility and he’s really good on special teams as well. So he gives us flexibility at that position.”

Just admit you were wrong, and that your opinion has nothing to do with how the coaching staff sees Zeigler...then we can get on to other things.

OMG a coach talked positively about one of his players! Cause' that never happens. What never happens is the opposite. All the ever do is speak highly of everyone on the roster. They don't even change that tune after they cut/trade a guy.

So even though the head coach says very directly and clearly that Zeigler will be used as a punt returner if needed, that he's dependable in that role and that "he’s really good on special teams as well," you still believe that Zeigler has shown "NO WORTH" as a punt returner....that Singletary is just saying "positive things," but doesn't really mean it.

Is that correct?

Yes. Unless you haven't been watching/reading we've all seen and heard over the last three years that he's been horrible at fielding punts in preseason games and the beat writers have all said he's no better in practice (especially the last two years). Now this year could be different but although Singletary gave a kind word about one of his guys (thats all he does about any of them) nothing has proved otherwise. He fielded one for 11 yards on Sunday and we've heard that he's working on return duties in the absence of the guys that will probably get the job. That doesn't mean that he's showed anything there, only that they are giving it a shot.

Clearly I haven't been watching.

Since you have, please enlighten me. If Zeigler is so horrible at this, why not give Jason Hill a crack at returning punts? And where are all the effusive comments and praise for Hill this summer by Sing or Raye or anyone on his reliability, his versatility and his return skills?

[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Aug 19, 2010 at 16:46:23 ]

I'd much rather Ziegler than Jones

what are the odds they keep 6 receivers? crabtree, morgan, ginn, hill, williams and ziggy

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
what are the odds they keep 6 receivers? crabtree, morgan, ginn, hill, williams and ziggy

Will depend on who they wanna give the return duties to. I'd like to see these 6 guy make it though

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
what are the odds they keep 6 receivers? crabtree, morgan, ginn, hill, williams and ziggy

Will depend on who they wanna give the return duties to. I'd like to see these 6 guy make it though

Why ?

Whats the point of having six Wr's on a run first offense. I would rather keep an extra RB or LB.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
what are the odds they keep 6 receivers? crabtree, morgan, ginn, hill, williams and ziggy

Will depend on who they wanna give the return duties to. I'd like to see these 6 guy make it though

i like hill and i think he needs to be given a chance i games cuz he usually shows up when given opportunities. ziggy looks great too, the only thing is hes skinny but that doesnt take away from his excellent hands and route running abilities and hes taller, could be a monster in the redzone. i hope they keep them both

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
what are the odds they keep 6 receivers? crabtree, morgan, ginn, hill, williams and ziggy

Will depend on who they wanna give the return duties to. I'd like to see these 6 guy make it though

i like hill and i think he needs to be given a chance i games cuz he usually shows up when given opportunities. ziggy looks great too, the only thing is hes skinny but that doesnt take away from his excellent hands and route running abilities and hes taller, could be a monster in the redzone. i hope they keep them both

I kinda see guys like Hill, Williams and Ziggy being very similar. Ultimately I wouldnt be surprised if one doesn't make it

Yay we are now arguing the merits of a guy that couldn't get past Camp the previous 2 seasons.

You guys DO know that if "Ziggy" were all that and a bag of Doritos Cool Ranch he wouldn't have still been on the PS. Look how long Sheets lasted.

~Ceadder

[ Edited by Ceadderman on Aug 19, 2010 at 17:30:01 ]

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
what are the odds they keep 6 receivers? crabtree, morgan, ginn, hill, williams and ziggy

Will depend on who they wanna give the return duties to. I'd like to see these 6 guy make it though

i like hill and i think he needs to be given a chance i games cuz he usually shows up when given opportunities. ziggy looks great too, the only thing is hes skinny but that doesnt take away from his excellent hands and route running abilities and hes taller, could be a monster in the redzone. i hope they keep them both

I kinda see guys like Hill, Williams and Ziggy being very similar. Ultimately I wouldnt be surprised if one doesn't make it

i dunno, hill looks more physical and he has good speed, ziggy is tall ans has good hands and routes and williams is a quick strike option like welker i think. itll be interesting to see who sticks

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Yay we are now arguing the merits of a guy that couldn't get past Camp the previous 2 seasons.

Three seasons. He didn't get drafted in 2007.

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
You guys DO know that if "Ziggy" were all that and a bag of Doritos Cool Ranch he wouldn't have still been on the PS. Look how long Sheets lasted.

~Ceadder

I've already made that point. I would love it if the guy made the team and helped contribute, but if he does it's pretty obvious it isn't because of any special teams value. He's sure as heck not going to block anyone or do anything on the coverage team, and he's proved time and time again to have issues tracking down and handling punts. If he makes the team he's going to be the 53rd guy and it's going to be because he did finally show something in the return game IMO. They are sure giving him enough chances.

Reggie Smith and Tarrell Brown should not only make the team but be on the active roster week-to-week and they both are already better than serviceable "in a pinch". I don't see why they are trying this Zeigler thing over and over again when it's never worked in the past (doing the same thing again and again expecting to see different results: the definition of insanity).

Since he was released, did the front office have any interests or intentions of trading him ?

He got so much attention once released, I figured he's worth a mid-late round draft pick in a trade.

Originally posted by nicedraw94080:
Since he was released, did the front office have any interests or intentions of trading him ?

He got so much attention once released, I figured he's worth a mid-late round draft pick in a trade.

someone asked this to one of the Matts and the response was, teams pretty much knew he was gonna be released so there was no reason to call the 9ers about a trade

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by nicedraw94080:
Since he was released, did the front office have any interests or intentions of trading him ?

He got so much attention once released, I figured he's worth a mid-late round draft pick in a trade.

someone asked this to one of the Matts and the response was, teams pretty much knew he was gonna be released so there was no reason to call the 9ers about a trade

dude caught 1 pass for 18 yards last year

moving on...