More on Solari making a HUGE difference

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by excelsior:
Wouldn't it be fair to say that drafting Davis and Iupati indicated that Solari felt his coaching would not be enough to convert Snyder and Baas/Rachal into quality linemen?

No. The drafting of Davis and Iupati shows that if nothing else Sing and Baalke realized that they couldn't continue to throw Smith to the wolves on every down.

It's also put up or shut up time for Heitmann. Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt.

~Ceadder

You live on your own little planet on Heitmann. So interesting for you to continue to target Heitmann, and Heitmann alone, as a person who needs to "put up or shut up" on the OL. As painful as it is for you, Heitmann is regarded as our best linemen. That must kill you. I mean, how painful is it for you every time someone writes something complimentary on his play?

Not one little peep about Staley or Rachal??????? Shocker! The same Rachal who was criticized by coaches and the media, and benched last year for a portion of one game. Chilo's not the person who needs to "put up or shut up"? Nor our franchise LT, Staley, who was out for a generous portion of 2009? It is only Heitmann who needs to "put up or shut up". This is just a flat out stupid statement. Shall we revisit your humiliation in the Eric Heitmann is a Good Football Player thread? I can bump it for all to witness.

Heitmann is not going anywhere, much to your sadness, so you might as well get over it. It is embarrassing for you to hold onto this ridiculous bias.

As for the original post on Solari, the track record looks good, but I'm withholding judgment until I see the product on the field.

Every time this bias sneaks up its' ugly head, I'm going to continue to follow it with more posts and links from the media and coaches on how Heitmann is the least of our problems.

Cheers.

P.S. I love this quote: "Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt."

Can we infer from your quotes on "problem spots" that you believe that the RT and LG positions were NOT two problem spots? I'm going to go out on a limb and make a wild prediction that in your mind, the greatest problem spot this offseason was at center.

And, now, the crowd gets a chance to hear the hilarious response (which will undoubtably have the words Rocky....and...Bernard attached to it, as well as the wickedly deceived media, who is so entranced by Heitmann's play that they cannot think straight.

Hey MD If you don't cool it with your Heitmann love I'm going to sick Oldninerdude on you and then we'll talk about humiliation pal--LOL haha

Originally posted by wrongway9erfan:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by excelsior:
Wouldn't it be fair to say that drafting Davis and Iupati indicated that Solari felt his coaching would not be enough to convert Snyder and Baas/Rachal into quality linemen?

No. The drafting of Davis and Iupati shows that if nothing else Sing and Baalke realized that they couldn't continue to throw Smith to the wolves on every down.

It's also put up or shut up time for Heitmann. Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt.

~Ceadder

You live on your own little planet on Heitmann. So interesting for you to continue to target Heitmann, and Heitmann alone, as a person who needs to "put up or shut up" on the OL. As painful as it is for you, Heitmann is regarded as our best linemen. That must kill you. I mean, how painful is it for you every time someone writes something complimentary on his play?

Not one little peep about Staley or Rachal??????? Shocker! The same Rachal who was criticized by coaches and the media, and benched last year for a portion of one game. Chilo's not the person who needs to "put up or shut up"? Nor our franchise LT, Staley, who was out for a generous portion of 2009? It is only Heitmann who needs to "put up or shut up". This is just a flat out stupid statement. Shall we revisit your humiliation in the Eric Heitmann is a Good Football Player thread? I can bump it for all to witness.

Heitmann is not going anywhere, much to your sadness, so you might as well get over it. It is embarrassing for you to hold onto this ridiculous bias.

As for the original post on Solari, the track record looks good, but I'm withholding judgment until I see the product on the field.

Every time this bias sneaks up its' ugly head, I'm going to continue to follow it with more posts and links from the media and coaches on how Heitmann is the least of our problems.

Cheers.

P.S. I love this quote: "Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt."

Can we infer from your quotes on "problem spots" that you believe that the RT and LG positions were NOT two problem spots? I'm going to go out on a limb and make a wild prediction that in your mind, the greatest problem spot this offseason was at center.

And, now, the crowd gets a chance to hear the hilarious response (which will undoubtably have the words Rocky....and...Bernard attached to it, as well as the wickedly deceived media, who is so entranced by Heitmann's play that they cannot think straight.

Hey MD If you don't cool it with your Heitmann love I'm going to sick Oldninerdude on you and then we'll talk about humiliation pal--LOL haha

OND is a tough animal, and we dust it up from time to time. He's also one of the three brothers in loony land over Heitmann. I mean, honestly, how ridiculous is this getting: Baas=Wragge=Snyder=Heitmann. It is flat out stupid. And, then, to come back with another ding-dong assessment, that Heitmann is the one who needs to put up or shut up. Just moronic.

If I am displaying Heitmann love, then the broadcasters, media and coaches have been already long beaten me to the punch. I'm way in the back of the line, on the majority side of this argument, which isn't really an argument at all. I can't find one critic, outside of these three guys on the board.

Could you imagine if Heitmann was selected to the Pro-Bowl this season. We'd surely see some jumpers.

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by DangerRyan:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by DangerRyan:
Don't wanna burst the bubble or anything but this was exactly how all of us Seahawk fans felt when we got Solari a few years ago. We have now suffered through some of the worst years we have seen offensive line wise and Solari was the guy coaching them...

Yeah we had a lot of injuries as well but the line play was nothing to write home about at all...

Well I cant say that i've broken down game film of the Seachickens O line, but I can tell you when Chris Foerester left it was addition by subtraction. With 3 first rounders, a high second and a consistent center in Heitman, I'm willing to bet we improve over last year. And if our line is even some what better than the one that helped Gore become the second RB in NFL history to run for 2 80 yard TDs in a single game, I think we'll do just fine. But thanks for your concern.

Okay analysis...but I was coming as a friendly opposing fan you and you gotta throw out the Seachickens thing....sad....

And I'm not saying your oline won't improve...I'm saying that there were high hopes for Solari coming into the same type of situation in Seattle and he didn't get it done...but you can turn a blind eye to that all you want...

As for the two 80 yard runs thats great...but I'm pretty sure the Seahawks won the last meeting between the two teams after that week 2 game....just sayin'....

I have friends that are from Seattle and they refer to their own team as the Seachickens at times. I didn't know it was offensive. With that said, whats a little banter between fans? I'm sure I speak for most on the zone when I say we're glad you stopped by. I would love to hear your outside perspective on our team as well as your own team. I assume you at least have an opinion since you are obviously a hardcore fan or you would't be jumping to other team sites.

Just to build off what Oakland-Niner said DangerRyan...

We have a Seachicken's (couldn't resist, weak) fan named Hawksfan who routinely comes by during the season for some light banter and some great conversation. Once we established that his queries and comments were legit, we welcomed his input and looked forward to it.

So....As Oakland-Niner asked, we would like to hear your point-of-view of our team...

its so slow man waiting for TC and pre-season.

The bottom-line, DangerRyan, is that Oakland-Niner as well as all of us would playfully jab ANY opponent's fan to begin with...that's just being a fan.

No disrespect intended, I'm sure.

Welcome!

I think I know who you were talking about.


Looks like you guys have met Ryan. He is a buddy of mine from Seahawkblue.com. Glad to see you didn't beat him up too bad. He likes talking football and is pretty knowledgable. Especially when it comes to the Hawks.

As far as the Solari thing goes, I think cautiously optimistic is the best approach to the situation. We thought he would be the saviour of our o-line. Year one with Solari we expected Walter Jones to be our LT. Hall of famer. Not much more to say about Walter. At LG we signed the then ten year veteran/two time pro bowler Mike Wahle. 2005 first round selection (26th overall) Chris Spencer at C. Rob Sims at RG and Sean Locklear at RT. On paper that looked pretty good. But injuries happened, among other things and our line sucked.

I have to shut down and head home from work. I can get into year two when I get there.

Here are some links to the Solari and Wahle signings. Optimism was high.




[url=null]null[/url] Solari

Wahle

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by wrongway9erfan:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by excelsior:
Wouldn't it be fair to say that drafting Davis and Iupati indicated that Solari felt his coaching would not be enough to convert Snyder and Baas/Rachal into quality linemen?

No. The drafting of Davis and Iupati shows that if nothing else Sing and Baalke realized that they couldn't continue to throw Smith to the wolves on every down.

It's also put up or shut up time for Heitmann. Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt.

~Ceadder

You live on your own little planet on Heitmann. So interesting for you to continue to target Heitmann, and Heitmann alone, as a person who needs to "put up or shut up" on the OL. As painful as it is for you, Heitmann is regarded as our best linemen. That must kill you. I mean, how painful is it for you every time someone writes something complimentary on his play?

Not one little peep about Staley or Rachal??????? Shocker! The same Rachal who was criticized by coaches and the media, and benched last year for a portion of one game. Chilo's not the person who needs to "put up or shut up"? Nor our franchise LT, Staley, who was out for a generous portion of 2009? It is only Heitmann who needs to "put up or shut up". This is just a flat out stupid statement. Shall we revisit your humiliation in the Eric Heitmann is a Good Football Player thread? I can bump it for all to witness.

Heitmann is not going anywhere, much to your sadness, so you might as well get over it. It is embarrassing for you to hold onto this ridiculous bias.

As for the original post on Solari, the track record looks good, but I'm withholding judgment until I see the product on the field.

Every time this bias sneaks up its' ugly head, I'm going to continue to follow it with more posts and links from the media and coaches on how Heitmann is the least of our problems.

Cheers.

P.S. I love this quote: "Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt."

Can we infer from your quotes on "problem spots" that you believe that the RT and LG positions were NOT two problem spots? I'm going to go out on a limb and make a wild prediction that in your mind, the greatest problem spot this offseason was at center.

And, now, the crowd gets a chance to hear the hilarious response (which will undoubtably have the words Rocky....and...Bernard attached to it, as well as the wickedly deceived media, who is so entranced by Heitmann's play that they cannot think straight.

Hey MD If you don't cool it with your Heitmann love I'm going to sick Oldninerdude on you and then we'll talk about humiliation pal--LOL haha

OND is a tough animal, and we dust it up from time to time. He's also one of the three brothers in loony land over Heitmann. I mean, honestly, how ridiculous is this getting: Baas=Wragge=Snyder=Heitmann. It is flat out stupid. And, then, to come back with another ding-dong assessment, that Heitmann is the one who needs to put up or shut up. Just moronic.

If I am displaying Heitmann love, then the broadcasters, media and coaches have been already long beaten me to the punch. I'm way in the back of the line, on the majority side of this argument, which isn't really an argument at all. I can't find one critic, outside of these three guys on the board.

Could you imagine if Heitmann was selected to the Pro-Bowl this season. We'd surely see some jumpers.

Yeah, I'd be jumping for joy!

If Heitmann goes to the Pro Bowl, it would mean the Niners advanced a long ways into the playoffs. And would mean he resolved any perceived weaknesses in short yardage plays, etc. Who wouldn't be happy with that?

Really. I have no "bias" against Heitmann. I just think he's got a single problem, either with technique or with strength, that he needs to address, and that reveals itself at critical times--short yardage third downs, fourth and one, etc.

You keep talking about all the great press Heitmann's been getting. Aside from the ambiguous quote two days ago in a tweet from MB, can you give us some links as to other recent media praise for Heitmann? By "recent" I mean "in the last two years," not the stuff you posted two years ago, which, if memory serves, was not nearly as complimentary as you initially said it was.

I completely understand why one might want to defend a Niner player, someone presently on the roster, from unwarranted attacks, but that's not what's been going on. There have been a number of posters who have noted that, among other things, Heitmann was sometimes pushed back into Baas last season as Baas was attempting to pull and lead Gore through the right side of the line.

Its not our fault that the media guys don't focus on the OL play. Really, its not the usual focus of the media, who prefer to watch the ball, the WRs, the RBs, the QBs, the playmakers on O and on D. But you claim that there's all this media praise for Heitmann. Please be so kind as to provide some links, cause I'm afraid I've missed them.

"Tough animal"? I'll take that as high praise from a Maddog. I will concede that you're pretty determined in your position here as well, which, frankly, I do not totally disagree with. (I don't hate Heitmann, or have a bias against him. I just can't ignore what I've seen.)

Originally posted by DangerRyan:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:


Oh and your Line problems were there BEFORE Solari was. So you cannot blame it on Solari. That's what happens when you lose a cornerstone player in Free Agency. You have to replace him. Seattle has been trying to do so for some time. Now you lost another one to Retirement. Hasselback should retire before he gets killed.

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And your line problems weren't....?

And just to reiterate, I'm not trying to troll here...just seeing the opposing teams prospects during the slow part of the offseason..

Ummmm didn't say it wasn't. I'm just saying that Sheattle fans can't blame Solari for not fixing it.

I've been highly vocal(ask anyone here) about our Line for a number of years. So I know full well how crap our Line has been.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by excelsior:
Wouldn't it be fair to say that drafting Davis and Iupati indicated that Solari felt his coaching would not be enough to convert Snyder and Baas/Rachal into quality linemen?

No. The drafting of Davis and Iupati shows that if nothing else Sing and Baalke realized that they couldn't continue to throw Smith to the wolves on every down.

It's also put up or shut up time for Heitmann. Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt.

~Ceadder

You live on your own little planet on Heitmann. So interesting for you to continue to target Heitmann, and Heitmann alone, as a person who needs to "put up or shut up" on the OL. As painful as it is for you, Heitmann is regarded as our best linemen. That must kill you. I mean, how painful is it for you every time someone writes something complimentary on his play?

Not one little peep about Staley or Rachal??????? Shocker! The same Rachal who was criticized by coaches and the media, and benched last year for a portion of one game. Chilo's not the person who needs to "put up or shut up"? Nor our franchise LT, Staley, who was out for a generous portion of 2009? It is only Heitmann who needs to "put up or shut up". This is just a flat out stupid statement. Shall we revisit your humiliation in the Eric Heitmann is a Good Football Player thread? I can bump it for all to witness.

Heitmann is not going anywhere, much to your sadness, so you might as well get over it. It is embarrassing for you to hold onto this ridiculous bias.

As for the original post on Solari, the track record looks good, but I'm withholding judgment until I see the product on the field.

Every time this bias sneaks up its' ugly head, I'm going to continue to follow it with more posts and links from the media and coaches on how Heitmann is the least of our problems.

Cheers.

P.S. I love this quote: "Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt."

Can we infer from your quotes on "problem spots" that you believe that the RT and LG positions were NOT two problem spots? I'm going to go out on a limb and make a wild prediction that in your mind, the greatest problem spot this offseason was at center.

And, now, the crowd gets a chance to hear the hilarious response (which will undoubtably have the words Rocky....and...Bernard attached to it, as well as the wickedly deceived media, who is so entranced by Heitmann's play that they cannot think straight.

I know this may come as a shock to you, but Hymen calls the protection schemes. If the Linemen look lost, might it be cause Hymen muffed the call? If the Line was crap could it not be due to the muffed calls and the coaches not catching that prior to Solari?

And please dude, Hymen gets his cherry broke every damn series. Someone blows right past the dude. And HE'S the man making the calls. Sorry but I've seen it too many times. He's an acceptable Guard. He's a CRAPPY Center. He was only supposed to be there for a year. It's gone on long enough and you damn right I'll keep harpin on his play. It's gotten tired.

I'll call anyone out if I see the rest of the Line taking their blocks and they're the ones muffing it up. Hymen just happens to be that guy imho.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by wrongway9erfan:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by excelsior:
Wouldn't it be fair to say that drafting Davis and Iupati indicated that Solari felt his coaching would not be enough to convert Snyder and Baas/Rachal into quality linemen?

No. The drafting of Davis and Iupati shows that if nothing else Sing and Baalke realized that they couldn't continue to throw Smith to the wolves on every down.

It's also put up or shut up time for Heitmann. Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt.

~Ceadder

You live on your own little planet on Heitmann. So interesting for you to continue to target Heitmann, and Heitmann alone, as a person who needs to "put up or shut up" on the OL. As painful as it is for you, Heitmann is regarded as our best linemen. That must kill you. I mean, how painful is it for you every time someone writes something complimentary on his play?

Not one little peep about Staley or Rachal??????? Shocker! The same Rachal who was criticized by coaches and the media, and benched last year for a portion of one game. Chilo's not the person who needs to "put up or shut up"? Nor our franchise LT, Staley, who was out for a generous portion of 2009? It is only Heitmann who needs to "put up or shut up". This is just a flat out stupid statement. Shall we revisit your humiliation in the Eric Heitmann is a Good Football Player thread? I can bump it for all to witness.

Heitmann is not going anywhere, much to your sadness, so you might as well get over it. It is embarrassing for you to hold onto this ridiculous bias.

As for the original post on Solari, the track record looks good, but I'm withholding judgment until I see the product on the field.

Every time this bias sneaks up its' ugly head, I'm going to continue to follow it with more posts and links from the media and coaches on how Heitmann is the least of our problems.

Cheers.

P.S. I love this quote: "Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt."

Can we infer from your quotes on "problem spots" that you believe that the RT and LG positions were NOT two problem spots? I'm going to go out on a limb and make a wild prediction that in your mind, the greatest problem spot this offseason was at center.

And, now, the crowd gets a chance to hear the hilarious response (which will undoubtably have the words Rocky....and...Bernard attached to it, as well as the wickedly deceived media, who is so entranced by Heitmann's play that they cannot think straight.

Hey MD If you don't cool it with your Heitmann love I'm going to sick Oldninerdude on you and then we'll talk about humiliation pal--LOL haha

OND is a tough animal, and we dust it up from time to time. He's also one of the three brothers in loony land over Heitmann. I mean, honestly, how ridiculous is this getting: Baas=Wragge=Snyder=Heitmann. It is flat out stupid. And, then, to come back with another ding-dong assessment, that Heitmann is the one who needs to put up or shut up. Just moronic.

If I am displaying Heitmann love, then the broadcasters, media and coaches have been already long beaten me to the punch. I'm way in the back of the line, on the majority side of this argument, which isn't really an argument at all. I can't find one critic, outside of these three guys on the board.

Could you imagine if Heitmann was selected to the Pro-Bowl this season. We'd surely see some jumpers.

Yeah, I'd be jumping for joy!

If Heitmann goes to the Pro Bowl, it would mean the Niners advanced a long ways into the playoffs. And would mean he resolved any perceived weaknesses in short yardage plays, etc. Who wouldn't be happy with that?

Really. I have no "bias" against Heitmann. I just think he's got a single problem, either with technique or with strength, that he needs to address, and that reveals itself at critical times--short yardage third downs, fourth and one, etc.

You keep talking about all the great press Heitmann's been getting. Aside from the ambiguous quote two days ago in a tweet from MB, can you give us some links as to other recent media praise for Heitmann? By "recent" I mean "in the last two years," not the stuff you posted two years ago, which, if memory serves, was not nearly as complimentary as you initially said it was.

I completely understand why one might want to defend a Niner player, someone presently on the roster, from unwarranted attacks, but that's not what's been going on. There have been a number of posters who have noted that, among other things, Heitmann was sometimes pushed back into Baas last season as Baas was attempting to pull and lead Gore through the right side of the line.

Its not our fault that the media guys don't focus on the OL play. Really, its not the usual focus of the media, who prefer to watch the ball, the WRs, the RBs, the QBs, the playmakers on O and on D. But you claim that there's all this media praise for Heitmann. Please be so kind as to provide some links, cause I'm afraid I've missed them.

"Tough animal"? I'll take that as high praise from a Maddog. I will concede that you're pretty determined in your position here as well, which, frankly, I do not totally disagree with. (I don't hate Heitmann, or have a bias against him. I just can't ignore what I've seen.)

Actually, Chucky was slobbering all over Heitman's johnson the last time he announced for us. It was sickening. Especially when Heitmann missed a block and Gruden just dismissed it. If that was Gruden's team(s) playing on the field he'dve been all up in Hymens' snot locker about it. I hate Gruden the announcer. Gimme the no nonsense Chucky any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Does Hymen have some chick running around making unprovable claims in the sack with these guys or what? You know, like that chick in American Pie did with whatshisface? It's the ONLY way I see this happening. I mean geez it's obvious they don't spend much time watching our games. At least Offensively they didn't.

They must go "Ohhhp Offensive posession time to channel surf for 3 minutes"... and then check back to see how it's going for us.

I really do WANT the man to succeed but if our line is back to the same ole same ole then Heitman has got to lose his yob. If he goes to the Pro Bowl, I'm happy for him. But I doubt that happens since voting stops midway through the season and it's doubtful that the rest of the League would vote him in.

~Ceadder

Don't know if anybody cares, but I will get to year two with Solari from a Hawks fan's perspective tomorrow probably. Ken Griffey Junior retired and he was baseball for me growing up. I don't feel like doing much but drinking tonight. Anything that I would say tonight about Solari would probably be pretty negative.

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by excelsior:
Wouldn't it be fair to say that drafting Davis and Iupati indicated that Solari felt his coaching would not be enough to convert Snyder and Baas/Rachal into quality linemen?

No. The drafting of Davis and Iupati shows that if nothing else Sing and Baalke realized that they couldn't continue to throw Smith to the wolves on every down.

It's also put up or shut up time for Heitmann. Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt.

~Ceadder

You live on your own little planet on Heitmann. So interesting for you to continue to target Heitmann, and Heitmann alone, as a person who needs to "put up or shut up" on the OL. As painful as it is for you, Heitmann is regarded as our best linemen. That must kill you. I mean, how painful is it for you every time someone writes something complimentary on his play?

Not one little peep about Staley or Rachal??????? Shocker! The same Rachal who was criticized by coaches and the media, and benched last year for a portion of one game. Chilo's not the person who needs to "put up or shut up"? Nor our franchise LT, Staley, who was out for a generous portion of 2009? It is only Heitmann who needs to "put up or shut up". This is just a flat out stupid statement. Shall we revisit your humiliation in the Eric Heitmann is a Good Football Player thread? I can bump it for all to witness.

Heitmann is not going anywhere, much to your sadness, so you might as well get over it. It is embarrassing for you to hold onto this ridiculous bias.

As for the original post on Solari, the track record looks good, but I'm withholding judgment until I see the product on the field.

Every time this bias sneaks up its' ugly head, I'm going to continue to follow it with more posts and links from the media and coaches on how Heitmann is the least of our problems.

Cheers.

P.S. I love this quote: "Because all eyes will be on him since the team drafted to fill the two "problem spots" on the Line. I guarantee that if we still have problems on the Line, EH will be replaced. Without a doubt."

Can we infer from your quotes on "problem spots" that you believe that the RT and LG positions were NOT two problem spots? I'm going to go out on a limb and make a wild prediction that in your mind, the greatest problem spot this offseason was at center.

And, now, the crowd gets a chance to hear the hilarious response (which will undoubtably have the words Rocky....and...Bernard attached to it, as well as the wickedly deceived media, who is so entranced by Heitmann's play that they cannot think straight.

I know this may come as a shock to you, but Hymen calls the protection schemes. If the Linemen look lost, might it be cause Hymen muffed the call? If the Line was crap could it not be due to the muffed calls and the coaches not catching that prior to Solari?

And please dude, Hymen gets his cherry broke every damn series. Someone blows right past the dude. And HE'S the man making the calls. Sorry but I've seen it too many times. He's an acceptable Guard. He's a CRAPPY Center. He was only supposed to be there for a year. It's gone on long enough and you damn right I'll keep harpin on his play. It's gotten tired.

I'll call anyone out if I see the rest of the Line taking their blocks and they're the ones muffing it up. Hymen just happens to be that guy imho.

~Ceadder

LOL. You used "Hymen" and "muffed" in the same sentence.

This post should get some kinda writing style points, at the least.

Hopefully this year we'll be able to utilize Gore in our offense how we want to. Because no doubt that is how we will in our games, and Gore is our best chance of winning!

This word, competition gets tossed around each year by our coaches and they have actually applied to almost every position but Center. I have a feeling that even a solid Center acquisition would really push Heitman. So far, his only competition has been two players we have drafted where one of them only played Center one year in college. It's also intrigueing that we have drafted two possible Center prospects because we are looking for an upgrade but for cheap and not wanting to pay high price for a free agent.

Originally posted by Hawksfan81:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by DangerRyan:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by DangerRyan:
Don't wanna burst the bubble or anything but this was exactly how all of us Seahawk fans felt when we got Solari a few years ago. We have now suffered through some of the worst years we have seen offensive line wise and Solari was the guy coaching them...

Yeah we had a lot of injuries as well but the line play was nothing to write home about at all...

Well I cant say that i've broken down game film of the Seachickens O line, but I can tell you when Chris Foerester left it was addition by subtraction. With 3 first rounders, a high second and a consistent center in Heitman, I'm willing to bet we improve over last year. And if our line is even some what better than the one that helped Gore become the second RB in NFL history to run for 2 80 yard TDs in a single game, I think we'll do just fine. But thanks for your concern.

Okay analysis...but I was coming as a friendly opposing fan you and you gotta throw out the Seachickens thing....sad....

And I'm not saying your oline won't improve...I'm saying that there were high hopes for Solari coming into the same type of situation in Seattle and he didn't get it done...but you can turn a blind eye to that all you want...

As for the two 80 yard runs thats great...but I'm pretty sure the Seahawks won the last meeting between the two teams after that week 2 game....just sayin'....

I have friends that are from Seattle and they refer to their own team as the Seachickens at times. I didn't know it was offensive. With that said, whats a little banter between fans? I'm sure I speak for most on the zone when I say we're glad you stopped by. I would love to hear your outside perspective on our team as well as your own team. I assume you at least have an opinion since you are obviously a hardcore fan or you would't be jumping to other team sites.

Just to build off what Oakland-Niner said DangerRyan...

We have a Seachicken's (couldn't resist, weak) fan named Hawksfan who routinely comes by during the season for some light banter and some great conversation. Once we established that his queries and comments were legit, we welcomed his input and looked forward to it.

So....As Oakland-Niner asked, we would like to hear your point-of-view of our team...

its so slow man waiting for TC and pre-season.

The bottom-line, DangerRyan, is that Oakland-Niner as well as all of us would playfully jab ANY opponent's fan to begin with...that's just being a fan.

No disrespect intended, I'm sure.

Welcome!

I think I know who you were talking about.


Looks like you guys have met Ryan. He is a buddy of mine from Seahawkblue.com. Glad to see you didn't beat him up too bad. He likes talking football and is pretty knowledgable. Especially when it comes to the Hawks.

As far as the Solari thing goes, I think cautiously optimistic is the best approach to the situation. We thought he would be the saviour of our o-line. Year one with Solari we expected Walter Jones to be our LT. Hall of famer. Not much more to say about Walter. At LG we signed the then ten year veteran/two time pro bowler Mike Wahle. 2005 first round selection (26th overall) Chris Spencer at C. Rob Sims at RG and Sean Locklear at RT. On paper that looked pretty good. But injuries happened, among other things and our line sucked.

I have to shut down and head home from work. I can get into year two when I get there.

Here are some links to the Solari and Wahle signings. Optimism was high.




[url=null]null[/url] Solari

Wahle

Going into the 2009 season we had a new coaching staff. That staff included a guy that you guys may have heard of. Greg Knapp. He was considered to be a running game guru when he came to Seattle. Knapp along with Solari implimented the ZBS. Optimism was high and we thought those two would cure the o-line issues in Seattle and we would return to the winning side of things. Again the line struggled. Both with injuries and play on the field. We had brought in Max Unger to help the interior of the line. Specer, Sims, and Unger made up the middle of the line and should have been good. But as a group they were not. Locklear jumped back and forth from the right to left tackle position but never played very well. The LT situation was just a mess.

So Solari leaving his OC job in KC and returning to what he was supposed to be very good at, O-line coaching, did not turn out well the two years he was in Seattle.

You guys now have an infusion of young talent on your line. Maybe a young and presumably coachable line will work better for Solari than his debacle in Seattle did. Injuries notwithstanding. But those young players will need time to adjust to the league and the line as a group will need time to gel before they will work well as a unit. So even if Solari is the coaching answer, I would not expect greatness out of the gates from the line.

Going back to my first post on the subject, I think that cautious optimism would be the best way to approach the Solari thing. Thats just my opinion.

Originally posted by Daniel2778:
Is there a link between good coaching and injury?

That's a good question. On a similar note, there's probably line of sight with coaching, playbook, and player injury - hopefully, we have the right players in place to execute Solari's plan well and stay healthy.

Originally posted by Hawksfan81:

Originally posted by Hawksfan81:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by DangerRyan:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by DangerRyan:
Don't wanna burst the bubble or anything but this was exactly how all of us Seahawk fans felt when we got Solari a few years ago. We have now suffered through some of the worst years we have seen offensive line wise and Solari was the guy coaching them...

Yeah we had a lot of injuries as well but the line play was nothing to write home about at all...

Well I cant say that i've broken down game film of the Seachickens O line, but I can tell you when Chris Foerester left it was addition by subtraction. With 3 first rounders, a high second and a consistent center in Heitman, I'm willing to bet we improve over last year. And if our line is even some what better than the one that helped Gore become the second RB in NFL history to run for 2 80 yard TDs in a single game, I think we'll do just fine. But thanks for your concern.

Okay analysis...but I was coming as a friendly opposing fan you and you gotta throw out the Seachickens thing....sad....

And I'm not saying your oline won't improve...I'm saying that there were high hopes for Solari coming into the same type of situation in Seattle and he didn't get it done...but you can turn a blind eye to that all you want...

As for the two 80 yard runs thats great...but I'm pretty sure the Seahawks won the last meeting between the two teams after that week 2 game....just sayin'....

I have friends that are from Seattle and they refer to their own team as the Seachickens at times. I didn't know it was offensive. With that said, whats a little banter between fans? I'm sure I speak for most on the zone when I say we're glad you stopped by. I would love to hear your outside perspective on our team as well as your own team. I assume you at least have an opinion since you are obviously a hardcore fan or you would't be jumping to other team sites.

Just to build off what Oakland-Niner said DangerRyan...

We have a Seachicken's (couldn't resist, weak) fan named Hawksfan who routinely comes by during the season for some light banter and some great conversation. Once we established that his queries and comments were legit, we welcomed his input and looked forward to it.

So....As Oakland-Niner asked, we would like to hear your point-of-view of our team...

its so slow man waiting for TC and pre-season.

The bottom-line, DangerRyan, is that Oakland-Niner as well as all of us would playfully jab ANY opponent's fan to begin with...that's just being a fan.

No disrespect intended, I'm sure.

Welcome!

I think I know who you were talking about.


Looks like you guys have met Ryan. He is a buddy of mine from Seahawkblue.com. Glad to see you didn't beat him up too bad. He likes talking football and is pretty knowledgable. Especially when it comes to the Hawks.

As far as the Solari thing goes, I think cautiously optimistic is the best approach to the situation. We thought he would be the saviour of our o-line. Year one with Solari we expected Walter Jones to be our LT. Hall of famer. Not much more to say about Walter. At LG we signed the then ten year veteran/two time pro bowler Mike Wahle. 2005 first round selection (26th overall) Chris Spencer at C. Rob Sims at RG and Sean Locklear at RT. On paper that looked pretty good. But injuries happened, among other things and our line sucked.

I have to shut down and head home from work. I can get into year two when I get there.

Here are some links to the Solari and Wahle signings. Optimism was high.




[url=null]null[/url] Solari

Wahle

Going into the 2009 season we had a new coaching staff. That staff included a guy that you guys may have heard of. Greg Knapp. He was considered to be a running game guru when he came to Seattle. Knapp along with Solari implimented the ZBS. Optimism was high and we thought those two would cure the o-line issues in Seattle and we would return to the winning side of things. Again the line struggled. Both with injuries and play on the field. We had brought in Max Unger to help the interior of the line. Specer, Sims, and Unger made up the middle of the line and should have been good. But as a group they were not. Locklear jumped back and forth from the right to left tackle position but never played very well. The LT situation was just a mess.

So Solari leaving his OC job in KC and returning to what he was supposed to be very good at, O-line coaching, did not turn out well the two years he was in Seattle.

You guys now have an infusion of young talent on your line. Maybe a young and presumably coachable line will work better for Solari than his debacle in Seattle did. Injuries notwithstanding. But those young players will need time to adjust to the league and the line as a group will need time to gel before they will work well as a unit. So even if Solari is the coaching answer, I would not expect greatness out of the gates from the line.

Going back to my first post on the subject, I think that cautious optimism would be the best way to approach the Solari thing. Thats just my opinion.

WASSSSUP Hawksfan!

Thanks for the insight. The one thing I noticed in all this was that Seattle primarily used a ZBS. Could the failure be a combo of injuries, depth, and not catering the right scheme to the personnel?

He did say in a recent interview that he preferred the PowerBS. Here's the proof in an interview with Phil Barber of the Press Democrat:

Mike Singletary wants a tough, physical team. Is that consistent with your philosophy?

"Yes. Yes, it is. They're gonna play with an attitude. I think whenever you see a line coached by myself, I think you'll see an effort, an intensity by the offensive line that'll exemplify that on the football field. But again, with Coach Singletary, it's something that he looks for, he expects from his teams to exhibit. And he allows that, as far as the plays being called, the offense. You'll see that more so. Say for example, last year, just say for example, 'We're a zone blocking team.' You don't see a physicality there. Now again, you'll see guys coming off the ball. And again, getting movement at the point and so forth. But it's a different, quote, physicality, than versus here at San Francisco. You'll see more double teams with the 49er offense. You'll see that, where that shows more physicality because of the blocking schemes and what we're doing. So it will be highlighted here, with this offense that Jimmy Raye calls and that they do here at the 49ers."

I think the bold says it all from his perspective. I believe I can read that he's more excited about reuniting with Raye to play "Power Ball" like in KC. I can't wait for this "smash-mouth" attitude from our new behemoths, Davis and Iupati.

Look forward to discussing more football with ya, man. Also, looking to vindicate that loss and Mays personal feelings on opening day!

at Mays' personal feelings...

Originally posted by Hawksfan81:
Going into the 2009 season we had a new coaching staff. That staff included a guy that you guys may have heard of. Greg Knapp. He was considered to be a running game guru when he came to Seattle. Knapp along with Solari implimented the ZBS. Optimism was high and we thought those two would cure the o-line issues in Seattle and we would return to the winning side of things. Again the line struggled. Both with injuries and play on the field. We had brought in Max Unger to help the interior of the line. Specer, Sims, and Unger made up the middle of the line and should have been good. But as a group they were not. Locklear jumped back and forth from the right to left tackle position but never played very well. The LT situation was just a mess.

So Solari leaving his OC job in KC and returning to what he was supposed to be very good at, O-line coaching, did not turn out well the two years he was in Seattle.

You guys now have an infusion of young talent on your line. Maybe a young and presumably coachable line will work better for Solari than his debacle in Seattle did. Injuries notwithstanding. But those young players will need time to adjust to the league and the line as a group will need time to gel before they will work well as a unit. So even if Solari is the coaching answer, I would not expect greatness out of the gates from the line.

Going back to my first post on the subject, I think that cautious optimism would be the best way to approach the Solari thing. Thats just my opinion.

Nice objective post Hawks fan and I appreciate the perspective and cautious optimism approach. I still know quite a few diehards up there myself, growing up in Seattle.

I think a few things that need to be adde to this topic is 1) the philosophy on offense 2) the execution of this offense (e.g. the OC and his playbook) and 3) type of linemen

In Seattle, they employed a WCO offense that is played very differently then what will be played here. In the WCO, the o-linemen tend to be lighter, quicker, more agile, better runners in space, more complex, etc. It appears we are trying to build a Dallas Cowboys-like o-line here (or old KC line). The two couldn't be more different.

I started a post years ago re: the size of the o-lines. Back then, (maybe three/four years ago) I found that during the regular season, smaller lines were pretty equal to wins during the regular season (back then it was Seattle, Jets, Denver, etc. bigger teasm were the Pats, Baltimore, Dallas, etc.). What stood out to me was that the bigger lines excelled and dominated in the playoffs esp. head-to-head. Smaller o-lines tended to struggle most against 3-4 defenses where the NT's are huge as are the OLB's, DE's, etc.

I agree and hold a cautiously optimistic perspective for the entire offense as I have major questions marks about our offensive philosophy and the man hired to install it no matter what talent we bring in. At this juncture, with this philosophy, the only man I'd want at center is Jesus Christ himself b/c at least with him, I know he can part the Red Sea (in between the tackles) for Gore.