Joe Montana vs. Tom Brady

Originally posted by 49Fever:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Joe cool didn't lose a superbowl and never played like Brady is in today's playoff game. There was lack of clarity and conviction on this debate a couple of years ago. No more. When the big games come, the debate is over. Joe Montana is the better QB.


Discuss.....

are you young ? that could be an excuse ...
Did you watch the 1987 DP game vs vikes ? No ? take a look and then try to discuss in your own thread
Or maybe the 1985 WC or 1986 DP vs giants : 3 points scored both times
Do you judge Montana on those three games to declare he's worst than Brady. I hope not. If you don't then be fair with brady
End point

AH, you may want to go back and read my posts. At no point was I all over Brady for this game. I understand he had a bad game and Montana has had bad games in the playoffs.

The point I was making is that compared to Manning, Montana is clutch more often than not and Manning is not clutch more often than not.

As you put it "End point".

four rings on four trys sounds like its as good as it gets

Originally posted by Rivers77:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Rivers77:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NinerFan1979:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Joe cool didn't lose a superbowl and never played like Brady is in today's playoff game. There was lack of clarity and conviction on this debate a couple of years ago. No more. When the big games come, the debate is over. Joe Montana is the better QB.


Discuss.....

I agree with you.



But Peyton > than Montana

lol. 4 super bowls > 1 super bowl

Peyton Manning is Dan Marino with 1 ring.

Joe Montana is the greatest player in NFL postseason history. period.

I'll give you the postseason comment.

But rings shouldn't be what makes the best (insert position here). There's 52 other guys on the team. If 1 or 2 units can't do their job and the rest of the team ain't winning sh*t.

The Colts just set the record for wins in a decade. What's that tell you? He's been doing it with alot less talent than Joe was use to.

Totally disagree. Peyton has had top notch talent for almost all his years in the league. Great WRs, good RBs and a great oline. Peyton is barely ever touched. The problem is, when Peyton has gotten to the playoffs he has had bad performances. Defenses have been able to confuse him. Physically he is more talented (as was Elway) than Joe. But that is only hafl the equation. Joe was clutch and that out weighs everything.

His Oline has been like a revolving door! Joesph Addai isn't really all that good. He make pedestrian WR's look good. See Austin Collie, Pierre Garco and Brandon Stokely.

Yes he has had bad games in the playoffs. Last I checked Joe didn't take us to the Superbowl every year either. If Manning had top 10 dfenses like Brady and Montana has had. He too would have lifted the trophy multiple times.

And how many 1,000 yard rushers did Montana have each year?

Correct me if I'm wrong but its easier to get to 1,000 due to more games being played now compared to back in the day.

I believe the 16 game schedule started aruond 1978.

You would be correct

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Joe cool didn't lose a superbowl and never played like Brady is in today's playoff game. There was lack of clarity and conviction on this debate a couple of years ago. No more. When the big games come, the debate is over. Joe Montana is the better QB.


Discuss.....

I agree with you.



But Peyton > than Montana

Na , Peyton needs to win some more SB before you can say that . Peyton stinks it up in the playoffs way to much . I would say Brady before Peyton .

Originally posted by Shaj:
Joe cool didn't lose a superbowl and never played like Brady is in today's playoff game. There was lack of clarity and conviction on this debate a couple of years ago. No more. When the big games come, the debate is over. Joe Montana is the better QB.


Discuss.....

Man we'd never consider anyone being better than OUR Joe Montana especially Brady. Peyton Manning is better than Brady anyways.

Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Joe cool didn't lose a superbowl and never played like Brady is in today's playoff game. There was lack of clarity and conviction on this debate a couple of years ago. No more. When the big games come, the debate is over. Joe Montana is the better QB.


Discuss.....

I agree with you.



But Peyton > than Montana

No way is Peyton better man we all know Joe is the best but I'll say Peyton definitely has potential to be up there with Montana.....

Na , Peyton needs to win some more SB before you can say that . Peyton stinks it up in the playoffs way to much . I would say Brady before Peyton .

Originally posted by rEspEctdA49ers:

Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Joe cool didn't lose a superbowl and never played like Brady is in today's playoff game. There was lack of clarity and conviction on this debate a couple of years ago. No more. When the big games come, the debate is over. Joe Montana is the better QB.


Discuss.....

I agree with you.



But Peyton > than Montana

No way is Peyton better man we all know Joe is the best but I'll say Peyton definitely has potential to be up there with Montana.....

Na , Peyton needs to win some more SB before you can say that . Peyton stinks it up in the playoffs way to much . I would say Brady before Peyton .

Peyton is a presnap QB. If what he sees before the snap does not follow as planned when the pieces move, he's not very good.

Joe was able to make the right reads and adjust as the pieces moved.

Amen

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by rEspEctdA49ers:

Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Joe cool didn't lose a superbowl and never played like Brady is in today's playoff game. There was lack of clarity and conviction on this debate a couple of years ago. No more. When the big games come, the debate is over. Joe Montana is the better QB.


Discuss.....

I agree with you.



But Peyton > than Montana

No way is Peyton better man we all know Joe is the best but I'll say Peyton definitely has potential to be up there with Montana.....

Na , Peyton needs to win some more SB before you can say that . Peyton stinks it up in the playoffs way to much . I would say Brady before Peyton .

Peyton is a presnap QB. If what he sees before the snap does not follow as planned when the pieces move, he's not very good.

Joe was able to make the right reads and adjust as the pieces moved.

Couldn't have send it better. Coming from JoeCool himself.

Brady is no doubt a great QB, but I really couldn't stand hearing the comparison a few years back. He is no Montana, but maybe we are all just biased!

Thats people's job to start comparisons about who's the next? (Fill in the blank) The dude grew up idealizing montana and says it in an interview and next thing u know he has some good seasons, wins some SB's and he's the next Joe lol. People love to debate and whats the best way to do that??? Compare someone to someone else. We all as niner fans know Joe was and is still the man but let me ask u this. If your life was on the line and u had one game to determine if u live or die by gettin a win, who would that QB be??? *Hint* (His last name is a state)

Originally posted by Dreskee:
Thats people's job to start comparisons about who's the next? (Fill in the blank) The dude grew up idealizing montana and says it in an interview and next thing u know he has some good seasons, wins some SB's and he's the next Joe lol. People love to debate and whats the best way to do that??? Compare someone to someone else. We all as niner fans know Joe was and is still the man but let me ask u this. If your life was on the line and u had one game to determine if u live or die by gettin a win, who would that QB be??? *Hint* (His last name is a state)

Johnny Utah.

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Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by blunt_probe:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by blunt_probe:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Joe cool didn't lose a superbowl and never played like Brady is in today's playoff game. There was lack of clarity and conviction on this debate a couple of years ago. No more. When the big games come, the debate is over. Joe Montana is the better QB.


Discuss.....

I agree with you.



But Peyton > than Montana

lol. 4 super bowls > 1 super bowl

Peyton Manning is Dan Marino with 1 ring.

Joe Montana is the greatest player in NFL postseason history. period.

4 Super Bowls has something to do with the team you are on. The biggest myth in the world is that it's all the QB. And people right here on this very WZ believe that.

Montana had Ronnie Lott, Charles Haley, Fred Dean, Jerry Rice just to name a short few. It was pre salary cap era and nobody was as big of a spender as Eddie D. The 49ers fieled the best O Lines and best defenses year in and year out. And they had outstanding WR's, TE's and good special teams.

Montana didn't do that by himself. In fact in the salary cap era my bet would be he wouldn't win 4 times. Maybe 1 or 2.

What a load of crock. You guys make it sound like Manning has nothing and isn't playing in a more pass friendly era. The real reason everyone says Montana is because of how clutch he was. Ask yourself this. One drive to win it at all. Who do you choose: Manning or Montana? /discussion

He doesn't have as much as Montana had. Not even close.

People on this site have idolized and glorified Montana because it is a 49ers fan site. He is envied here. But they fail to take into account the POWERHOUSE teams he was on year in and year out over the course of his career.

So, he doesn't have nothing which is my point. To be considered the G.O.A.T in my eyes, the most important attribute is how clutch one is. Manning is a consistent choker in that department. Even the year they won it all, it was the D, not him that carried the team. Hell, he nearly blew it against the Chiefs. He's a glorified Marino with a ring.

You're looking at the whole situation as negatively as possible as it pertains to Peyton Manning. The year they won the Super Bowl, their defense was ranked dead last in the league. They finally started playing decent defense with the return of Bob Sanders and that was all Manning needed to win it all. Every QB brought up in GOAT conversations has had defenses that did their share, EXCEPT Peyton Manning.

Here is a stat that disproves what you are saying.

Peyton is 0 - 3 in Playoff games after a first round bye. So, Peyton hasn't had great teams according to you, yet (including this year) it is the 4th year they have had the top 1 or two record in the AFC (plus as we know they have won more games than any team in NFL history in this past decade - obviously not good teams according to you) and Peyton loses that first game. Those loses are not because his teams were not good, but because he was confused in the playoffs and played poorly.

It was over two years ago when brady lost the super bowl.

Montana > All QB`s period.



[ Edited by 49ersMan420 on Jan 11, 2010 at 20:38:39 ]