This is really not meant to start a debate again on those who support Singletary and those who don't. I don't. I'm just curious to those who 'do' support him and his hiring, why did York hire him? What qualified him to be a NFL head coach? A 5-4 record after he took over from his mentor? Because he sent V Davis to the locker room? His history as a HOF player? What? He had 1, yes, 1 year as a linebackers coach! He was never a coordinator, never coached in college, never game planned and never called plays, offensively or defensively! I don't believe he has worked long enough in the league to establish any network of coaches, thus having to establish his own network over time. What OL coach does he have a relationship with that he could hire if he fires Forester? He was made assistant head coach by Nolan strictly for his motivational skills. Which I believe he used on York to hire him. He is a great man and I love to listen to him speak, but, I'd rather have the future of the niners in a more qualified coach. Singletary will put everything he has to be a successful HC, I just wonder how long it will take. I think a very long time, if at all.
I don't post much on here, but read the zone everyday, but I am so frustrated with the front office I had to type something out. Fire away, would love to hear your opinions.
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Why was Sing hired in the first place?
Jan 4, 2010 at 11:03 PM
- tommyncal
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Jan 4, 2010 at 11:09 PM
- sacniner
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It was the obvious choice. He took over and it was clear the team was playing a lot harder for him. He kicked VD off the field, brought some authority and credibility. York had to hire him, if not he would of got railed on by fans and media (unless he got a Shanahan or Holmgren type). Sing deserves another year also.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Can't really blame York for sticking with Sing.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Can't really blame York for sticking with Sing.
Jan 4, 2010 at 11:23 PM
- tommyncal
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Originally posted by sacniner:
It was the obvious choice. He took over and it was clear the team was playing a lot harder for him. He kicked VD off the field, brought some authority and credibility. York had to hire him, if not he would of got railed on by fans and media (unless he got a Shanahan or Holmgren type). Sing deserves another year also.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Can't really blame York for sticking with Sing.
No hindsight involved for me. I didn't like the hire from the start. And I'm not saying Sing did a bad job this year, although he didn't do a good job either. I'm looking more at the long term outlook. They played harder for him than Nolan; not a good enough reason to hire him. Most qualified HC's bring authority and credibility. Railed by the fans? Only shows York is unsure of himself and his inexperience. I'm tired of waiting year after year. Just puts the niners another year behind.
Jan 4, 2010 at 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by tommyncal:Originally posted by sacniner:
It was the obvious choice. He took over and it was clear the team was playing a lot harder for him. He kicked VD off the field, brought some authority and credibility. York had to hire him, if not he would of got railed on by fans and media (unless he got a Shanahan or Holmgren type). Sing deserves another year also.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Can't really blame York for sticking with Sing.
No hindsight involved for me. I didn't like the hire from the start. And I'm not saying Sing did a bad job this year, although he didn't do a good job either. I'm looking more at the long term outlook. They played harder for him than Nolan; not a good enough reason to hire him. Most qualified HC's bring authority and credibility. Railed by the fans? Only shows York is unsure of himself and his inexperience. I'm tired of waiting year after year. Just puts the niners another year behind.
Who would of York hired instead? Holmgren and Shanahan wanted a year off. Besides that, I don't think premiere coaches wanted this job. It all depends on who they would of hired instead of Sing. Most fans, and media, thought it was a no brainer at the time. You were definitely in the minority at the time.
Jan 4, 2010 at 11:56 PM
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I thought it was a no brainer, getting a 5-4 finish out of a 2-5 team was good work. Now having a whole year from start to finish he comes up with 8-8. I am afraid he doesn't have the skills to take the next step. I am afraid high profile coaches are not interested in coaching here, I don't think the Yorks want to pay top dollar. So we can only hope for an inexperienced no name to turn into a good head coach. The only other option that fits the York's budget is proven losers like Dennis Erickson.
Jan 4, 2010 at 11:58 PM
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He represented great value to the YORKIES. Instead of paying $5 - $6 MILLION they got a bargain basement value HC. That's what they always seek. Good value rather than a great coach with experience. Plus they didn't have to go through the TEDIUS interview process of looking at 3, 5, 7 candidates and narrowing it down which is stressful and time consuming. The YORKIES have been mailing it in for years. They don't try. That should be obvious by now.
1) Great Value (CHEAP).
2) Don't have to go through the tedius interview process (too much work).
Plus we have JED "Silver Spoon" YORKIE who is a 27 year old Billionaires kid who ZERO experience at anything in life. He is completely overmatched and overwhelmed. Singletary probably gave him one good speech or said some motivational words about Vernon Davis and Spoon gave him the job.
Our organization is a joke. Probably only the Raiders and Lions are worse.
1) Great Value (CHEAP).
2) Don't have to go through the tedius interview process (too much work).
Plus we have JED "Silver Spoon" YORKIE who is a 27 year old Billionaires kid who ZERO experience at anything in life. He is completely overmatched and overwhelmed. Singletary probably gave him one good speech or said some motivational words about Vernon Davis and Spoon gave him the job.
Our organization is a joke. Probably only the Raiders and Lions are worse.
Jan 5, 2010 at 5:40 AM
- Niners99
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Originally posted by tommyncal:Originally posted by sacniner:
It was the obvious choice. He took over and it was clear the team was playing a lot harder for him. He kicked VD off the field, brought some authority and credibility. York had to hire him, if not he would of got railed on by fans and media (unless he got a Shanahan or Holmgren type). Sing deserves another year also.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Can't really blame York for sticking with Sing.
No hindsight involved for me. I didn't like the hire from the start. And I'm not saying Sing did a bad job this year, although he didn't do a good job either. I'm looking more at the long term outlook. They played harder for him than Nolan; not a good enough reason to hire him. Most qualified HC's bring authority and credibility. Railed by the fans? Only shows York is unsure of himself and his inexperience. I'm tired of waiting year after year. Just puts the niners another year behind.
lol you were the guy that said "why did we hire this Bill Walsh guy....ever since he came hes putting all this blind faith in that Montana kid from Notre Dame. he doesnt have the arm. this isnt working, hes been here 2 years now and hes 8-24. bad hire."
FAIL.
have some patience, Dennis Erickson had plenty of coaching experience at all levels, and he was horrible. Mike Nolan had been a very successful position coach as well as D-Coor. he was horrible too. experience doesnt mean anything, its results. Sing got immediate results from this team that Nolan couldnt get. with time, he will get things going.
i cant beleive after a whole season of seeing this team go from defensive mediocrity to defensive dominance, top 5 in sacks, 1st in the NFL in forced fumbles, top 5 rush D, etc, and and offense that produced 2 of the best pass catching weapons weve seen since T.O., that people calling Sing a bad coach.
anyone remember 2003-2008 mid season? i do. this team is WAY better. this is the most talented, disciplined, team oriented 49ers ive seen since Steve Mariucci was the coach.
Jan 5, 2010 at 5:51 AM
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CAUSE WE DON'T CARE ABOUT DA MOUF, WE WANNA HIT DEM IN DA CARDINALS!
Jan 5, 2010 at 6:06 AM
- 49erman5692
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his an amazing motivational coach who can get his players to fight all day long
Jan 5, 2010 at 6:06 AM
- JR80Forever
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He represented great value to the YORKIES. Instead of paying $5 - $6 MILLION they got a bargain basement value HC. That's what they always seek. Good value rather than a great coach with experience. Plus they didn't have to go through the TEDIUS interview process of looking at 3, 5, 7 candidates and narrowing it down which is stressful and time consuming. The YORKIES have been mailing it in for years. They don't try. That should be obvious by now.
1) Great Value (CHEAP).
2) Don't have to go through the tedius interview process (too much work).
Plus we have JED "Silver Spoon" YORKIE who is a 27 year old Billionaires kid who ZERO experience at anything in life. He is completely overmatched and overwhelmed. Singletary probably gave him one good speech or said some motivational words about Vernon Davis and Spoon gave him the job.
Our organization is a joke. Probably only the Raiders and Lions are worse.
Saying a 27 year old guy has zero experience makes no sense. How is that possible?
Jan 5, 2010 at 6:35 AM
- CorvaNinerFan
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As SD said, he was available and he was cheap. That's the norm for the Yorks...find the easy way out. Jed is young and inexperienced...but I'll give him one thing, at least he's interested, as opposed to his parents. They like the idea of owning an NFL team, but aren't willing to be proactive owners. In contrast to what they did, check out what the Bills have done...which is basically clean house. Chances are, they'll hire either Billick or Cowher...I'm thinking it'll be the latter, but we'll see. The point is, whomever gets hired will have the freedom to hire their own staff and start over. Our best hope is Singletary progresses as a head coach, and Jed has the cojones to sign some good FA's to get us to the next level. The other part is to insure McCloughan has a killer draft. If Jed can do that, we just might be ok...
Jan 5, 2010 at 6:35 AM
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bc he pulls his pants down
Jan 5, 2010 at 7:15 AM
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Originally posted by Niners99:Originally posted by tommyncal:Originally posted by sacniner:
It was the obvious choice. He took over and it was clear the team was playing a lot harder for him. He kicked VD off the field, brought some authority and credibility. York had to hire him, if not he would of got railed on by fans and media (unless he got a Shanahan or Holmgren type). Sing deserves another year also.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Can't really blame York for sticking with Sing.
No hindsight involved for me. I didn't like the hire from the start. And I'm not saying Sing did a bad job this year, although he didn't do a good job either. I'm looking more at the long term outlook. They played harder for him than Nolan; not a good enough reason to hire him. Most qualified HC's bring authority and credibility. Railed by the fans? Only shows York is unsure of himself and his inexperience. I'm tired of waiting year after year. Just puts the niners another year behind.
lol you were the guy that said "why did we hire this Bill Walsh guy....ever since he came hes putting all this blind faith in that Montana kid from Notre Dame. he doesnt have the arm. this isnt working, hes been here 2 years now and hes 8-24. bad hire."
FAIL.
have some patience, Dennis Erickson had plenty of coaching experience at all levels, and he was horrible. Mike Nolan had been a very successful position coach as well as D-Coor. he was horrible too. experience doesnt mean anything, its results. Sing got immediate results from this team that Nolan couldnt get. with time, he will get things going.
i cant beleive after a whole season of seeing this team go from defensive mediocrity to defensive dominance, top 5 in sacks, 1st in the NFL in forced fumbles, top 5 rush D, etc, and and offense that produced 2 of the best pass catching weapons weve seen since T.O., that people calling Sing a bad coach.
anyone remember 2003-2008 mid season? i do. this team is WAY better. this is the most talented, disciplined, team oriented 49ers ive seen since Steve Mariucci was the coach.
This.
Jan 5, 2010 at 7:19 AM
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Originally posted by Niners99:Originally posted by tommyncal:Originally posted by sacniner:
It was the obvious choice. He took over and it was clear the team was playing a lot harder for him. He kicked VD off the field, brought some authority and credibility. York had to hire him, if not he would of got railed on by fans and media (unless he got a Shanahan or Holmgren type). Sing deserves another year also.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Can't really blame York for sticking with Sing.
No hindsight involved for me. I didn't like the hire from the start. And I'm not saying Sing did a bad job this year, although he didn't do a good job either. I'm looking more at the long term outlook. They played harder for him than Nolan; not a good enough reason to hire him. Most qualified HC's bring authority and credibility. Railed by the fans? Only shows York is unsure of himself and his inexperience. I'm tired of waiting year after year. Just puts the niners another year behind.
lol you were the guy that said "why did we hire this Bill Walsh guy....ever since he came hes putting all this blind faith in that Montana kid from Notre Dame. he doesnt have the arm. this isnt working, hes been here 2 years now and hes 8-24. bad hire."
FAIL.
have some patience, Dennis Erickson had plenty of coaching experience at all levels, and he was horrible. Mike Nolan had been a very successful position coach as well as D-Coor. he was horrible too. experience doesnt mean anything, its results. Sing got immediate results from this team that Nolan couldnt get. with time, he will get things going.
i cant beleive after a whole season of seeing this team go from defensive mediocrity to defensive dominance, top 5 in sacks, 1st in the NFL in forced fumbles, top 5 rush D, etc, and and offense that produced 2 of the best pass catching weapons weve seen since T.O., that people calling Sing a bad coach.
anyone remember 2003-2008 mid season? i do. this team is WAY better. this is the most talented, disciplined, team oriented 49ers ive seen since Steve Mariucci was the coach.
Great post
Jan 5, 2010 at 7:58 AM
- samoan49er
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Originally posted by valrod33:Originally posted by Niners99:Originally posted by tommyncal:Originally posted by sacniner:
It was the obvious choice. He took over and it was clear the team was playing a lot harder for him. He kicked VD off the field, brought some authority and credibility. York had to hire him, if not he would of got railed on by fans and media (unless he got a Shanahan or Holmgren type). Sing deserves another year also.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Can't really blame York for sticking with Sing.
No hindsight involved for me. I didn't like the hire from the start. And I'm not saying Sing did a bad job this year, although he didn't do a good job either. I'm looking more at the long term outlook. They played harder for him than Nolan; not a good enough reason to hire him. Most qualified HC's bring authority and credibility. Railed by the fans? Only shows York is unsure of himself and his inexperience. I'm tired of waiting year after year. Just puts the niners another year behind.
lol you were the guy that said "why did we hire this Bill Walsh guy....ever since he came hes putting all this blind faith in that Montana kid from Notre Dame. he doesnt have the arm. this isnt working, hes been here 2 years now and hes 8-24. bad hire."
FAIL.
have some patience, Dennis Erickson had plenty of coaching experience at all levels, and he was horrible. Mike Nolan had been a very successful position coach as well as D-Coor. he was horrible too. experience doesnt mean anything, its results. Sing got immediate results from this team that Nolan couldnt get. with time, he will get things going.
i cant beleive after a whole season of seeing this team go from defensive mediocrity to defensive dominance, top 5 in sacks, 1st in the NFL in forced fumbles, top 5 rush D, etc, and and offense that produced 2 of the best pass catching weapons weve seen since T.O., that people calling Sing a bad coach.
anyone remember 2003-2008 mid season? i do. this team is WAY better. this is the most talented, disciplined, team oriented 49ers ive seen since Steve Mariucci was the coach.
Great post
Exactly, great post. The problem with today's NFL is that there is too much turnover at the head coaching position. Nobody has patience anymore..