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Rational discussion of the loss

This defense isn't design to stop offense between the 20's. They get their stops inside the red zone and try to limit the other team to field goals. Once Seattle got the ball back close to the 50 yard line. I pretty much feel it's over. Unfortunately the offense couldn't punch it in for TD on the last drive.
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
I won't pin the loss on any one player in particular it wasn't "on frank cuz he fumbled" or "on VD for not catching that one pass." Today's loss was a collective failure by our team.

There were too many mistakes to put the game on just one person or one play. Singletary used his TOs poorly to start the game, we had a TON of drops, the offense couldn't convert a 3rd down, we didn't have good ball security, and some play calling was terrible.

Overall we had no business winning this game. We did coming into it since we are the better team talent wise imo, but with execution like that in all facets of the game, you don't deserve to win.

I agree with ZF in another thread that we shouldn't focus on long term improvement anymore, we need to get impact players in the draft and FA and get ourselves over the hump NOW.

i agree man here are my rationals at 2am CET :
Offense : we're promising but we're making mistakes you shouldn't see this late in the season and certainly not when you're still in the playoffs hunt (drops, penalties, high throws when no pressure, playcalling for less yards then what's needed etc etc ....)
Defense : we're playing nice but we are not dominant, we cannot stop the screen pass and we cannot stop hurry up O, blown coverage in the secondary ...
ST : i just think we should fire the ST coach regardless of what happens to other people : this unit is just NOT PREPARED ! (i'm afraid you could say the same with the O and D sometimes) the listsof mistakes is tooo long to showwwwwwwwww
Coaching staff : they just misfired as a all today : bad playcalling, few adjustements during the game, use of TO is terrible ...

There you have it !
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
I won't pin the loss on any one player in particular it wasn't "on frank cuz he fumbled" or "on VD for not catching that one pass." Today's loss was a collective failure by our team.

There were too many mistakes to put the game on just one person or one play. Singletary used his TOs poorly to start the game, we had a TON of drops, the offense couldn't convert a 3rd down, we didn't have good ball security, and some play calling was terrible.

Overall we had no business winning this game. We did coming into it since we are the better team talent wise imo, but with execution like that in all facets of the game, you don't deserve to win.

I agree with ZF in another thread that we shouldn't focus on long term improvement anymore, we need to get impact players in the draft and FA and get ourselves over the hump NOW.

What long term improvement? Oh that was the drafting strategy used by McCloughan? Improving net wins by 2 or 4 from 2-12 is a long term improvement strategy after 5 years? I would like someone to present one solid example where a team took 5 seasons with high round picks, where the GM was NOT fired after 5 seasons or at the very least on the hot seat when the team started at in the basement. I would like to know the name of the GM that's kept his team in the basement for 5 straight seasons other than Matt Millen and was somehow rewarded for that.

We're not going to get impact players until Scott McCloughan is fired. Sorry but a GMs job is NOT just about drafting and his off-season signings all played roles in helping this team LOSE today:

Jones
Marvel Smith (the absence thereof)
No consistent pass rush (Our best pass-rusher is Ahmad Brooks)

I know, I know. This team is better than the 2005 team, but after 5 drafts shouldn't it be? Yes he's better than Donahue but is that a compliment?

I'm still waiting for my .500 record.
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Drops, fumbles, and poor clock management were why we lost. We all know this, but the question is what are we going to do now?

Win out and hope Arizona drops a few turds?
Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Originally posted by kstolai:
Rationally our coaches suck nuff said.

Rationally we're young in all fazes of the game, including coaching. Chin up guys. The future looks bright and all these mistakes are correctable.

dude i've been hearing how young this team is since Erickson's time. enough is enough. what would be your excuse next year? youth?
We lost this game as a team.

Special teams gave up a fumble.
Defense played well for the most part, but couldn't get stops when they counted.
Offense failed in crucial situations. Too many drops.

Just all round bad play.

-9fA
Rational. It was expected to lose. Afterall the Niners are not that much better than the Seahawks to ever have expected anything more than a series tie.

What was irrational was extending playoff hopes with an assumed win against a team the Niners have NEVER owned like that to just assume the win
Originally posted by danimal:
Rational. It was expected to lose. Afterall the Niners are not that much better than the Seahawks to ever have expected anything more than a series tie.

What was irrational was extending playoff hopes with an assumed win against a team the Niners have NEVER owned like that to just assume the win

I disagree. We had many opportunities to put this game away and it wasn't on our talent, it was our lack of execution and discipline. We didn't seem ready for today.
Just amazing. We didn't play this poorly in preseason. Now we're in the last stretch of the season and all of a sudden we have a trend of loosing games in the finale minutes of the 4th quarter, defensive breakdowns at the worse time, dropping catchable passes, STUPID penalties. How many special team block in the backs are we going to have? Questionable play calls. Are we REALLY getting better?
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Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Originally posted by kstolai:
Rationally our coaches suck nuff said.

Rationally we're young in all fazes of the game, including coaching. Chin up guys. The future looks bright and all these mistakes are correctable.

Agreed. A talent infusion in the secondary and the o-line are needed, but other than that, they just need to keep growing up, including the coaches. They grew alot this year already...I mean....they didn't have a f**king clue who they were at the beggining of this year, and we caqn see now how that has evolved from nothing to something that is really just lacking a a little bit of talent at positions than can be filled and some more experience that comes from playing together. I'm confident they will continue doing that. They are close, on the right track.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
I won't pin the loss on any one player in particular it wasn't "on frank cuz he fumbled" or "on VD for not catching that one pass." Today's loss was a collective failure by our team.

There were too many mistakes to put the game on just one person or one play. Singletary used his TOs poorly to start the game, we had a TON of drops, the offense couldn't convert a 3rd down, we didn't have good ball security, and some play calling was terrible.

Overall we had no business winning this game. We did coming into it since we are the better team talent wise imo, but with execution like that in all facets of the game, you don't deserve to win.

I agree with ZF in another thread that we shouldn't focus on long term improvement anymore, we need to get impact players in the draft and FA and get ourselves over the hump NOW.

What long term improvement? Oh that was the drafting strategy used by McCloughan? Improving net wins by 2 or 4 from 2-12 is a long term improvement strategy after 5 years? I would like someone to present one solid example where a team took 5 seasons with high round picks, where the GM was NOT fired after 5 seasons or at the very least on the hot seat when the team started at in the basement. I would like to know the name of the GM that's kept his team in the basement for 5 straight seasons other than Matt Millen and was somehow rewarded for that.

We're not going to get impact players until Scott McCloughan is fired. Sorry but a GMs job is NOT just about drafting and his off-season signings all played roles in helping this team LOSE today:

Jones
Marvel Smith (the absence thereof)
No consistent pass rush (Our best pass-rusher is Ahmad Brooks)

I know, I know. This team is better than the 2005 team, but after 5 drafts shouldn't it be? Yes he's better than Donahue but is that a compliment?

I'm still waiting for my .500 record.

Me 2.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Originally posted by kstolai:
Rationally our coaches suck nuff said.

Rationally we're young in all fazes of the game, including coaching. Chin up guys. The future looks bright and all these mistakes are correctable.

Check our average age... we are not that young anymore that excuse is sooo 2008

You know that Bruce, Nedney, Roman, Battle, Spikes, Bly, Ulbrich bring that average way up right?

Bruce, Battle, Bly, Ulbrich won't be on our team next year. The core players are very young.
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
Originally posted by danimal:
Rational. It was expected to lose. Afterall the Niners are not that much better than the Seahawks to ever have expected anything more than a series tie.

What was irrational was extending playoff hopes with an assumed win against a team the Niners have NEVER owned like that to just assume the win

I disagree. We had many opportunities to put this game away and it wasn't on our talent, it was our lack of execution and discipline. We didn't seem ready for today.

Well I agree to disagree. As a rule of thumb, a division rival usually has to be head and shoulders above the other in talent to pull off the division sweep. All I am saying is the Niners are NOT head and shoulders better than Seattle talent wise. Especially at QB.
My 2 cents of why we lost:

1. Delanie Walker was mugged in the endzone. Should have been 14-0. Refs blew that one.

2. The reversal on the punt return. Bad execution on Jones and Battle fault.

3. Fumble by Gore.

4. 3rd down and 2 and we throw a bomb??? Bad judgement on Alex snd the coachine staff.

I'm not sure why the usual haters are blaming Singletary. Sure his team wasnt prepared in the 1st quarter but those timeouts didn't effect the game whatsoever.
We lost because of turnovers. Everytime we lose its because of turnovers by special teams. When a turnover happen in special teams, its a big momentum breaker.