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A close look on our QB's stats

wow, only 2 shotgun formations in the second. man, i want indy's Oline. They did what sing wants to do: milk out the clock with a lead.
Originally posted by darkknight49:
wow, only 2 shotgun formations in the second. man, i want indy's Oline. They did what sing wants to do: milk out the clock with a lead.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
What we have here is a complete look at all Alex Smith throws from yesterday. Both from under center and Shotgun looks... with a bit more focus toward the under center passes.

1st Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- VD fails to get second foot in on sideline out route, well thrown
0 for 2 -- Smith hit as he throws dump to Gore... Mathis beat Snyder and affected pass
1 for 3 -- short pass beneath the 1st down marker
2 for 4 -- Crabby runs longer route short of the sticks
3 for 5 -- sharp pass to Bruce
4 for 6 -- VD over the middle
4 for 7 -- overshot VD just a bit on a crossing pattern
5 for 8 -- quick strike to Gore in the seam
6 for 9 -- quick strike to Gore running a quick out route for 4 yds
7 for 10 - bullet in tight coverage to VD in endzone (TD) CB on VD's back

Under Center

1 for 1 -- 5 yard quick pass on 1st... quick hook route to Bruce
2 for 2 -- 13 yards sharp pass to Bruce on a deep hitch
2 for 3 -- quick pass to Crabby, DROPPED as Crabby turned before securing pass (heard footsteps)
3 for 4 -- to Crabby for 12 yds on a comeback 1st...
3 for 5 -- to Crabby, not perfect, but tipped in air by Crabby for INT
3 for 6 -- quick pass DROPPED by Norris
3 for 7 -- Smith scrambled out to sideline, threw out of bounds to get rid of it
4 for 8 -- bullet 27 yarder to Crabby in under/over tight coverage

1st half... summing it up

So out of the 4 incompletions in just the under center throws, there were 2 that were indisputably dropped... another was tipped from the hand of Crabby for a pick, and the other was a throw out of bounds when no targets were seen as open. Just going off of the 2 drops, that puts Smith at 6 for 8 while under center. 1 pass incompletion in Shotgun was due to the QB getting hit as he threw it.

2nd Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- heavy stunt pressure... incomplete pass to Morgan
1 for 2 -- quick pass to Morgan for 4 yds

Under Center

1 for 1 -- swing route for Gore... 7 yard pass
2 for 2 -- tricky screen pass to Gore for 10 yards
2 for 3 -- lazy one-handed DROP by Bruce...
3 for 4 -- quick pass to Crabby caught for minimal yards... Crabby fumbled
3 for 5 -- a DROP for Bruce on an 11 yd hitch route
4 for 6 -- terrific sideline bullet to Crabby for 11 yard comeback
5 for 7 -- great PA pass to sideline for Bruce 20 yds
5 for 8 -- failed screen pass to Coffee
6 for 9 -- nice read and throw to Gore for 7 yds
7 for 10 -- great deep out pass to Crabby for 17 yds
7 for 11 -- out of bounds throw to Crabby
7 for 12 -- clear overthrow to Bruce deep

***the last time we had the ball was with nearly 6 minutes left... Indy milked the rest completely out***

2nd Half... summing it up:

Only TWO passes while in Shotgun were thrown. Smith was 7 for 12 on passes thrown under center. Of those 12... 2 of them were dropped. Just going off of the two dropped passes... Smith was 9 for 12 while throwing from under center.

Total stats by Quarter excluding obvious drops

1st HALF (under center) - Smith = 6 for 8
2nd HALF (under center) - Smith = 9 for 12
TOTAL (under center) = 15 for 20


1st HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 7 for 10
2nd HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 1 for 2
TOTAL (from Shotgun) = 8 for 12

* remember, I'm not even dismissing the Crabby tip for interception... not dismissing the VD toe-tap missed, or the hit while throwing play. Those are all included in these numbers... minus only the indisputable drops. Even if you scoff and refuse to remove the obvious drops, Smith's under center passing looks like this ----> 11/20 from under center


* this whole thing was from someone's claim that Smith is a poor QB from under center

Hey Oldman,

Good breakdown... my advise, ignore the Smith haters, you can't argue with irrational, illogical and uninformed minds.
Excellent breakdown. Looks like we should consistently mix up both. Personally, I wanna see spread formations early in the game. I feel like in the old days we used to put opponents away early. Just go straight for the jugular. Now we play this, "score a little here and there" and "wait and see" and "manage." We've been doing it since 2005 and it hasnt worked. Smith is FINALLY coming around, so why not just let him do his thing. He's proven 6 quarters later that he can be trusted and is capable of getting it done. I dont understand why we cant just run the spread 55-65% of the time...especially in the beginning. A solid, quick, and demoralizing TD drive in the beginning of the game (with 5-7 completed passes) is "smash mouth...punch them in the mouth" football to me. WHat better way to kill an opponents confidence by dissecting them all over the field. I just think we need to have a more quick strike mentality. "Shock and Awe" Offense.
Originally posted by jcs:
Teams will plan against the spread and with this Oline we would get him killed.

And this is exactly when you would have success surprising them with a power running game...
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Originally posted by cestmoi:
crabby is the worst nickname of all time

Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
What we have here is a complete look at all Alex Smith throws from yesterday. Both from under center and Shotgun looks... with a bit more focus toward the under center passes.

1st Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- VD fails to get second foot in on sideline out route, well thrown
0 for 2 -- Smith hit as he throws dump to Gore... Mathis beat Snyder and affected pass
1 for 3 -- short pass beneath the 1st down marker
2 for 4 -- Crabby runs longer route short of the sticks
3 for 5 -- sharp pass to Bruce
4 for 6 -- VD over the middle
4 for 7 -- overshot VD just a bit on a crossing pattern
5 for 8 -- quick strike to Gore in the seam
6 for 9 -- quick strike to Gore running a quick out route for 4 yds
7 for 10 - bullet in tight coverage to VD in endzone (TD) CB on VD's back

Under Center

1 for 1 -- 5 yard quick pass on 1st... quick hook route to Bruce
2 for 2 -- 13 yards sharp pass to Bruce on a deep hitch
2 for 3 -- quick pass to Crabby, DROPPED as Crabby turned before securing pass (heard footsteps)
3 for 4 -- to Crabby for 12 yds on a comeback 1st...
3 for 5 -- to Crabby, not perfect, but tipped in air by Crabby for INT
3 for 6 -- quick pass DROPPED by Norris
3 for 7 -- Smith scrambled out to sideline, threw out of bounds to get rid of it
4 for 8 -- bullet 10 yarder to Crabby in under/over tight coverage

1st half... summing it up

So out of the 4 incompletions in just the under center throws, there were 2 that were indisputably dropped... another was tipped from the hand of Crabby for a pick, and the other was a throw out of bounds when no targets were seen as open. Just going off of the 2 drops, that puts Smith at 6 for 8 while under center. 1 pass incompletion in Shotgun was due to the QB getting hit as he threw it.

2nd Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- heavy stunt pressure... incomplete pass to Morgan
1 for 2 -- quick pass to Morgan for 4 yds

Under Center

1 for 1 -- swing route for Gore... 7 yard pass
2 for 2 -- tricky screen pass to Gore for 10 yards
2 for 3 -- lazy one-handed DROP by Bruce...
3 for 4 -- quick pass to Crabby caught for minimal yards... Crabby fumbled
3 for 5 -- a DROP for Bruce on an 11 yd hitch route
4 for 6 -- terrific sideline bullet to Crabby for 11 yard comeback
5 for 7 -- great PA pass to sideline for Bruce 20 yds
5 for 8 -- failed screen pass to Coffee
6 for 9 -- nice read and throw to Gore for 7 yds
7 for 10 -- great deep out pass to Crabby for 17 yds
7 for 11 -- out of bounds throw to Crabby
7 for 12 -- clear overthrow to Bruce deep

***the last time we had the ball was with nearly 6 minutes left... Indy milked the rest completely out***

2nd Half... summing it up:

Only TWO passes while in Shotgun were thrown. Smith was 7 for 12 on passes thrown under center. Of those 12... 2 of them were dropped. Just going off of the two dropped passes... Smith was 9 for 12 while throwing from under center.

Total stats by Quarter excluding obvious drops

1st HALF (under center) - Smith = 6 for 8
2nd HALF (under center) - Smith = 9 for 12
TOTAL (under center) = 15 for 20


1st HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 7 for 10
2nd HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 1 for 2
TOTAL (from Shotgun) = 8 for 12

* remember, I'm not even dismissing the Crabby tip for interception... not dismissing the VD toe-tap missed, or the hit while throwing play. Those are all included in these numbers... minus only the indisputable drops. Even if you scoff and refuse to remove the obvious drops, Smith's under center passing looks like this ----> 11/20 from under center


* this whole thing was from someone's claim that Smith is a poor QB from under center

I really want to know Smith's QB rating under the traditional offense vs. the spread.

I define a spread formation as a formation that uses most of the horizontal space on the field..."spread" is a matter of degrees.

I would classify the spread as plays with at least 3 WRs -- or 2 TEs and 2 WRs with one of the TEs split out; these plays can be from the shortgun or from under center.

From "spread" formations, I bet Alex is fantastic.

Teams will plan against the spread and with this Oline we would get him killed.

If Alex is as smart as some feel he is.....he should be able to over come this......if we spread the defense out, then it should be easier to see who is blitzing and who is not....or at least be easier for Alex to able to see them comming and having more time to adjust at the last second.....if it is a 4 man rush and they still penetrate, then Alex can leave the pocket and go from there.........but the main reason to give these formations more of a try is because Alex seems more comfortable in them......lets see what he can do in something he feels very comfortable with....

but all this being said, I still don't know how I read Alex as far as this whole Shotgun Spread success........the only time we have used it is when the other teams are playing prevent or not as aggressive......so I don't know if Alex is doing great or if the defense is making it easier for him to move down field until the Red Zone....where Alex still scores on them.

so this is why we should still bring out the spread offense....to see if Alex running it is legit or just prevent defense giving up yardage.

the thing about Spread offense is that we can still hit Crabtree for screens or draws to Gore...or screens to Gore........or hell we can come out in a 2Wrs 2TE 1RB formation and shift to Shotgun 4 wide with having Vernon and Delanie as WRs matched up against LB/DBs........and STILL run the ball from this formation with the defense spread out......I'm not saying we have to be all exotic all the time....but mix it up man.
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Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
What we have here is a complete look at all Alex Smith throws from yesterday. Both from under center and Shotgun looks... with a bit more focus toward the under center passes.

1st Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- VD fails to get second foot in on sideline out route, well thrown
0 for 2 -- Smith hit as he throws dump to Gore... Mathis beat Snyder and affected pass
1 for 3 -- short pass beneath the 1st down marker
2 for 4 -- Crabby runs longer route short of the sticks
3 for 5 -- sharp pass to Bruce
4 for 6 -- VD over the middle
4 for 7 -- overshot VD just a bit on a crossing pattern
5 for 8 -- quick strike to Gore in the seam
6 for 9 -- quick strike to Gore running a quick out route for 4 yds
7 for 10 - bullet in tight coverage to VD in endzone (TD) CB on VD's back

Under Center

1 for 1 -- 5 yard quick pass on 1st... quick hook route to Bruce
2 for 2 -- 13 yards sharp pass to Bruce on a deep hitch
2 for 3 -- quick pass to Crabby, DROPPED as Crabby turned before securing pass (heard footsteps)
3 for 4 -- to Crabby for 12 yds on a comeback 1st...
3 for 5 -- to Crabby, not perfect, but tipped in air by Crabby for INT
3 for 6 -- quick pass DROPPED by Norris
3 for 7 -- Smith scrambled out to sideline, threw out of bounds to get rid of it
4 for 8 -- bullet 10 yarder to Crabby in under/over tight coverage

1st half... summing it up

So out of the 4 incompletions in just the under center throws, there were 2 that were indisputably dropped... another was tipped from the hand of Crabby for a pick, and the other was a throw out of bounds when no targets were seen as open. Just going off of the 2 drops, that puts Smith at 6 for 8 while under center. 1 pass incompletion in Shotgun was due to the QB getting hit as he threw it.

2nd Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- heavy stunt pressure... incomplete pass to Morgan
1 for 2 -- quick pass to Morgan for 4 yds

Under Center

1 for 1 -- swing route for Gore... 7 yard pass
2 for 2 -- tricky screen pass to Gore for 10 yards
2 for 3 -- lazy one-handed DROP by Bruce...
3 for 4 -- quick pass to Crabby caught for minimal yards... Crabby fumbled
3 for 5 -- a DROP for Bruce on an 11 yd hitch route
4 for 6 -- terrific sideline bullet to Crabby for 11 yard comeback
5 for 7 -- great PA pass to sideline for Bruce 20 yds
5 for 8 -- failed screen pass to Coffee
6 for 9 -- nice read and throw to Gore for 7 yds
7 for 10 -- great deep out pass to Crabby for 17 yds
7 for 11 -- out of bounds throw to Crabby
7 for 12 -- clear overthrow to Bruce deep

***the last time we had the ball was with nearly 6 minutes left... Indy milked the rest completely out***

2nd Half... summing it up:

Only TWO passes while in Shotgun were thrown. Smith was 7 for 12 on passes thrown under center. Of those 12... 2 of them were dropped. Just going off of the two dropped passes... Smith was 9 for 12 while throwing from under center.

Total stats by Quarter excluding obvious drops

1st HALF (under center) - Smith = 6 for 8
2nd HALF (under center) - Smith = 9 for 12
TOTAL (under center) = 15 for 20


1st HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 7 for 10
2nd HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 1 for 2
TOTAL (from Shotgun) = 8 for 12

* remember, I'm not even dismissing the Crabby tip for interception... not dismissing the VD toe-tap missed, or the hit while throwing play. Those are all included in these numbers... minus only the indisputable drops. Even if you scoff and refuse to remove the obvious drops, Smith's under center passing looks like this ----> 11/20 from under center


* this whole thing was from someone's claim that Smith is a poor QB from under center

I really want to know Smith's QB rating under the traditional offense vs. the spread.

I define a spread formation as a formation that uses most of the horizontal space on the field..."spread" is a matter of degrees.

I would classify the spread as plays with at least 3 WRs -- or 2 TEs and 2 WRs with one of the TEs split out; these plays can be from the shortgun or from under center.

From "spread" formations, I bet Alex is fantastic.

I bet teams would shceme against it and the net result would be the same. Alex would probably be as effective as he is in the current scheme and no more. Right now, they haven't really paid any attention to it, as we have not shown those looks much at all,start showing those looks more, and they will start schemeing against it, with the net result probably being equal to what we have now, IMHO. One caveat: The more looks they have to defend, the better. So we should be spreading it out more if we can, even if to just give them something else to scheme for.

Bottom line, just as there is more than one way to skin a cat offensively, there is more than way to skin a cat defensively, too.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Smith's drop under center is not a problem. I use to hate to see the shotgun from a Niner offense even when Garcia was here. But times are changing. Seeing Manning running both undercenter and shotgun, it's good to see Smith can operate both.

This is the Neo-Smith v2.0. All the slow release(actually hesitation), shotgun exclusive, bad mechanic, throw it away, run out of bound or into a sack, not stepping up in the pocket, are not there on a consistent basis anymore.

The kid is doing a good job and improving. Give him protection and all will be good.

Agree this kid is only gonna get better as the year goes. Very excited to watch him grow & mature here.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
If Alex is as smart as some feel he is.....he should be able to over come this......if we spread the defense out, then it should be easier to see who is blitzing and who is not....or at least be easier for Alex to able to see them comming and having more time to adjust at the last second.....if it is a 4 man rush and they still penetrate, then Alex can leave the pocket and go from there.........but the main reason to give these formations more of a try is because Alex seems more comfortable in them......lets see what he can do in something he feels very comfortable with....

but all this being said, I still don't know how I read Alex as far as this whole Shotgun Spread success........the only time we have used it is when the other teams are playing prevent or not as aggressive......so I don't know if Alex is doing great or if the defense is making it easier for him to move down field until the Red Zone....where Alex still scores on them.

so this is why we should still bring out the spread offense....to see if Alex running it is legit or just prevent defense giving up yardage.

the thing about Spread offense is that we can still hit Crabtree for screens or draws to Gore...or screens to Gore........or hell we can come out in a 2Wrs 2TE 1RB formation and shift to Shotgun 4 wide with having Vernon and Delanie as WRs matched up against LB/DBs........and STILL run the ball from this formation with the defense spread out......I'm not saying we have to be all exotic all the time....but mix it up man.

Holy sht I think we would PWN doing this...
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