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A close look on our QB's stats

What we have here is a complete look at all Alex Smith throws from yesterday. Both from under center and Shotgun looks... with a bit more focus toward the under center passes.

1st Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- VD fails to get second foot in on sideline out route, well thrown
0 for 2 -- Smith hit as he throws dump to Gore... Mathis beat Snyder and affected pass
1 for 3 -- short pass beneath the 1st down marker
2 for 4 -- Crabby runs longer route short of the sticks
3 for 5 -- sharp pass to Bruce
4 for 6 -- VD over the middle
4 for 7 -- overshot VD just a bit on a crossing pattern
5 for 8 -- quick strike to Gore in the seam
6 for 9 -- quick strike to Gore running a quick out route for 4 yds
7 for 10 - bullet in tight coverage to VD in endzone (TD) CB on VD's back

Under Center

1 for 1 -- 5 yard quick pass on 1st... quick hook route to Bruce
2 for 2 -- 13 yards sharp pass to Bruce on a deep hitch
2 for 3 -- quick pass to Crabby, DROPPED as Crabby turned before securing pass (heard footsteps)
3 for 4 -- to Crabby for 12 yds on a comeback 1st...
3 for 5 -- to Crabby, not perfect, but tipped in air by Crabby for INT
3 for 6 -- quick pass DROPPED by Norris
3 for 7 -- Smith scrambled out to sideline, threw out of bounds to get rid of it
4 for 8 -- bullet 27 yarder to Crabby in under/over tight coverage

1st half... summing it up

So out of the 4 incompletions in just the under center throws, there were 2 that were indisputably dropped... another was tipped from the hand of Crabby for a pick, and the other was a throw out of bounds when no targets were seen as open. Just going off of the 2 drops, that puts Smith at 6 for 8 while under center. 1 pass incompletion in Shotgun was due to the QB getting hit as he threw it.

2nd Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- heavy stunt pressure... incomplete pass to Morgan
1 for 2 -- quick pass to Morgan for 4 yds

Under Center

1 for 1 -- swing route for Gore... 7 yard pass
2 for 2 -- tricky screen pass to Gore for 10 yards
2 for 3 -- lazy one-handed DROP by Bruce...
3 for 4 -- quick pass to Crabby caught for minimal yards... Crabby fumbled
3 for 5 -- a DROP for Bruce on an 11 yd hitch route
4 for 6 -- terrific sideline bullet to Crabby for 11 yard comeback
5 for 7 -- great PA pass to sideline for Bruce 20 yds
5 for 8 -- failed screen pass to Coffee
6 for 9 -- nice read and throw to Gore for 7 yds
7 for 10 -- great deep out pass to Crabby for 17 yds
7 for 11 -- out of bounds throw to Crabby
7 for 12 -- clear overthrow to Bruce deep

***the last time we had the ball was with nearly 6 minutes left... Indy milked the rest completely out***

2nd Half... summing it up:

Only TWO passes while in Shotgun were thrown. Smith was 7 for 12 on passes thrown under center. Of those 12... 2 of them were dropped. Just going off of the two dropped passes... Smith was 9 for 12 while throwing from under center.

Total stats by Quarter excluding obvious drops

1st HALF (under center) - Smith = 6 for 8
2nd HALF (under center) - Smith = 9 for 12
TOTAL (under center) = 15 for 20


1st HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 7 for 10
2nd HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 1 for 2
TOTAL (from Shotgun) = 8 for 12

* remember, I'm not even dismissing the Crabby tip for interception... not dismissing the VD toe-tap missed, or the hit while throwing play. Those are all included in these numbers... minus only the indisputable drops. Even if you scoff and refuse to remove the obvious drops, Smith's under center passing looks like this ----> 11/20 from under center


* this whole thing was from someone's claim that Smith is a poor QB from under center

[ Edited by oldman9er on Nov 2, 2009 at 09:23:58 ]
you forgot the 27 yard completion to crabtree that was undercenter
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
you forgot the 27 yard completion to crabtree that was undercenter

Was that the one called back from a penalty? I'm not including penalty plays called back... as they technically didn't happen.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
you forgot the 27 yard completion to crabtree that was undercenter

Was that the one called back from a penalty? I'm not including penalty plays called back... as they technically didn't happen.

it was the first pass in the 2 minute drill
Smith's drop under center is not a problem. I use to hate to see the shotgun from a Niner offense even when Garcia was here. But times are changing. Seeing Manning running both undercenter and shotgun, it's good to see Smith can operate both.

This is the Neo-Smith v2.0. All the slow release(actually hesitation), shotgun exclusive, bad mechanic, throw it away, run out of bound or into a sack, not stepping up in the pocket, are not there on a consistent basis anymore.

The kid is doing a good job and improving. Give him protection and all will be good.
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
you forgot the 27 yard completion to crabtree that was undercenter

Was that the one called back from a penalty? I'm not including penalty plays called back... as they technically didn't happen.

it was the first pass in the 2 minute drill

Oh man... now I'm all screwed up... ok gotcha.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
What we have here is a complete look at all Alex Smith throws from yesterday. Both from under center and Shotgun looks... with a bit more focus toward the under center passes.

1st Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- VD fails to get second foot in on sideline out route, well thrown
0 for 2 -- Smith hit as he throws dump to Gore... Mathis beat Snyder and affected pass
1 for 3 -- short pass beneath the 1st down marker
2 for 4 -- Crabby runs longer route short of the sticks
3 for 5 -- sharp pass to Bruce
4 for 6 -- VD over the middle
4 for 7 -- overshot VD just a bit on a crossing pattern
5 for 8 -- quick strike to Gore in the seam
6 for 9 -- quick strike to Gore running a quick out route for 4 yds
7 for 10 - bullet in tight coverage to VD in endzone (TD) CB on VD's back

Under Center

1 for 1 -- 5 yard quick pass on 1st... quick hook route to Bruce
2 for 2 -- 13 yards sharp pass to Bruce on a deep hitch
2 for 3 -- quick pass to Crabby, DROPPED as Crabby turned before securing pass (heard footsteps)
3 for 4 -- to Crabby for 12 yds on a comeback 1st...
3 for 5 -- to Crabby, not perfect, but tipped in air by Crabby for INT
3 for 6 -- quick pass DROPPED by Norris
3 for 7 -- Smith scrambled out to sideline, threw out of bounds to get rid of it
4 for 8 -- bullet 10 yarder to Crabby in under/over tight coverage

1st half... summing it up

So out of the 4 incompletions in just the under center throws, there were 2 that were indisputably dropped... another was tipped from the hand of Crabby for a pick, and the other was a throw out of bounds when no targets were seen as open. Just going off of the 2 drops, that puts Smith at 6 for 8 while under center. 1 pass incompletion in Shotgun was due to the QB getting hit as he threw it.

2nd Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- heavy stunt pressure... incomplete pass to Morgan
1 for 2 -- quick pass to Morgan for 4 yds

Under Center

1 for 1 -- swing route for Gore... 7 yard pass
2 for 2 -- tricky screen pass to Gore for 10 yards
2 for 3 -- lazy one-handed DROP by Bruce...
3 for 4 -- quick pass to Crabby caught for minimal yards... Crabby fumbled
3 for 5 -- a DROP for Bruce on an 11 yd hitch route
4 for 6 -- terrific sideline bullet to Crabby for 11 yard comeback
5 for 7 -- great PA pass to sideline for Bruce 20 yds
5 for 8 -- failed screen pass to Coffee
6 for 9 -- nice read and throw to Gore for 7 yds
7 for 10 -- great deep out pass to Crabby for 17 yds
7 for 11 -- out of bounds throw to Crabby
7 for 12 -- clear overthrow to Bruce deep

***the last time we had the ball was with nearly 6 minutes left... Indy milked the rest completely out***

2nd Half... summing it up:

Only TWO passes while in Shotgun were thrown. Smith was 7 for 12 on passes thrown under center. Of those 12... 2 of them were dropped. Just going off of the two dropped passes... Smith was 9 for 12 while throwing from under center.

Total stats by Quarter excluding obvious drops

1st HALF (under center) - Smith = 6 for 8
2nd HALF (under center) - Smith = 9 for 12
TOTAL (under center) = 15 for 20


1st HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 7 for 10
2nd HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 1 for 2
TOTAL (from Shotgun) = 8 for 12

* remember, I'm not even dismissing the Crabby tip for interception... not dismissing the VD toe-tap missed, or the hit while throwing play. Those are all included in these numbers... minus only the indisputable drops. Even if you scoff and refuse to remove the obvious drops, Smith's under center passing looks like this ----> 11/20 from under center


* this whole thing was from someone's claim that Smith is a poor QB from under center

I really want to know Smith's QB rating under the traditional offense vs. the spread.

I define a spread formation as a formation that uses most of the horizontal space on the field..."spread" is a matter of degrees.

I would classify the spread as plays with at least 3 WRs -- or 2 TEs and 2 WRs with one of the TEs split out; these plays can be from the shortgun or from under center.

From "spread" formations, I bet Alex is fantastic.
good break down
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
you forgot the 27 yard completion to crabtree that was undercenter

Was that the one called back from a penalty? I'm not including penalty plays called back... as they technically didn't happen.

it was the first pass in the 2 minute drill

Okay, I now see what I did there... I had the play listed, but had an incorrect yardage applied to it. Thanks though...
Aside from the stats I also liked how Smith was always clapping in the huddle and trying to keep everyone motivated.
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Originally posted by hklar17:
Aside from the stats I also liked how Smith was always clapping in the huddle and trying to keep everyone motivated.

That's called commanding the huddle, something Smith hasn't done in the past and good to see hes developed that. Now only if they could get the plays called in earlier, so Smith has time to audible.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by hklar17:
Aside from the stats I also liked how Smith was always clapping in the huddle and trying to keep everyone motivated.

That's called commanding the huddle, something Smith hasn't done in the past and good to see hes developed that. Now only if they could get the plays called in earlier, so Smith has time to audible.

Let him call his own plays lol
crabby is the worst nickname of all time
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Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
What we have here is a complete look at all Alex Smith throws from yesterday. Both from under center and Shotgun looks... with a bit more focus toward the under center passes.

1st Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- VD fails to get second foot in on sideline out route, well thrown
0 for 2 -- Smith hit as he throws dump to Gore... Mathis beat Snyder and affected pass
1 for 3 -- short pass beneath the 1st down marker
2 for 4 -- Crabby runs longer route short of the sticks
3 for 5 -- sharp pass to Bruce
4 for 6 -- VD over the middle
4 for 7 -- overshot VD just a bit on a crossing pattern
5 for 8 -- quick strike to Gore in the seam
6 for 9 -- quick strike to Gore running a quick out route for 4 yds
7 for 10 - bullet in tight coverage to VD in endzone (TD) CB on VD's back

Under Center

1 for 1 -- 5 yard quick pass on 1st... quick hook route to Bruce
2 for 2 -- 13 yards sharp pass to Bruce on a deep hitch
2 for 3 -- quick pass to Crabby, DROPPED as Crabby turned before securing pass (heard footsteps)
3 for 4 -- to Crabby for 12 yds on a comeback 1st...
3 for 5 -- to Crabby, not perfect, but tipped in air by Crabby for INT
3 for 6 -- quick pass DROPPED by Norris
3 for 7 -- Smith scrambled out to sideline, threw out of bounds to get rid of it
4 for 8 -- bullet 10 yarder to Crabby in under/over tight coverage

1st half... summing it up

So out of the 4 incompletions in just the under center throws, there were 2 that were indisputably dropped... another was tipped from the hand of Crabby for a pick, and the other was a throw out of bounds when no targets were seen as open. Just going off of the 2 drops, that puts Smith at 6 for 8 while under center. 1 pass incompletion in Shotgun was due to the QB getting hit as he threw it.

2nd Half pass analysis:

Shotgun

0 for 1 -- heavy stunt pressure... incomplete pass to Morgan
1 for 2 -- quick pass to Morgan for 4 yds

Under Center

1 for 1 -- swing route for Gore... 7 yard pass
2 for 2 -- tricky screen pass to Gore for 10 yards
2 for 3 -- lazy one-handed DROP by Bruce...
3 for 4 -- quick pass to Crabby caught for minimal yards... Crabby fumbled
3 for 5 -- a DROP for Bruce on an 11 yd hitch route
4 for 6 -- terrific sideline bullet to Crabby for 11 yard comeback
5 for 7 -- great PA pass to sideline for Bruce 20 yds
5 for 8 -- failed screen pass to Coffee
6 for 9 -- nice read and throw to Gore for 7 yds
7 for 10 -- great deep out pass to Crabby for 17 yds
7 for 11 -- out of bounds throw to Crabby
7 for 12 -- clear overthrow to Bruce deep

***the last time we had the ball was with nearly 6 minutes left... Indy milked the rest completely out***

2nd Half... summing it up:

Only TWO passes while in Shotgun were thrown. Smith was 7 for 12 on passes thrown under center. Of those 12... 2 of them were dropped. Just going off of the two dropped passes... Smith was 9 for 12 while throwing from under center.

Total stats by Quarter excluding obvious drops

1st HALF (under center) - Smith = 6 for 8
2nd HALF (under center) - Smith = 9 for 12
TOTAL (under center) = 15 for 20


1st HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 7 for 10
2nd HALF (from Shotgun) - Smith = 1 for 2
TOTAL (from Shotgun) = 8 for 12

* remember, I'm not even dismissing the Crabby tip for interception... not dismissing the VD toe-tap missed, or the hit while throwing play. Those are all included in these numbers... minus only the indisputable drops. Even if you scoff and refuse to remove the obvious drops, Smith's under center passing looks like this ----> 11/20 from under center


* this whole thing was from someone's claim that Smith is a poor QB from under center

I really want to know Smith's QB rating under the traditional offense vs. the spread.

I define a spread formation as a formation that uses most of the horizontal space on the field..."spread" is a matter of degrees.

I would classify the spread as plays with at least 3 WRs -- or 2 TEs and 2 WRs with one of the TEs split out; these plays can be from the shortgun or from under center.

From "spread" formations, I bet Alex is fantastic.

Teams will plan against the spread and with this Oline we would get him killed.