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Alex Smith & Crabtree Chemistry

Originally posted by valrod33:
It gives him more chemistry with Crabtree, but dont make it seem like Alex stayed in the bay area just because of Crabtree, Alex lives in the bay area so thats why he volunteered to throw to Crabtree

If the niners fall behind and hill is playing poorly you could see alex after the half.....Alex and crabs get going rally from behind and INSTANT CONTROVERSY
Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by valrod33:
It gives him more chemistry with Crabtree, but dont make it seem like Alex stayed in the bay area just because of Crabtree, Alex lives in the bay area so thats why he volunteered to throw to Crabtree

If the niners fall behind and hill is playing poorly you could see alex after the half.....Alex and crabs get going rally from behind and INSTANT CONTROVERSY

I agree brother its Hill day to fall if they're losing by the half or he has a poor performance.

Go 49ers!
Originally posted by susweel:
Chemistry is not made in a week.

You're right, it's made in two weeks. Put Alex in plz.
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
This is funny I had to post. AS of an article I read today, One of the trainers who used to be a QB is now throwing to CTree till Hill gets back. Of course he's back now. So right, there was such fabulous chemistry they took Smith off the job and gave it to a trainer who used to be a QB to throw to him.

Imagine if you are Smith and even, tossing the ball to the new guy is taken away because, They don't the WR to get bad habits from catching Smith's balls!!!!!!!!! That's wot I think.. sad, but so true.

I am not definitely saying Hill is the man of the hour, but Smith's talent level is so low, it makes Hill the starter by default. Just ger Davis in I say. If Sanchez, Stafford, Ryan ( the qb who kicked our ass) and Flacco can do it, then Davis can too. Open your eyes, not everyone comes to the NFL from a trick offense without presence.. oh what's the use, it's all been said before..

Bust, he is, bust he is.

Ok then if you don't believe me, there was a great interview MM did with the guy who studies all the NFL game film and then comments for the NFL, this was a few days ago, and to my mind this is THE most scathing review of A Smith's abilities I have EVER read. To wit:

MM:
I know you haven't seen him play in two years, but is there where Alex Smith, because of his arm strength and the better physical tools, might be the better option at quarterback?

Cosell:
"Well, I don't think Alex Smith has particularly good physical tools. Certainly, we know Shaun Hill has an average to below-average NFL arm. You're right, we haven't seen Alex Smith throw in two years, but the last time we did see him throw and even when he came out (of college), I'd say Alex Smith's arm strength was slightly better than average - nothing more. I'm always leery - I know he's a smart kid - but I don't know how much he's learned. I'm not there. When you play in the Urban Meyer offense, and I can tell you for a fact, that when Alex Smith went through his board work for teams coming out of the draft that he had zero clue about NFL route combination's, which is not surprising. Because in Urban Meyer's offense, nobody does. I'm not a big Alex Smith guy. I think he has limited skills and I think he's got limited understanding."

You guys should really.......... GET OVER HIM!!!
I digress..

GO NINERS BEAT THE TAXASSES!!

I read that too. But notice that he didn't ONCE mention Smith as a 9er. It was all re-hashed Urban Meyer BS. So if you're going to give it credence at least acknowledge that and give Smith some credit where it's due.

But hey if you're still butt hurt over Alex's 50 million contract, I understand that too.

As far as a former QB taking over for Smith working with Crabtree, it could be as simple as taking a precautionary measure to keep Smith ready to go in case of Sing's planning on yanking Hill if the man yet AGAIN goes 3 and out over the 1st half of a game.

I think what you don't understand is that Hill is nothing more than a Backup with limited intangibles, a weak pass, cement shoes( at least this season anyway) and what is shaping up to be slightly better than average leadership quality.

All I know is that if Smith gets another chance I hope that he either makes fools of all those who have trashed him, or shows us once and for all that he is not the guy with the same personnel that Hill has had. I think that it give Raye a better QB to open the playbook up with at least. Because it's being severely limited by having Shaun Hill under Center. That's not opinion. That's a straight up cold hard factual reality.

~Ceadder

Well Cead.. (do you like cheese, or what?)

I did say Hill is not the answer (in bold) and that he is the starter by; default. Only because he is the best we have at the moment without playing Davis to see about him, because, the coaches have seen all they want of Alex. It's a crap shoot to put him in to see if he is better than Hill.

As we all know here in the Zone' You can not play QB correctly, or at all, if you have 1.5-2 seconds to make a play and someone is in your face and sacking or hitting you.

Hill looked much better last year, why, blocking. Pretty simple.

His arm aint big, however it has been big enough to make 40+yrd TD passing plays on occasions when a WR actually gets open and the line is giving the QB 3 to 5 seconds to make a play. He normally does not throw the ball over their heads or at their feet, like someone we know.

After what we have seen, I can't imagine what Smith's playing would be like with the blocking Hill has, NOT, been getting, I just can't imagine. Handling rush pressure, to this point, has ahhh, not been his forte, you know?

You know, I like Smith as a guy, as a team guy, all that. I don't have any issues with his contract coz there is always more busts in the first round than all pros. But unless there is a miracle, or some unforeseen skill set that appears out of no where, Smith is not an upgrade to Hill..

BTW- Cosell works for the NFL, watches film all day, every day, the comments he made were on an NFL level, why does he have to mention Smith plays for the Niners when MM is there specifically, to talk about our Niners. He says his mechanics, his skill set are not good and haven't been good, to his eyes. His eyes have seen more NFL and Collage QBs play than you or anyone here on this internet site...

Smith, STILL, has not learned or, and here we go; "Gotten it" yet, he still doesn't do what he is supposed to do, I don't understand how any of you can argue the point still. Look who MS and the coaches choose, look-read what almost all NFL people say about him, look at his record, his stats, and on and on.. gezzzzzzzzzzz man.

So that's BS in my opinion... that Smith can make a big difference and that I don't like his contract or any of koolaid drinkin denunciations on this simple post i did..

Gosh, I feel so relieved! Now, if only the Oline can block, and IF they do, I think everyone sees the Hill from last year. Then guess what, the Smith talk goes away again till next time, and there will be; a next time..

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
This is funny I had to post. AS of an article I read today, One of the trainers who used to be a QB is now throwing to CTree till Hill gets back. Of course he's back now. So right, there was such fabulous chemistry they took Smith off the job and gave it to a trainer who used to be a QB to throw to him.

Imagine if you are Smith and even, tossing the ball to the new guy is taken away because, They don't the WR to get bad habits from catching Smith's balls!!!!!!!!! That's wot I think.. sad, but so true.

I am not definitely saying Hill is the man of the hour, but Smith's talent level is so low, it makes Hill the starter by default. Just ger Davis in I say. If Sanchez, Stafford, Ryan ( the qb who kicked our ass) and Flacco can do it, then Davis can too. Open your eyes, not everyone comes to the NFL from a trick offense without presence.. oh what's the use, it's all been said before..

Bust, he is, bust he is.

Ok then if you don't believe me, there was a great interview MM did with the guy who studies all the NFL game film and then comments for the NFL, this was a few days ago, and to my mind this is THE most scathing review of A Smith's abilities I have EVER read. To wit:

MM:
I know you haven't seen him play in two years, but is there where Alex Smith, because of his arm strength and the better physical tools, might be the better option at quarterback?

Cosell:
"Well, I don't think Alex Smith has particularly good physical tools. Certainly, we know Shaun Hill has an average to below-average NFL arm. You're right, we haven't seen Alex Smith throw in two years, but the last time we did see him throw and even when he came out (of college), I'd say Alex Smith's arm strength was slightly better than average - nothing more. I'm always leery - I know he's a smart kid - but I don't know how much he's learned. I'm not there. When you play in the Urban Meyer offense, and I can tell you for a fact, that when Alex Smith went through his board work for teams coming out of the draft that he had zero clue about NFL route combination's, which is not surprising. Because in Urban Meyer's offense, nobody does. I'm not a big Alex Smith guy. I think he has limited skills and I think he's got limited understanding."

You guys should really.......... GET OVER HIM!!!
I digress..

GO NINERS BEAT THE TAXASSES!!

So now that Sanchez has thrown more pick in one game than Smith ever has, is he a bust?

Oh yeah?

Judging by what I have seen of him, and what nearly ALL NFL people say about him, and by the way he handles a rush, etc.. You wanna bet his career will blow Smith's out of the water so far, it be like there was never a Smith to talk about? A load of dung.
really they have chemistry from playing catch by themselves?
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
This is funny I had to post. AS of an article I read today, One of the trainers who used to be a QB is now throwing to CTree till Hill gets back. Of course he's back now. So right, there was such fabulous chemistry they took Smith off the job and gave it to a trainer who used to be a QB to throw to him.

Imagine if you are Smith and even, tossing the ball to the new guy is taken away because, They don't the WR to get bad habits from catching Smith's balls!!!!!!!!! That's wot I think.. sad, but so true.

I am not definitely saying Hill is the man of the hour, but Smith's talent level is so low, it makes Hill the starter by default. Just ger Davis in I say. If Sanchez, Stafford, Ryan ( the qb who kicked our ass) and Flacco can do it, then Davis can too. Open your eyes, not everyone comes to the NFL from a trick offense without presence.. oh what's the use, it's all been said before..

Bust, he is, bust he is.

Ok then if you don't believe me, there was a great interview MM did with the guy who studies all the NFL game film and then comments for the NFL, this was a few days ago, and to my mind this is THE most scathing review of A Smith's abilities I have EVER read. To wit:

MM:
I know you haven't seen him play in two years, but is there where Alex Smith, because of his arm strength and the better physical tools, might be the better option at quarterback?

Cosell:
"Well, I don't think Alex Smith has particularly good physical tools. Certainly, we know Shaun Hill has an average to below-average NFL arm. You're right, we haven't seen Alex Smith throw in two years, but the last time we did see him throw and even when he came out (of college), I'd say Alex Smith's arm strength was slightly better than average - nothing more. I'm always leery - I know he's a smart kid - but I don't know how much he's learned. I'm not there. When you play in the Urban Meyer offense, and I can tell you for a fact, that when Alex Smith went through his board work for teams coming out of the draft that he had zero clue about NFL route combination's, which is not surprising. Because in Urban Meyer's offense, nobody does. I'm not a big Alex Smith guy. I think he has limited skills and I think he's got limited understanding."

You guys should really.......... GET OVER HIM!!!
I digress..

GO NINERS BEAT THE TAXASSES!!

I read that too. But notice that he didn't ONCE mention Smith as a 9er. It was all re-hashed Urban Meyer BS. So if you're going to give it credence at least acknowledge that and give Smith some credit where it's due.

But hey if you're still butt hurt over Alex's 50 million contract, I understand that too.

As far as a former QB taking over for Smith working with Crabtree, it could be as simple as taking a precautionary measure to keep Smith ready to go in case of Sing's planning on yanking Hill if the man yet AGAIN goes 3 and out over the 1st half of a game.

I think what you don't understand is that Hill is nothing more than a Backup with limited intangibles, a weak pass, cement shoes( at least this season anyway) and what is shaping up to be slightly better than average leadership quality.

All I know is that if Smith gets another chance I hope that he either makes fools of all those who have trashed him, or shows us once and for all that he is not the guy with the same personnel that Hill has had. I think that it give Raye a better QB to open the playbook up with at least. Because it's being severely limited by having Shaun Hill under Center. That's not opinion. That's a straight up cold hard factual reality.

~Ceadder


Yep,Morgan was questioned after the ATL game about a couple of long passes Hill didn't connect with him on and his answer was we didn't or don't practice those plays!

That tells me the coaches don't have complete confidence in Hill and that's not good.
I'd be very surprised if they stick with him the rest of the season unless the offense starts clicking.

It tells me Raye is doing what MS is telling him to do; and that is RUN the ball and do not take chances. It's the scheme man. Why would they practice anything that they will never use, unless of course they are backed into a corner, and then have to play sand lot ball..

If the coaches don't have faith or whatever to play Hill do you think he would be playing???? Do you people not get what MS does? He makes changes most of the time if something isn't working.. LIKE he is doing with the Oline now. If they block Hill will make some plays, if not,maybe he gets knocked out. Hoowee, then we can see Smith play and run to the right and throw out of bounds and that kind-o-stuff.

Wow...... I just checked this thread after a couple days, so I'm replying..
Originally posted by Afrikan:


you Alex fanatics are too funny....and sad at the same time

how about you root for another team, until the 49ers bench their Starting QB, THAT MAN NAMED SHAUN HILL

wooeee... it burns doesn't it...... Shaun Hill.....Thee Shaun Hill... Starting QB of your NFC WEST Champs, San Francisco 49ers...

Shaun Hill.......Thee Shaun Hill and Alex Smith is the Backup.....only because he gets paid so much....hahahahahaha

you all think they reworked Alex's contract to keep him around, for the long haul?....HA!

You think there was a legitimate QB competition to see if Alex could win "his" staring job back...hahahahaha.... they were just trying to make him look good...well at least average just so they can at least get a 6th round pick for him....but no one was dumb enough to bite.....not even Alex's savior Norv....he High tailed out of here cause he knew what kind of F'd up situation he was in by having Alex Smith as his QB...and forced to stick with him.......and some of you think if he gets fired from SD....that he would ACTUALLY come back here to save Alex

Alex played soooo bad here that the fans wanted Cody Pickett to start over him....hell they wanted Dorsy....hell even Chris Winkie Dinkie Doo......

Alex Smith....seems like a nice kid....well at least he got his money, I ain't mad...do what you do young man........well of course besides trying to be a starting QB in the NFL.......maybe CFL?.....hmmm.....ummm maybe UFL..no I think they have better QBs than him... Brooks Bolinger, Quinten Gray (maybe equal), JP Loseman, Mike McMahon....

I got yer back Afrikan..

Just so, what is perfect, and what is real?
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
This is funny I had to post. AS of an article I read today, One of the trainers who used to be a QB is now throwing to CTree till Hill gets back. Of course he's back now. So right, there was such fabulous chemistry they took Smith off the job and gave it to a trainer who used to be a QB to throw to him.

Imagine if you are Smith and even, tossing the ball to the new guy is taken away because, They don't the WR to get bad habits from catching Smith's balls!!!!!!!!! That's wot I think.. sad, but so true.

I am not definitely saying Hill is the man of the hour, but Smith's talent level is so low, it makes Hill the starter by default. Just ger Davis in I say. If Sanchez, Stafford, Ryan ( the qb who kicked our ass) and Flacco can do it, then Davis can too. Open your eyes, not everyone comes to the NFL from a trick offense without presence.. oh what's the use, it's all been said before..

Bust, he is, bust he is.

Ok then if you don't believe me, there was a great interview MM did with the guy who studies all the NFL game film and then comments for the NFL, this was a few days ago, and to my mind this is THE most scathing review of A Smith's abilities I have EVER read. To wit:

MM:
I know you haven't seen him play in two years, but is there where Alex Smith, because of his arm strength and the better physical tools, might be the better option at quarterback?

Cosell:
"Well, I don't think Alex Smith has particularly good physical tools. Certainly, we know Shaun Hill has an average to below-average NFL arm. You're right, we haven't seen Alex Smith throw in two years, but the last time we did see him throw and even when he came out (of college), I'd say Alex Smith's arm strength was slightly better than average - nothing more. I'm always leery - I know he's a smart kid - but I don't know how much he's learned. I'm not there. When you play in the Urban Meyer offense, and I can tell you for a fact, that when Alex Smith went through his board work for teams coming out of the draft that he had zero clue about NFL route combination's, which is not surprising. Because in Urban Meyer's offense, nobody does. I'm not a big Alex Smith guy. I think he has limited skills and I think he's got limited understanding."

You guys should really.......... GET OVER HIM!!!
I digress..

GO NINERS BEAT THE TAXASSES!!

I read that too. But notice that he didn't ONCE mention Smith as a 9er. It was all re-hashed Urban Meyer BS. So if you're going to give it credence at least acknowledge that and give Smith some credit where it's due.

But hey if you're still butt hurt over Alex's 50 million contract, I understand that too.

As far as a former QB taking over for Smith working with Crabtree, it could be as simple as taking a precautionary measure to keep Smith ready to go in case of Sing's planning on yanking Hill if the man yet AGAIN goes 3 and out over the 1st half of a game.

I think what you don't understand is that Hill is nothing more than a Backup with limited intangibles, a weak pass, cement shoes( at least this season anyway) and what is shaping up to be slightly better than average leadership quality.

All I know is that if Smith gets another chance I hope that he either makes fools of all those who have trashed him, or shows us once and for all that he is not the guy with the same personnel that Hill has had. I think that it give Raye a better QB to open the playbook up with at least. Because it's being severely limited by having Shaun Hill under Center. That's not opinion. That's a straight up cold hard factual reality.

~Ceadder

Well Cead.. (do you like cheese, or what?)

I did say Hill is not the answer (in bold) and that he is the starter by; default. Only because he is the best we have at the moment without playing Davis to see about him, because, the coaches have seen all they want of Alex. It's a crap shoot to put him in to see if he is better than Hill.

As we all know here in the Zone' You can not play QB correctly, or at all, if you have 1.5-2 seconds to make a play and someone is in your face and sacking or hitting you.

Hill looked much better last year, why, blocking. Pretty simple.

His arm aint big, however it has been big enough to make 40+yrd TD passing plays on occasions when a WR actually gets open and the line is giving the QB 3 to 5 seconds to make a play. He normally does not throw the ball over their heads or at their feet, like someone we know.

After what we have seen, I can't imagine what Smith's playing would be like with the blocking Hill has, NOT, been getting, I just can't imagine. Handling rush pressure, to this point, has ahhh, not been his forte, you know?

You know, I like Smith as a guy, as a team guy, all that. I don't have any issues with his contract coz there is always more busts in the first round than all pros. But unless there is a miracle, or some unforeseen skill set that appears out of no where, Smith is not an upgrade to Hill..

BTW- Cosell works for the NFL, watches film all day, every day, the comments he made were on an NFL level, why does he have to mention Smith plays for the Niners when MM is there specifically, to talk about our Niners. He says his mechanics, his skill set are not good and haven't been good, to his eyes. His eyes have seen more NFL and Collage QBs play than you or anyone here on this internet site...

Smith, STILL, has not learned or, and here we go; "Gotten it" yet, he still doesn't do what he is supposed to do, I don't understand how any of you can argue the point still. Look who MS and the coaches choose, look-read what almost all NFL people say about him, look at his record, his stats, and on and on.. gezzzzzzzzzzz man.

So that's BS in my opinion... that Smith can make a big difference and that I don't like his contract or any of koolaid drinkin denunciations on this simple post i did..

Gosh, I feel so relieved! Now, if only the Oline can block, and IF they do, I think everyone sees the Hill from last year. Then guess what, the Smith talk goes away again till next time, and there will be; a next time..


Dude you're spinning. He did NOT mention Alex's play AS a 49er. Only mentioned him in relation to Urban Meyer. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And damn ain't it funny how you stick up for Hill by mentioning the problems along the Line. Specifically the amount of time he "doesn't have" to get the ball off. Especially when if you averaged the time Smith has had in the same situation for his entire career.

So spin away. I know Cosell's history since it was written in the article. It means BUBKIS to me since he isn't being 100% in what he has said. It's alot like how Steve jumped Alex for doing the same things that Hill is now doing and then Saying that Hill is a good QB. What?!? I seriously have a hard time with doubletalk. Cosell's responses were FULL of that.

Also if it's not time to gamble I don't know when is. We are 3-2 and by rights should be 1-4. We have 7 solid teas one right after the other. Our Division rivals have easier Schedules than we do. Not to mention that we have to go to Sheattle which is no cakewalk, regardless of their injuries. That 12th man moniker ain't no joke. I guarantee that we will more than likely lose that game if Hill has not shaken the 3 and out virus.

And as for my name? It's a cross between the Gaelic spelling of my name and a nickname that I had when I was younger. Yeah I like Cheese but that's the furthest thing from the inference.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
This is funny I had to post. AS of an article I read today, One of the trainers who used to be a QB is now throwing to CTree till Hill gets back. Of course he's back now. So right, there was such fabulous chemistry they took Smith off the job and gave it to a trainer who used to be a QB to throw to him.

Imagine if you are Smith and even, tossing the ball to the new guy is taken away because, They don't the WR to get bad habits from catching Smith's balls!!!!!!!!! That's wot I think.. sad, but so true.

I am not definitely saying Hill is the man of the hour, but Smith's talent level is so low, it makes Hill the starter by default. Just ger Davis in I say. If Sanchez, Stafford, Ryan ( the qb who kicked our ass) and Flacco can do it, then Davis can too. Open your eyes, not everyone comes to the NFL from a trick offense without presence.. oh what's the use, it's all been said before..

Bust, he is, bust he is.

Ok then if you don't believe me, there was a great interview MM did with the guy who studies all the NFL game film and then comments for the NFL, this was a few days ago, and to my mind this is THE most scathing review of A Smith's abilities I have EVER read. To wit:

MM:
I know you haven't seen him play in two years, but is there where Alex Smith, because of his arm strength and the better physical tools, might be the better option at quarterback?

Cosell:
"Well, I don't think Alex Smith has particularly good physical tools. Certainly, we know Shaun Hill has an average to below-average NFL arm. You're right, we haven't seen Alex Smith throw in two years, but the last time we did see him throw and even when he came out (of college), I'd say Alex Smith's arm strength was slightly better than average - nothing more. I'm always leery - I know he's a smart kid - but I don't know how much he's learned. I'm not there. When you play in the Urban Meyer offense, and I can tell you for a fact, that when Alex Smith went through his board work for teams coming out of the draft that he had zero clue about NFL route combination's, which is not surprising. Because in Urban Meyer's offense, nobody does. I'm not a big Alex Smith guy. I think he has limited skills and I think he's got limited understanding."

You guys should really.......... GET OVER HIM!!!
I digress..

GO NINERS BEAT THE TAXASSES!!

I read that too. But notice that he didn't ONCE mention Smith as a 9er. It was all re-hashed Urban Meyer BS. So if you're going to give it credence at least acknowledge that and give Smith some credit where it's due.

But hey if you're still butt hurt over Alex's 50 million contract, I understand that too.

As far as a former QB taking over for Smith working with Crabtree, it could be as simple as taking a precautionary measure to keep Smith ready to go in case of Sing's planning on yanking Hill if the man yet AGAIN goes 3 and out over the 1st half of a game.

I think what you don't understand is that Hill is nothing more than a Backup with limited intangibles, a weak pass, cement shoes( at least this season anyway) and what is shaping up to be slightly better than average leadership quality.

All I know is that if Smith gets another chance I hope that he either makes fools of all those who have trashed him, or shows us once and for all that he is not the guy with the same personnel that Hill has had. I think that it give Raye a better QB to open the playbook up with at least. Because it's being severely limited by having Shaun Hill under Center. That's not opinion. That's a straight up cold hard factual reality.

~Ceadder


Yep,Morgan was questioned after the ATL game about a couple of long passes Hill didn't connect with him on and his answer was we didn't or don't practice those plays!

That tells me the coaches don't have complete confidence in Hill and that's not good.
I'd be very surprised if they stick with him the rest of the season unless the offense starts clicking.

It tells me Raye is doing what MS is telling him to do; and that is RUN the ball and do not take chances. It's the scheme man. Why would they practice anything that they will never use, unless of course they are backed into a corner, and then have to play sand lot ball..

If the coaches don't have faith or whatever to play Hill do you think he would be playing???? Do you people not get what MS does? He makes changes most of the time if something isn't working.. LIKE he is doing with the Oline now. If they block Hill will make some plays, if not,maybe he gets knocked out. Hoowee, then we can see Smith play and run to the right and throw out of bounds and that kind-o-stuff.

Wow...... I just checked this thread after a couple days, so I'm replying..

Dude are you nuts? I'm bolding this so you can re-evaluate your reply.

Those ARE through the air are they not? So if MS is telling him to run WTF is he doing sending in deep routes into Hill's helmet?

It's obvious to anyone that is open minded about all facets of this team and the Offense that the play calling is being limited because of our QB. If you see it any other way, well I don't know what to say without being warned.I'm not out to hurt anyone's feelings at all. I just think that you kneejerk replied without actually reading what was quoted. If they aren't running the play in Practice then it says that once again the OC is limiting the playbook for Hill.

~Ceadder
I'll tell ya though. If Hill fails I hope to high heaven that Sing doesn't yank him. Cause if he does fail it will be monumentally epic failure.

If he wins well, he damn well better have won since he's had two weeks to prepare for this game.

Damn Afrikan yo, how's it feel to have your boy Shaun in the cross hairs?

Oh an btw? I don't WANT anyone to fail. So you'll excuse me if I continue to root for the team as I always have since I became a fan.

Hell I doubt that anyone WANTS Hill to fail. But dude he's been failing all season long. Our Defense just covered it up pretty well. I think that you are seeing a backlash from all the crap that you and other hard headed posters dumped on other players. You won't find one post where I name called Hill other than he's a P@$$Y. Shoot anyone that stands 6'4", weighs 220 lbs. and cannot throw a Football that weighs less than 2 lbs farther than 30 yards is a straight up P@$$Y. I can throw the ball farther. I'm shorter and am 50 lbs under his weight.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
This is funny I had to post. AS of an article I read today, One of the trainers who used to be a QB is now throwing to CTree till Hill gets back. Of course he's back now. So right, there was such fabulous chemistry they took Smith off the job and gave it to a trainer who used to be a QB to throw to him.

Imagine if you are Smith and even, tossing the ball to the new guy is taken away because, They don't the WR to get bad habits from catching Smith's balls!!!!!!!!! That's wot I think.. sad, but so true.

I am not definitely saying Hill is the man of the hour, but Smith's talent level is so low, it makes Hill the starter by default. Just ger Davis in I say. If Sanchez, Stafford, Ryan ( the qb who kicked our ass) and Flacco can do it, then Davis can too. Open your eyes, not everyone comes to the NFL from a trick offense without presence.. oh what's the use, it's all been said before..

Bust, he is, bust he is.

Ok then if you don't believe me, there was a great interview MM did with the guy who studies all the NFL game film and then comments for the NFL, this was a few days ago, and to my mind this is THE most scathing review of A Smith's abilities I have EVER read. To wit:

MM:
I know you haven't seen him play in two years, but is there where Alex Smith, because of his arm strength and the better physical tools, might be the better option at quarterback?

Cosell:
"Well, I don't think Alex Smith has particularly good physical tools. Certainly, we know Shaun Hill has an average to below-average NFL arm. You're right, we haven't seen Alex Smith throw in two years, but the last time we did see him throw and even when he came out (of college), I'd say Alex Smith's arm strength was slightly better than average - nothing more. I'm always leery - I know he's a smart kid - but I don't know how much he's learned. I'm not there. When you play in the Urban Meyer offense, and I can tell you for a fact, that when Alex Smith went through his board work for teams coming out of the draft that he had zero clue about NFL route combination's, which is not surprising. Because in Urban Meyer's offense, nobody does. I'm not a big Alex Smith guy. I think he has limited skills and I think he's got limited understanding."

You guys should really.......... GET OVER HIM!!!
I digress..

GO NINERS BEAT THE TAXASSES!!

I read that too. But notice that he didn't ONCE mention Smith as a 9er. It was all re-hashed Urban Meyer BS. So if you're going to give it credence at least acknowledge that and give Smith some credit where it's due.

But hey if you're still butt hurt over Alex's 50 million contract, I understand that too.

As far as a former QB taking over for Smith working with Crabtree, it could be as simple as taking a precautionary measure to keep Smith ready to go in case of Sing's planning on yanking Hill if the man yet AGAIN goes 3 and out over the 1st half of a game.

I think what you don't understand is that Hill is nothing more than a Backup with limited intangibles, a weak pass, cement shoes( at least this season anyway) and what is shaping up to be slightly better than average leadership quality.

All I know is that if Smith gets another chance I hope that he either makes fools of all those who have trashed him, or shows us once and for all that he is not the guy with the same personnel that Hill has had. I think that it give Raye a better QB to open the playbook up with at least. Because it's being severely limited by having Shaun Hill under Center. That's not opinion. That's a straight up cold hard factual reality.

~Ceadder


Yep,Morgan was questioned after the ATL game about a couple of long passes Hill didn't connect with him on and his answer was we didn't or don't practice those plays!

That tells me the coaches don't have complete confidence in Hill and that's not good.
I'd be very surprised if they stick with him the rest of the season unless the offense starts clicking.

It tells me Raye is doing what MS is telling him to do; and that is RUN the ball and do not take chances. It's the scheme man. Why would they practice anything that they will never use, unless of course they are backed into a corner, and then have to play sand lot ball..

If the coaches don't have faith or whatever to play Hill do you think he would be playing???? Do you people not get what MS does? He makes changes most of the time if something isn't working.. LIKE he is doing with the Oline now. If they block Hill will make some plays, if not,maybe he gets knocked out. Hoowee, then we can see Smith play and run to the right and throw out of bounds and that kind-o-stuff.

Wow...... I just checked this thread after a couple days, so I'm replying..

This fits where I believe right now... I mean, what has changed from last year? the coaching and that is it... I do not mean Sing, but our OC, and other offensive coaching...

Raye is showing his inabilities as an OC, and how he has managed to stay in the NFL is beyond me... the guy came in here with a top 10 offense, what once???? in twenty or so years of coaching, so can we really be suprised that our offense is near the bottom, since Raye has dwelled down there for many years... Blame it on Sing interfering all you want, but I have never supported the Jimmy Raye hiring after seeing his abysmal coaching history... boy, has this thread gotten off subject...
Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by valrod33:
It gives him more chemistry with Crabtree, but dont make it seem like Alex stayed in the bay area just because of Crabtree, Alex lives in the bay area so thats why he volunteered to throw to Crabtree

If the niners fall behind and hill is playing poorly you could see alex after the half.....Alex and crabs get going rally from behind and INSTANT CONTROVERSY

Every Alexes lovers Dream for that thing you just said to happen ! back to reality Not going to happen , 1st we have Ray calling plays, 2nd ray is getting his marching orders from Sing and sing wants to Run. 3rd Alex sucks and can't read D's and never been in pro O until came to the NFL and sucked at it.


Hill the Starter Live with it ,until otherwise !
Originally posted by 49erman5692:
Originally posted by Afrikan:


you Alex fanatics are too funny....and sad at the same time

how about you root for another team, until the 49ers bench their Starting QB, THAT MAN NAMED SHAUN HILL

wooeee... it burns doesn't it...... Shaun Hill.....Thee Shaun Hill... Starting QB of your NFC WEST Champs, San Francisco 49ers...

Shaun Hill.......Thee Shaun Hill and Alex Smith is the Backup.....only because he gets paid so much....hahahahahaha

you all think they reworked Alex's contract to keep him around, for the long haul?....HA!

You think there was a legitimate QB competition to see if Alex could win "his" staring job back...hahahahaha.... they were just trying to make him look good...well at least average just so they can at least get a 6th round pick for him....but no one was dumb enough to bite.....not even Alex's savior Norv....he High tailed out of here cause he knew what kind of F'd up situation he was in by having Alex Smith as his QB...and forced to stick with him.......and some of you think if he gets fired from SD....that he would ACTUALLY come back here to save Alex

Alex played soooo bad here that the fans wanted Cody Pickett to start over him....hell they wanted Dorsy....hell even Chris Winkie Dinkie Doo......

Alex Smith....seems like a nice kid....well at least he got his money, I ain't mad...do what you do young man........well of course besides trying to be a starting QB in the NFL.......maybe CFL?.....hmmm.....ummm maybe UFL..no I think they have better QBs than him... Brooks Bolinger, Quinten Gray (maybe equal), JP Loseman, Mike McMahon....

Shaun Hill is GOd aweful and you must of not watched the Atlanta game cause your a fail


Shaun Hill was the only one giving effort in that game, the protection and receiving core was god aweful.
Originally posted by MSteitz468:
Originally posted by 49erman5692:
Originally posted by Afrikan:


you Alex fanatics are too funny....and sad at the same time

how about you root for another team, until the 49ers bench their Starting QB, THAT MAN NAMED SHAUN HILL

wooeee... it burns doesn't it...... Shaun Hill.....Thee Shaun Hill... Starting QB of your NFC WEST Champs, San Francisco 49ers...

Shaun Hill.......Thee Shaun Hill and Alex Smith is the Backup.....only because he gets paid so much....hahahahahaha

you all think they reworked Alex's contract to keep him around, for the long haul?....HA!

You think there was a legitimate QB competition to see if Alex could win "his" staring job back...hahahahaha.... they were just trying to make him look good...well at least average just so they can at least get a 6th round pick for him....but no one was dumb enough to bite.....not even Alex's savior Norv....he High tailed out of here cause he knew what kind of F'd up situation he was in by having Alex Smith as his QB...and forced to stick with him.......and some of you think if he gets fired from SD....that he would ACTUALLY come back here to save Alex

Alex played soooo bad here that the fans wanted Cody Pickett to start over him....hell they wanted Dorsy....hell even Chris Winkie Dinkie Doo......

Alex Smith....seems like a nice kid....well at least he got his money, I ain't mad...do what you do young man........well of course besides trying to be a starting QB in the NFL.......maybe CFL?.....hmmm.....ummm maybe UFL..no I think they have better QBs than him... Brooks Bolinger, Quinten Gray (maybe equal), JP Loseman, Mike McMahon....

Shaun Hill is GOd aweful and you must of not watched the Atlanta game cause your a fail


Shaun Hill was the only one giving effort in that game, the protection and receiving core was god aweful.

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