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Finally, Reason to not always blame Raye

From the Dan Brown live talk today:

Question: After the punishing loss to the Falcons, the sky has fallen for many 49ers fans. As such, many fans have been calling for Hill's benching, Raye's firing, and Singletary's resignation. With the recent roster moves and Singletary's insistence that Crabtree play against the Texans, do you think the sky has fallen for the coaching staff as well?

Answer: Dan Brown: Ah, this is a variation of your previous question but I realized I didn't answer the coaching part of it: I think Jimmy Raye will be really under fire, considering the 30th ranked passing game is really, really awful. I think you might start hearing QB coach Mike Johnson mentioned as the heir apparent. That said, I think Jimmy is just doing what his boss tells him. Singletary WANTS a conservative, run-first team so he shouldn't escape blame, either, if things don't pick up.

Finally someone actually adressed this issue. We gotta put some of the blame on Sing too, and not always on Raye. In most of the games, the commentators even talk about Sing even saying, we have no plan B, we have to run the ball. But people still point the finger at Raye. I hope even tho some will still b***h about the man, they do understand that he only does and follows the gameplan that Sing wants. Sing said himself, he trusts Manusky and the defense, so he doesnt mess with them much. But with the offense, i bet he has more say than portrayed.
ive said it before this is something that bothers me about singletary and something hes learned from nolan and thats playing conservative and not to lose i dont know why it makes someone play that way and not go all out and score.
I guess what's challenging for me is Sing needs a coach that will be straight with him and say "we can't do that" or position coaches who can say "our personnel will not let us do that."

What concerns me is that when Sing says "they're going to be good", referencing the OL in particular, is it Sing TELLING the coaches they're going to be good or the coaching staff saying that. Again, we are going through the growing pains of a rookie HC like with Nolan. Let's just hope Sing is a quicker study.
Been saying it all starts with Singletary all along. But Raye IS an OC that subscribes to Singletary's way of thinking/philosophy, so really, Raye is still at fault here too b/c every where he has gone, his offenses have been average at best and we've got 60 years of evidence to point too.
Oh goodie! Now we can just blame our head coach who was supposed to take this team to the promised land!

Both wins and losses fall on everybody.
Well we can't blame Singletary the man wears a large wooden cross around his neck. That makes him automatically exempt from all blame and also helps him fend off all vampires.
You realize that the words " I think " (you do have them bolded) shouldn't be taken to heart? Maybe if a coach or player comes out and says: "Raye is calling these s**tty, obvious plays because this is what Singletary wants him to run." I guess then you have a case...but words coming from Dan Brown (who the f**k is Dan Brown) doesn't exactly win me over.

Now I think that Singletary isn't pleased with the way the offense has been going, I'm sure he would like to see more "creativity" in the run plays especially. IMO, if this is the offense that continues to show up, it will be Raye getting the axe, not Sing.
I mean Sing out of all people should know that in order to be a run heavy team we need to have a great O Line...how does he not know this?

I hope he watched that Miami game last week, that's what a running team looks like..but in order to do that we need an O LINE! Miami got CHUNKS of yards against a really good D, so it's not like the D is to blame

[ Edited by BirdmanJr on Oct 16, 2009 at 15:02:04 ]
The run-first approach is all well and good if the O-Line executes and the defense holds. In the long-term, Singletary is determined to make this approach work, but you've got to wonder whether the short-term goal of making the playoffs takes precedence over that long-term goal if he can't get the O-Line to execute in the running game. Regardless of what he wants the team to look like, using the pass to set up the run might be our best approach right now, especially if Crabtree is as special as we're all hoping. Of course if the defense collapses like it did, we're screwed regardless of what we do on offense, though let's call their last showing a glitch and move on expecting them to be solid.
regardless of whose idea it is, the stubbornness has to end.
So Sing is telling Raye how to run an offense? He's telling Raye to run into a brick wall and throw 3 yard passes all the time? He brought in a guy who fits the mold so he would not have to micro-manage ala Nolan.

C'mon.

I don't believe for a minute that Sing is on his headset telling Raye to throw a quick out or run a shotgun draw on 3rd and long.

The hard-nose philosophy is Sing's I'll grant you, and Sing's apparent failing thus far is stubbornly implementing this style whether we have the personel or not. But let's remember that he is trying to change the mentality of this team, and it may or may not been tougher than he thought. Maybe Sing expected the slow start, who knows. I'm sure he expected the line to play better at least.

But Raye's the one up in the booth calling these plays. It's becoming more clear every week that Raye is afraid to move the ball aggressively because of a few things:

1. O-line is playing like hot garbage
2. Recievers cannot get open
3. Hill cannot zip the ball into tight coverage and he floats deep balls

Raye is not an idiot. He can see that the way Hill throws intermediate-deep balls that +4 turnover margin we have so far will quickly turn into the negative. We don't have very fysical recievers.

If the line plays decently Hill has a chance to move the ball effectively albeit a little at a time which fits the philosophy of keeping the other team's offense off the field.

The o-line is absolutely key for this teams success, and I'd start by blaming the o-line coach. He is not doing his job.

Gore or Coffee cannot run w/out any holes. Hill cannot move the chains with a rush in his face every down. The Atlanta game especially the second half is proof of this.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
regardless of whose idea it is, the stubbornness has to end.
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
So Sing is telling Raye how to run an offense? He's telling Raye to run into a brick wall and throw 3 yard passes all the time? He brought in a guy who fits the mold so he would not have to micro-manage ala Nolan.

C'mon.

I don't believe for a minute that Sing is on his headset telling Raye to throw a quick out or run a shotgun draw on 3rd and long.

The hard-nose philosophy is Sing's I'll grant you, and Sing's apparent failing thus far is stubbornly implementing this style whether we have the personel or not. But let's remember that he is trying to change the mentality of this team, and it may or may not been tougher than he thought. Maybe Sing expected the slow start, who knows. I'm sure he expected the line to play better at least.

But Raye's the one up in the booth calling these plays. It's becoming more clear every week that Raye is afraid to move the ball aggressively because of a few things:

1. O-line is playing like hot garbage
2. Recievers cannot get open
3. Hill cannot zip the ball into tight coverage and he floats deep balls

Raye is not an idiot. He can see that the way Hill throws intermediate-deep balls that +4 turnover margin we have so far will quickly turn into the negative. We don't have very fysical recievers.

If the line plays decently Hill has a chance to move the ball effectively albeit a little at a time which fits the philosophy of keeping the other team's offense off the field.

The o-line is absolutely key for this teams success, and I'd start by blaming the o-line coach. He is not doing his job.

Gore or Coffee cannot run w/out any holes. Hill cannot move the chains with a rush in his face every down. The Atlanta game especially the second half is proof of this.

You do realize that the O-line suffers too, when the defense knows what play we are going to run.

If the player across from you knows what you are going to do. That makes your blocking assignment twice as difficult.
A lot of you might be calling for Raye's head with his vanilla play calling but to a point he is using our strength. 1)Lets face it,our OL doesn't do good in pass protection,see Hill's sack's and times he's been pressured/hit. 2)Without Gore our pass protection once again takes a slight hit&were not allowed to use the same running packages because coffee is still a young'n being inserted in a roll he's not groomed into yet. 3) This IS the week that we will look for a coming out party from the OFFENSE&DEFENSE, DUE TO; A)A 90% healthy Gore coming back,Crabtree getting extra work 2 learn his limited yet big role of getting on the field for the 1st time. B)Getting pass rush on Schaub,we simply did not pressure Matt Ryan enough that's why he had enough time to kill us, same thing with Schaub;He is very accurate so if we do not pressure him and allow Andre Johnson time 2 get open. We been pretty good with the run so im not worried so much about slaton.
Its funny how they blame Sing and Raye but how bout Hill. Put this offense with Brady under center and this offense would be a lot different. Do the same with the Pats with Hill and the offense would have to be conservative due to Hill's limitations. The problem here is that Hill has reached his potential and it sucks. I'm not a big Alex Smith fan but I think this guy has much more potential to show. Smith hasnt even had a coordinator for two years for god sakes. That is really tough on a guy that is young and is trying to improve. Anyway, Raye can only do so much with Hill due to his limitations....think about it
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