This team WON'T make the playoffs.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Although this team is improved in some categories it is still a rebuilding project in many and very overrated on the WZ IMO. Let's look at the games and schedule for starters. Then we will look at other issues effecting this team. The reasons why we aren't a playoff caliber team I state below at the bottom of the post.

1) Cardinals (WIN) - they were missing key players at the time they played us and will be tougher next time.

2) Seahawks (WIN) - A very poor team this year and some key injuries.

3) Vikings (LOSS) - An elite team and they beat us. Say what you want about playing almost good enough. They beat us.

4) Rams (WIN) - When and NFL team plays a college team you are supposed to win.

5) Falcons (BIG LOSS) - A very good team beat us soundly in every aspect of the game.

6) At Texans - (loss).
7) At Colts - (big loss).
8) Titans (win).
9) Bears (loss). Cutler vs. Hill...
10) At Packers (loss).
11) Jaguars (win).
12) At Seattle (loss). They will play better at home.
13) Cardinals (loss). Getting some key players back now.
14) At Eagles (big loss).
15) Lions (win).
16) At Rams (win). You are supposed to beat college teams.

7 - 9 is what we are looking at as a best case scenario.

Also look at these things.

~ A playoff team doesn't have 4 / 5 Offensive linemen who can't block. Please show me the last playoff team that has this....

~ Inconsistent pass rush.

~ Bottom ranked offense. Show me an offense ranked this low that makes the playoffs. There is no ability to pass or come from behind. Thus there is very little ability to win against good teams.

~ Lack of GAME BREAKING SPEED. Good teams have game breakers like the Vikings, Saints or Falcons for example in the NFC. They have guys who can take it to the endzone. We have guys who get caught from behind in the open field.

~ Very questionable game day decisions by the coach. Calling a timeout to give a pep rally at the NFL level. I mean come on.... That cost us when Delanies fumble that wasn't a fumble could have been overturned. That's not playoff worthy. Bill Walsh or Jimmy Johnson would never make a move like that.

Singletary as a motivator 10/10 - no questions.
Singletary's game day decisions 4/10.

That doesn't get you deep in the playoffs.

~ A QB that throws a pass like a punt and can't come from behind. Can only "manage" the game to a win if you are up. But will lose if you are down.

Another overrated year. 49ers fans are hungy for a winning program but these factors make us still a rebuilding team. Playoff teams don't have this many holes. Just watch the playoffs the last few years. They don't have this many problems.

LOL...Sorry....that just sounds funny after they just beat the Jags 41-0.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Im sorry, but 9-7 to 10-6 is still possible.

ARZ and SEA arent that good.

And Houston sucks, we should beat them easily.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Although this team is improved in some categories it is still a rebuilding project in many and very overrated on the WZ IMO. Let's look at the games and schedule for starters. Then we will look at other issues effecting this team. The reasons why we aren't a playoff caliber team I state below at the bottom of the post.

1) Cardinals (WIN) - they were missing key players at the time they played us and will be tougher next time.

2) Seahawks (WIN) - A very poor team this year and some key injuries.

3) Vikings (LOSS) - An elite team and they beat us. Say what you want about playing almost good enough. They beat us.

4) Rams (WIN) - When and NFL team plays a college team you are supposed to win.

5) Falcons (BIG LOSS) - A very good team beat us soundly in every aspect of the game.

6) At Texans - (loss).
7) At Colts - (big loss).
8) Titans (win).
9) Bears (loss). Cutler vs. Hill...
10) At Packers (loss).
11) Jaguars (win).
12) At Seattle (loss). They will play better at home.
13) Cardinals (loss). Getting some key players back now.
14) At Eagles (big loss).
15) Lions (win).
16) At Rams (win). You are supposed to beat college teams.

7 - 9 is what we are looking at as a best case scenario.

Also look at thsee things.

~ A playoff team doesn't have 4 / 5 Offensive linemen who can't block. Please show me the last playoff team that has this....

~ Inconsistent pass rush.

~ Bottom ranked offense. Show me an offense ranked this low that makes the playoffs. There is no ability to pass or come from behind. Thus there is very little ability to win against good teams.

~ Lack of GAME BREAKING SPEED. Good teams have game breakers like the Vikings, Saints or Falcons for example in the NFC. They have guys who can take it to the endzone. We have guys who get caught from behind in the open field.

~ Very questionable game day decisions by the coach. Calling a timeout to give a pep rally at the NFL level. I mean come on.... That cost us when Delanies fumble that wasn't a fumble could have been overturned. That's not playoff worthy. Bill Walsh or Jimmy Johnson would never make a move like that.

Singletary as a motivator 10/10 - no questions.
Singletary's game day decisions 4/10.

That doesn't get you deep in the playoffs.

~ A QB that throws a pass like a punt and can't come from behind. Can only "manage" the game to a win if you are up. But will lose if you are down.

Another overrated year. 49ers fans are hungy for a winning program but these factors make us still a rebuilding team. Playoff teas don't have this many holes. Just watch the playoffs the last few years. They don't have this many problems.

Hassleback has been playing a little better and the Cardinals look better in some ways. We could lose those.

Ok, look, one game doesn't define us as a team. Yes we got rocked by ATL, but it doesn't mean we're a crappy team.


First 4 games we were a pretty damn good team, and last sunday we came unprepared for what they had to bring to the table.


Don't get me wrong, I still think there's room for improvement, but our team is watchable and competitive. We play a hard-nosed grind it out style, not the run and gun high scoring, so if we get put into that situation we will not likely win.


And in reference to your "game-winning" drive reference to Hill, he's had 4 chances the last two seasons (Bengals and Jets last year, Cardinals and Vikings this year), and we came up on top for 3 of those (Vikings wasn't his fault)

Also, just b/c seattle put 41 points and shut out a bipolar Jacksonville squad doesnt mean they're better. They had a healthy hasselbeck against us and we knocked him out, not to mention Gore tore up their 8-man box on D. Only team I might worry about is the cards, but we're pretty good against them at home, and especially against them on monday night.


Overall, we get Gore back, have Crabtree, and have two weeks to get our OLine back on track. Defense will be fine and special teams will get fine tuned too. I dunno if we make the playoffs or not, but I know we will be competitive for the rest of this season to make the playoffs until week 17...

i thought this was Niner Talk and not

ANTI-NINER TALK

Relax bud. we're at the BYE week and there's still plenty of football left.

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Daniel2778:
lay of the drugs...you have us loing to seattle? and give sing 4/10 in game decisions? I bet you anything you cant come up with 3 ways he has made a poor decision the past 5 games.....

If Gore is healthy, we are definitely making the playoffs

Calling a timeout to give a PEP RALLY at an NFL game... Can you honeslty see Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, or Jimmy Johnson ever doing something like that? Ever? That cost us when Delanie's fumble which wasn't fumble could have been overturned. That's rookie coach hour right there.

Singletary might be the answer but sometimes having as much fire and passion as he does can actually get the best of him. There is a downside to his fire and passion. He makes crazy off the cuff emotional decisions. Not well thought out decisions.

What's funny is that Singletary did that exact same thing in the Arizona away game this year and you don't criticize him there.

The Cardinals were driving down the field. Singletary calls a "Prep rally" and huddles the whole the defense. The defense then holds the Cardinals to a field goal.

So when it works, you don't call him out on it but when it doesn't, you do. Double standard much?

-9fA

When would Bill Walsh EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? That guy won multiple Super Bowls. I think he knew what he was doing. When did Jimmy Johnson EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? He built quite a dynasty too. A PEP RALLY TIMEOUT is rediculous at the NFL level.

yo, hook me up with the winning lottery numbers for tomorrow's drawing, homie!

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Daniel2778:
lay of the drugs...you have us loing to seattle? and give sing 4/10 in game decisions? I bet you anything you cant come up with 3 ways he has made a poor decision the past 5 games.....

If Gore is healthy, we are definitely making the playoffs

Calling a timeout to give a PEP RALLY at an NFL game... Can you honeslty see Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, or Jimmy Johnson ever doing something like that? Ever? That cost us when Delanie's fumble which wasn't fumble could have been overturned. That's rookie coach hour right there.

Singletary might be the answer but sometimes having as much fire and passion as he does can actually get the best of him. There is a downside to his fire and passion. He makes crazy off the cuff emotional decisions. Not well thought out decisions.

What's funny is that Singletary did that exact same thing in the Arizona away game this year and you don't criticize him there.

The Cardinals were driving down the field. Singletary calls a "Prep rally" and huddles the whole the defense. The defense then holds the Cardinals to a field goal.

So when it works, you don't call him out on it but when it doesn't, you do. Double standard much?

-9fA

When would Bill Walsh EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? That guy won multiple Super Bowls. I think he knew what he was doing. When did Jimmy Johnson EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? He built quite a dynasty too. A PEP RALLY TIMEOUT is rediculous at the NFL level.

Every coach is different, hey it worked in the AZ game.. is that really your best argument for sing being a bad coach? you gotta be kidding me

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Daniel2778:
lay of the drugs...you have us loing to seattle? and give sing 4/10 in game decisions? I bet you anything you cant come up with 3 ways he has made a poor decision the past 5 games.....

If Gore is healthy, we are definitely making the playoffs

Calling a timeout to give a PEP RALLY at an NFL game... Can you honeslty see Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, or Jimmy Johnson ever doing something like that? Ever? That cost us when Delanie's fumble which wasn't fumble could have been overturned. That's rookie coach hour right there.

Singletary might be the answer but sometimes having as much fire and passion as he does can actually get the best of him. There is a downside to his fire and passion. He makes crazy off the cuff emotional decisions. Not well thought out decisions.

What's funny is that Singletary did that exact same thing in the Arizona away game this year and you don't criticize him there.

The Cardinals were driving down the field. Singletary calls a "Prep rally" and huddles the whole the defense. The defense then holds the Cardinals to a field goal.

So when it works, you don't call him out on it but when it doesn't, you do. Double standard much?

-9fA

When would Bill Walsh EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? That guy won multiple Super Bowls. I think he knew what he was doing. When did Jimmy Johnson EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? He built quite a dynasty too. A PEP RALLY TIMEOUT is rediculous at the NFL level.

After years of watching you predict 1-16 seasons for the 49ers, it is impossible to ever take you seriously.

But thanks anyway.

Originally posted by montananinerfan:
please lock this pathetic thread!

Ditto.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Daniel2778:
lay of the drugs...you have us loing to seattle? and give sing 4/10 in game decisions? I bet you anything you cant come up with 3 ways he has made a poor decision the past 5 games.....

If Gore is healthy, we are definitely making the playoffs

Calling a timeout to give a PEP RALLY at an NFL game... Can you honeslty see Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, or Jimmy Johnson ever doing something like that? Ever? That cost us when Delanie's fumble which wasn't fumble could have been overturned. That's rookie coach hour right there.

Singletary might be the answer but sometimes having as much fire and passion as he does can actually get the best of him. There is a downside to his fire and passion. He makes crazy off the cuff emotional decisions. Not well thought out decisions.

What's funny is that Singletary did that exact same thing in the Arizona away game this year and you don't criticize him there.

The Cardinals were driving down the field. Singletary calls a "Prep rally" and huddles the whole the defense. The defense then holds the Cardinals to a field goal.

So when it works, you don't call him out on it but when it doesn't, you do. Double standard much?

-9fA

When would Bill Walsh EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? That guy won multiple Super Bowls. I think he knew what he was doing. When did Jimmy Johnson EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? He built quite a dynasty too. A PEP RALLY TIMEOUT is rediculous at the NFL level.

Glad to see you are pushing your chips into the middle of the table. I'll personally make sure this thread survives through each week, so we can determine if your predictions come true.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Daniel2778:
lay of the drugs...you have us loing to seattle? and give sing 4/10 in game decisions? I bet you anything you cant come up with 3 ways he has made a poor decision the past 5 games.....

If Gore is healthy, we are definitely making the playoffs

Calling a timeout to give a PEP RALLY at an NFL game... Can you honeslty see Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, or Jimmy Johnson ever doing something like that? Ever? That cost us when Delanie's fumble which wasn't fumble could have been overturned. That's rookie coach hour right there.

Singletary might be the answer but sometimes having as much fire and passion as he does can actually get the best of him. There is a downside to his fire and passion. He makes crazy off the cuff emotional decisions. Not well thought out decisions.

What's funny is that Singletary did that exact same thing in the Arizona away game this year and you don't criticize him there.

The Cardinals were driving down the field. Singletary calls a "Prep rally" and huddles the whole the defense. The defense then holds the Cardinals to a field goal.

So when it works, you don't call him out on it but when it doesn't, you do. Double standard much?

-9fA

When would Bill Walsh EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? That guy won multiple Super Bowls. I think he knew what he was doing. When did Jimmy Johnson EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? He built quite a dynasty too. A PEP RALLY TIMEOUT is rediculous at the NFL level.

I bet that both of them did quite often. Isn't any time out where the coach and players encourage each other as a group to play better a "pep rally timeout"?

However, since none of us were in ANY of the coaches' huddles, we can't know.

Or is your issue that Sing's conversations with the team occurred on the field and not the sideline?

what a stupid thread lol you predicted us to be 1-15 what a complete joke. are you sure your not a chargers fan???

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Daniel2778:
lay of the drugs...you have us loing to seattle? and give sing 4/10 in game decisions? I bet you anything you cant come up with 3 ways he has made a poor decision the past 5 games.....

If Gore is healthy, we are definitely making the playoffs

Calling a timeout to give a PEP RALLY at an NFL game... Can you honeslty see Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, or Jimmy Johnson ever doing something like that? Ever? That cost us when Delanie's fumble which wasn't fumble could have been overturned. That's rookie coach hour right there.

Singletary might be the answer but sometimes having as much fire and passion as he does can actually get the best of him. There is a downside to his fire and passion. He makes crazy off the cuff emotional decisions. Not well thought out decisions.

What's funny is that Singletary did that exact same thing in the Arizona away game this year and you don't criticize him there.

The Cardinals were driving down the field. Singletary calls a "Prep rally" and huddles the whole the defense. The defense then holds the Cardinals to a field goal.

So when it works, you don't call him out on it but when it doesn't, you do. Double standard much?

-9fA

When would Bill Walsh EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? That guy won multiple Super Bowls. I think he knew what he was doing. When did Jimmy Johnson EVER call a PEP RALLY TIMEOUT? He built quite a dynasty too. A PEP RALLY TIMEOUT is ridiculous at the NFL level.

Bullsh*t!

Bill Walsh never needed to give his players a pep rally. If he had then he would have done so.

In the Arizona game, Mike Singletary saw that his players needed him to give them a pep rally, so he did.

Stop comparing Sing to Walsh., They had vastly different players on their respective teams. The only fair comparison would be to have both coaches coach the same players, which of course is impossible.

Sing is not Walsh, nor does he need to be. Some of you folks seem to think that Walsh is the only example of a successful HC. I, for one, sure hope you are wrong, because otherwise it will be impossible for us to ever have another championship team (because Walsh is gone).

[ Edited by longtime49erfan on Oct 15, 2009 at 16:58:11 ]

After the bye we'll have a better idea of whether or not the Falcons game was a wake-up call or a sign of things to come.

You are certainly right that we have major problems that won't fix themselves this season. It remains to be seen if we can find ways to neutralize those problems enough to stay competitive. 9-7 probably wins the division, and I think its still attainable.

Not time to throw in the towel yet. Like I said, let's see what happens in Houston.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
In a nutshell....

If the OL doesn't play better this is not a play-off team. If they do something during this week and get the guys to block and the offense becomes consistent and sustainable we'll quickly lock-up a spot in the NFC West.

- must become better on 1st or 3rd down

- pass protection needs to be legitimate to force opponents out of run-blitzes and keeping 8 in the box

- if offense IS going to be predictable, we have to win one-on-one match-ups at the LOS and stop giving up so much penetration in running game

- Raye needs to identify strengths of his players quickly and find a way to manufacture offense

Signs that this WON'T happen? No changes on the OL.

IMHO, these must improve. Sure other teams are bad, but the 49ers don't have and offense that's arrived yet this season. 2 long Gore runs just isn't scaring anyone.

Good points.