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Alex smith taking snaps with 1st team offense

Originally posted by valrod33:
Actually i just figured out whats going on here its so freaking obvious

Alex Smith is taking the snaps because we are about to trade Shaun Hill to the New England Patriots for Tom Brady and we dont want Hill to get hurt and ruin this trade

Wow were all morons for not seeing this

Super Bowl here we come

I'm a mororn. You got me
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by maximill15:
there is a reason that Hill won the starting job, it's because Smith could even play well against second team D's in the preseason! Yet everyone wants smith to play now??

There is a reason that Hill hasn't played well, it's called PRESSURE! And he doesn't even get a chance to set his feet before getting hit! He doesn't look pretty, but he gets it done. Who actually even thinks that Smith could throw that seem route to VD in the endzone that Hill had made multiple times? If we put Alex in, we will end the season with a 5-11 record! I'd rather see Davis in there!!

Wait did you even pay attention to the preseason and the training camp? It was pretty widely known that Alex did better, but to win the job he would've had to play really really well. He actually didn't play that badly in the preseason, better than Shaun anyway. But Hill got the job because Sing knew what he had, and Alex was a mystery after not playing for 2 years, and Sing even said that. Smith played pretty well in the preseason, he played well vs Denver but everyone was upset that he missed a screen pass he should've hit, but otherwise he played pretty well. And then in the Raiders game he threw like 7 passes that were on target, but they got dropped and that on INT wasn't that bad of a pass, but Morgan let it slip through his hands and the defender caught it behind him. I've seen Shaun throw worse balls and got lucky the defender dropped them. And then all anyone talked about in training camp and mini camp was how Smith was slinging it to Brandon Jones deep all day, but then Jones got injured and Smith lost his favorite target.

Bottom line is Alex will do a better job getting the ball to the recievers down the field, that will open up the running game and make the play action more effective if we choose to use it, and if teams back off then we can throw Crabtree his screen passes. He's a talented player he just has had some bad luck and hasn't put it all together in the 3 season's he got to play.

yeah Smith throws a better ball, but he also scrambles prematurely, doesn't have the pocket presence Hill has. Smith consistently throws balls in areas that prevent our WR's from scoring, whether its at their feet or, forcing them to break stride to catch it! Hill isn't the problem, it's the O line!
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 49time:
I have witness Alex Smith Qb two of the worst years of offense that I have ever seen from a niner. With that said, I have watch Shaun Hill qb the third worst year of an qb this year. I wish this was Madden so I can simulate to the draft or Free Agency to grab another Qb. I cant take this anymore. Our standard of winning and offense has slipped greatly.I am so fustrated with our team directions. At one time, we were responsible for most of the succesful coaches in the league. Why did we variate from what we were doing? Our current staff have not groomed any of our talent to All pros except Patrick Willis. No one fears our offense or qb anymore. We need to restore our roots. We need to sign Gruden, Shanahan or Holmgren. Let them groom us a qb.
I agree with you general sentiment but Shanahan proved he was not able to replace Elway; Holmgren self-destructed in his final years in Seattle and does not appear to want the sideline any longer; and Gruden is one of the more over-rated coaches, IMO.

I am hoping Mike Johnson is the guy for the 49ers right now. Otherwise, it will be something entirely new next year...again...again...again...

Right now, I think we need something new. How far have we sunk to argue over Smith, Hill, or Davis?
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by maximill15:
there is a reason that Hill won the starting job, it's because Smith could even play well against second team D's in the preseason! Yet everyone wants smith to play now??

There is a reason that Hill hasn't played well, it's called PRESSURE! And he doesn't even get a chance to set his feet before getting hit! He doesn't look pretty, but he gets it done. Who actually even thinks that Smith could throw that seem route to VD in the endzone that Hill had made multiple times? If we put Alex in, we will end the season with a 5-11 record! I'd rather see Davis in there!!

Wait did you even pay attention to the preseason and the training camp? It was pretty widely known that Alex did better, but to win the job he would've had to play really really well. He actually didn't play that badly in the preseason, better than Shaun anyway. But Hill got the job because Sing knew what he had, and Alex was a mystery after not playing for 2 years, and Sing even said that. Smith played pretty well in the preseason, he played well vs Denver but everyone was upset that he missed a screen pass he should've hit, but otherwise he played pretty well. And then in the Raiders game he threw like 7 passes that were on target, but they got dropped and that on INT wasn't that bad of a pass, but Morgan let it slip through his hands and the defender caught it behind him. I've seen Shaun throw worse balls and got lucky the defender dropped them. And then all anyone talked about in training camp and mini camp was how Smith was slinging it to Brandon Jones deep all day, but then Jones got injured and Smith lost his favorite target.

Bottom line is Alex will do a better job getting the ball to the recievers down the field, that will open up the running game and make the play action more effective if we choose to use it, and if teams back off then we can throw Crabtree his screen passes. He's a talented player he just has had some bad luck and hasn't put it all together in the 3 season's he got to play.

yeah Smith throws a better ball, but he also scrambles prematurely, doesn't have the pocket presence Hill has. Smith consistently throws balls in areas that prevent our WR's from scoring, whether its at their feet or, forcing them to break stride to catch it! Hill isn't the problem, it's the O line!


Shaun has been doing the exact same things you accuse Alex of doing. He's lost his pocket presence, he throws the ball at the recievers feet, he runs into defenders, and he forces them to break stride to catch the ball-"it came down like a punt"-Josh Morgan. Not only that but he hasn't been able to throw a deep post, a go route, a deep out, and he's unable to fit the ball in tight spaces. Most plays where the wrs are open Hill just dumps it off because he figures he can't make the throw. Not only that but he's lost his touch on things like screens.
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by maximill15:
there is a reason that Hill won the starting job, it's because Smith could even play well against second team D's in the preseason! Yet everyone wants smith to play now??

There is a reason that Hill hasn't played well, it's called PRESSURE! And he doesn't even get a chance to set his feet before getting hit! He doesn't look pretty, but he gets it done. Who actually even thinks that Smith could throw that seem route to VD in the endzone that Hill had made multiple times? If we put Alex in, we will end the season with a 5-11 record! I'd rather see Davis in there!!

Wait did you even pay attention to the preseason and the training camp? It was pretty widely known that Alex did better, but to win the job he would've had to play really really well. He actually didn't play that badly in the preseason, better than Shaun anyway. But Hill got the job because Sing knew what he had, and Alex was a mystery after not playing for 2 years, and Sing even said that. Smith played pretty well in the preseason, he played well vs Denver but everyone was upset that he missed a screen pass he should've hit, but otherwise he played pretty well. And then in the Raiders game he threw like 7 passes that were on target, but they got dropped and that on INT wasn't that bad of a pass, but Morgan let it slip through his hands and the defender caught it behind him. I've seen Shaun throw worse balls and got lucky the defender dropped them. And then all anyone talked about in training camp and mini camp was how Smith was slinging it to Brandon Jones deep all day, but then Jones got injured and Smith lost his favorite target.

Bottom line is Alex will do a better job getting the ball to the recievers down the field, that will open up the running game and make the play action more effective if we choose to use it, and if teams back off then we can throw Crabtree his screen passes. He's a talented player he just has had some bad luck and hasn't put it all together in the 3 season's he got to play.

yeah Smith throws a better ball, but he also scrambles prematurely, doesn't have the pocket presence Hill has. Smith consistently throws balls in areas that prevent our WR's from scoring, whether its at their feet or, forcing them to break stride to catch it! Hill isn't the problem, it's the O line!

All true. But he can sustain drives in the 1st 3 quarters and has shown that he can move the chains in the 4th quarter as well.

Hill can only do that in the 4th quarter from what I've seen.

The guy looks like he's running every man's fantasy drive. Only in real life. I'm tired of seeing it. I'm not looking for the hook right now, but if Hill comes out flat in the first half like he has all season to date, then I'll be screaming for the hook. There is NO reason for this. The Line looks bad yeah. But nobody can say that they haven't had their moments. Hill has to take advantage of those and the leadership skills required to go right back to the huddle and urge them for more of the same. It doesn't take much, just a simple "ALRIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN BOUT" and that doesn't have to be directed toward anyone in particular.

But he DOESN'T do that. Not yet anyway.

~Ceadder
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Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
What bothers me is that this was Smith's job before he got injured and he was just starting to do it marginally well.

Then we had the JTO debacle and then Shaun Hill some how grabbed the reins.

With most teams, when the QB comes back from injury he gets his job back, I think Smith didn't get his fair chance to keep progressing.

That usually only applies to players that have established themselves as a starter. Smith was handed a starting job before establishing himself, but then lost support from coaches & team mates. They owed it to the rest oif the players to open the job up to competition, otherwise morale would have really suffered. Not all the players were behind Smith after all the problems they had.

Hey DJ!!!!!!!
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by maximill15:
there is a reason that Hill won the starting job, it's because Smith could even play well against second team D's in the preseason! Yet everyone wants smith to play now??

There is a reason that Hill hasn't played well, it's called PRESSURE! And he doesn't even get a chance to set his feet before getting hit! He doesn't look pretty, but he gets it done. Who actually even thinks that Smith could throw that seem route to VD in the endzone that Hill had made multiple times? If we put Alex in, we will end the season with a 5-11 record! I'd rather see Davis in there!!

Wait did you even pay attention to the preseason and the training camp? It was pretty widely known that Alex did better, but to win the job he would've had to play really really well. He actually didn't play that badly in the preseason, better than Shaun anyway. But Hill got the job because Sing knew what he had, and Alex was a mystery after not playing for 2 years, and Sing even said that. Smith played pretty well in the preseason, he played well vs Denver but everyone was upset that he missed a screen pass he should've hit, but otherwise he played pretty well. And then in the Raiders game he threw like 7 passes that were on target, but they got dropped and that on INT wasn't that bad of a pass, but Morgan let it slip through his hands and the defender caught it behind him. I've seen Shaun throw worse balls and got lucky the defender dropped them. And then all anyone talked about in training camp and mini camp was how Smith was slinging it to Brandon Jones deep all day, but then Jones got injured and Smith lost his favorite target.

Bottom line is Alex will do a better job getting the ball to the recievers down the field, that will open up the running game and make the play action more effective if we choose to use it, and if teams back off then we can throw Crabtree his screen passes. He's a talented player he just has had some bad luck and hasn't put it all together in the 3 season's he got to play.

yeah Smith throws a better ball, but he also scrambles prematurely, doesn't have the pocket presence Hill has. Smith consistently throws balls in areas that prevent our WR's from scoring, whether its at their feet or, forcing them to break stride to catch it! Hill isn't the problem, it's the O line!


Shaun has been doing the exact same things you accuse Alex of doing. He's lost his pocket presence, he throws the ball at the recievers feet, he runs into defenders, and he forces them to break stride to catch the ball-"it came down like a punt"-Josh Morgan. Not only that but he hasn't been able to throw a deep post, a go route, a deep out, and he's unable to fit the ball in tight spaces. Most plays where the wrs are open Hill just dumps it off because he figures he can't make the throw. Not only that but he's lost his touch on things like screens.

i agree, smith is the better QB of the two, it seems like shaun hill's magic wore off. i think he deserves to start the texans game but if he starts to repeat his performance from the other day they need to pull him. smith can atleast dump off effectively, shaun just ducks and waits for the hit or runs into his lineman and falls down
Is Singletary really giving the team a break after that last game? He should have yanked that week off and prepared for the next game. That is clearly what the Falcons did.
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by maximill15:
there is a reason that Hill won the starting job, it's because Smith could even play well against second team D's in the preseason! Yet everyone wants smith to play now??

There is a reason that Hill hasn't played well, it's called PRESSURE! And he doesn't even get a chance to set his feet before getting hit! He doesn't look pretty, but he gets it done. Who actually even thinks that Smith could throw that seem route to VD in the endzone that Hill had made multiple times? If we put Alex in, we will end the season with a 5-11 record! I'd rather see Davis in there!!

Wait did you even pay attention to the preseason and the training camp? It was pretty widely known that Alex did better, but to win the job he would've had to play really really well. He actually didn't play that badly in the preseason, better than Shaun anyway. But Hill got the job because Sing knew what he had, and Alex was a mystery after not playing for 2 years, and Sing even said that. Smith played pretty well in the preseason, he played well vs Denver but everyone was upset that he missed a screen pass he should've hit, but otherwise he played pretty well. And then in the Raiders game he threw like 7 passes that were on target, but they got dropped and that on INT wasn't that bad of a pass, but Morgan let it slip through his hands and the defender caught it behind him. I've seen Shaun throw worse balls and got lucky the defender dropped them. And then all anyone talked about in training camp and mini camp was how Smith was slinging it to Brandon Jones deep all day, but then Jones got injured and Smith lost his favorite target.

Bottom line is Alex will do a better job getting the ball to the recievers down the field, that will open up the running game and make the play action more effective if we choose to use it, and if teams back off then we can throw Crabtree his screen passes. He's a talented player he just has had some bad luck and hasn't put it all together in the 3 season's he got to play.

yeah Smith throws a better ball, but he also scrambles prematurely, doesn't have the pocket presence Hill has. Smith consistently throws balls in areas that prevent our WR's from scoring, whether its at their feet or, forcing them to break stride to catch it! Hill isn't the problem, it's the O line!

I agree 100%. Hill isn't the problem, its the Oline! The oline has been horrible all year. Smith couldn't do anything with a bad oline his 1st 2 years in the league. What makes everyone feel like Smith with do something now?
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Archie:
What planet are you on? If Alex were the better qb he would have been starting.



Ummmmm bruh? Hill was named the Starter cause he was deemed the SAFE move. He was not anointed the Golden Child.

It's obvious that you don't post much, so maybe you should stick to what you're good at and not post, huh?

Cause SERIOUSLY it's hard to take anyone seriously when they drop weak junk like that in a s**th v. Hill debate.

"Ummmmmmmm dude if Smith was better then Smith would be starting"

Nevermind that Smith actually looked good in OTAs', TC AAAAAAAANNND Preseason. He just didn't look, how you say, extra spectacular? But he seriously did not look as bad as some people around here are acting like.

Take that weak $4|t down the road with your Alex Smith voo doo doll and leave some space for knowledgeable posters. Please.

~Ceadder

Smith looked "good"? In preseason? You're actually implying that the reason Smith isn't starter is because he wasn't EXTRA spectacular. Yeah, he was just marginally spectacular.

Maybe you should take your own advice and stop posting weak junk like that in these debates.

You go there when there isn't even any there left. It's like magic.
Originally posted by dwy621:
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by maximill15:
there is a reason that Hill won the starting job, it's because Smith could even play well against second team D's in the preseason! Yet everyone wants smith to play now??

There is a reason that Hill hasn't played well, it's called PRESSURE! And he doesn't even get a chance to set his feet before getting hit! He doesn't look pretty, but he gets it done. Who actually even thinks that Smith could throw that seem route to VD in the endzone that Hill had made multiple times? If we put Alex in, we will end the season with a 5-11 record! I'd rather see Davis in there!!

Wait did you even pay attention to the preseason and the training camp? It was pretty widely known that Alex did better, but to win the job he would've had to play really really well. He actually didn't play that badly in the preseason, better than Shaun anyway. But Hill got the job because Sing knew what he had, and Alex was a mystery after not playing for 2 years, and Sing even said that. Smith played pretty well in the preseason, he played well vs Denver but everyone was upset that he missed a screen pass he should've hit, but otherwise he played pretty well. And then in the Raiders game he threw like 7 passes that were on target, but they got dropped and that on INT wasn't that bad of a pass, but Morgan let it slip through his hands and the defender caught it behind him. I've seen Shaun throw worse balls and got lucky the defender dropped them. And then all anyone talked about in training camp and mini camp was how Smith was slinging it to Brandon Jones deep all day, but then Jones got injured and Smith lost his favorite target.

Bottom line is Alex will do a better job getting the ball to the recievers down the field, that will open up the running game and make the play action more effective if we choose to use it, and if teams back off then we can throw Crabtree his screen passes. He's a talented player he just has had some bad luck and hasn't put it all together in the 3 season's he got to play.

yeah Smith throws a better ball, but he also scrambles prematurely, doesn't have the pocket presence Hill has. Smith consistently throws balls in areas that prevent our WR's from scoring, whether its at their feet or, forcing them to break stride to catch it! Hill isn't the problem, it's the O line!

I agree 100%. Hill isn't the problem, its the Oline! The oline has been horrible all year. Smith couldn't do anything with a bad oline his 1st 2 years in the league. What makes everyone feel like Smith with do something now?

So lets just give up on the season then
Originally posted by valrod33:
im an Alex Smith supporter but if this is true this is stupid I dont see why you would bench Hill after 1 bad game, so if Alex has 1 bad game does that mean Nate Davis comes in

1 bad game? What has he done? Remember our offense didnt score at all in the first half against the Rams. Yes he threw two td passes when the Rams we playing desperate defense. Its funny how they would bring up that he was 7-0 at the Stick but his stats werent that great...how bout credit Gore and the D not Hill.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by dwy621:
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by maximill15:
there is a reason that Hill won the starting job, it's because Smith could even play well against second team D's in the preseason! Yet everyone wants smith to play now??

There is a reason that Hill hasn't played well, it's called PRESSURE! And he doesn't even get a chance to set his feet before getting hit! He doesn't look pretty, but he gets it done. Who actually even thinks that Smith could throw that seem route to VD in the endzone that Hill had made multiple times? If we put Alex in, we will end the season with a 5-11 record! I'd rather see Davis in there!!

Wait did you even pay attention to the preseason and the training camp? It was pretty widely known that Alex did better, but to win the job he would've had to play really really well. He actually didn't play that badly in the preseason, better than Shaun anyway. But Hill got the job because Sing knew what he had, and Alex was a mystery after not playing for 2 years, and Sing even said that. Smith played pretty well in the preseason, he played well vs Denver but everyone was upset that he missed a screen pass he should've hit, but otherwise he played pretty well. And then in the Raiders game he threw like 7 passes that were on target, but they got dropped and that on INT wasn't that bad of a pass, but Morgan let it slip through his hands and the defender caught it behind him. I've seen Shaun throw worse balls and got lucky the defender dropped them. And then all anyone talked about in training camp and mini camp was how Smith was slinging it to Brandon Jones deep all day, but then Jones got injured and Smith lost his favorite target.

Bottom line is Alex will do a better job getting the ball to the recievers down the field, that will open up the running game and make the play action more effective if we choose to use it, and if teams back off then we can throw Crabtree his screen passes. He's a talented player he just has had some bad luck and hasn't put it all together in the 3 season's he got to play.

yeah Smith throws a better ball, but he also scrambles prematurely, doesn't have the pocket presence Hill has. Smith consistently throws balls in areas that prevent our WR's from scoring, whether its at their feet or, forcing them to break stride to catch it! Hill isn't the problem, it's the O line!

I agree 100%. Hill isn't the problem, its the Oline! The oline has been horrible all year. Smith couldn't do anything with a bad oline his 1st 2 years in the league. What makes everyone feel like Smith with do something now?

So lets just give up on the season then

Yes, give up on the season, that's what he said.

*headdesk*
Originally posted by alpha81:
Originally posted by valrod33:
im an Alex Smith supporter but if this is true this is stupid I dont see why you would bench Hill after 1 bad game, so if Alex has 1 bad game does that mean Nate Davis comes in

1 bad game? What has he done? Remember our offense didnt score at all in the first half against the Rams. Yes he threw two td passes when the Rams we playing desperate defense. Its funny how they would bring up that he was 7-0 at the Stick but his stats werent that great...how bout credit Gore and the D not Hill.

he's definitely on a short leash. the line needs to play better but hill is playing exceptionally bad regardless
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Sooner or later Alex is going to run away with the starting job. he cant doa worser jib than hill. Hes Getting reps with crabtree that could start a spark for us in the upcoming game. Honestly i hope a miracle happens and Alex starts the houston game so we can all finally see if he is the Qb of the future, if not we should draft or trade for a QB..
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