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All one can talk is offense - is that really the problem?

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Originally posted by WillistheWall:
We have the 29th ranked offense in the league. I'd say it's the problem. Defense forced a 3 and out on Atlanta's first posession of the game, but Hill gave the ball right back to the Falcs at the 20. What is the D supposed to do at that point? At that point they're backed up even though they forced a 3 and out and they're giving up points for sure. Than you have the O punting the ball, and they're on the field AGAIN with almost no rest. Of course they're going to be tired, it's up to the offense to let them rest and keep the ball away from the other team. Noodle armed QB+Bad OL= problem.

If left to Hill and the garbage O this team would be 1-4
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by amir_tn80:

With our three n' out offense

Bad offense - yes. I think I've said that in every message here.

But that bad offense put 10pts on the board in the first half.

And the game was over. It WASN'T over because the O put 10pts on the board.

And I've said this many times now. But it's important to repeat. The game wasn't over because the O put 10pts on the board. The game was over because the DEFENSE let ATL put up 35!

That's why. It's basically the point of the OP.

OK, we get the point. Our defense played poorly against Atlanta, its obvious.

But the idea that our season is in trouble because of our defense is no where near obvious.

We also had a lot of TURNOVERS as well. Don't forget about that.

1) If we had a timeout left, we could have challenged the poor call on the non-fumble by Walker. 7 points.
2) If Bly would have taken the pick to the house instead of showboating, it would have saved an Atlanta touchdown and given us 7 points. 14 points.
3) Then our offense goes three n' out all day.

For crying out loud, yes Atlanta put up points, but look at how many OPPORTUNITIES they had due to the combination of three n' outs and turnovers.

I think what he's trying to illustrate is that yes, the offense is not working in concert with the defense. No doubt. But the bigger issue is that we STILL have major issues on defense too that were masked the first four games against a slow-out-of-the-box Cardinals team (old QB), a horrendous Rams team, a good Minnesota team (who put up 27 points) and a horrible Seattle team (whole team injured at the time).

As always, I've been illustrating to you guys that we still have no pass rush from where it's supposed to come from in a 3-4, our short-yardage is PATHETIC esp. on 3rd downs and goal-lines (Turner, x3 TD's), we're incredibly soft in medium zone coverage in the middle of the field (and covering RB's out of the backfield) and coming into the game, we're ranked 16th from the NT position (which will be much worse now). We still have some issues with a vanilla 3-4 too!

Is defense THE problem? No, clearly offense and special teams are the bigger problems. But is defense still a problem? Absolutely! And a good team will take advantage of those weaknesses and you can be assured, other good teams will also attack these major weaknesses.
Originally posted by ninerlegacy:
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Explain how Bly is to blame for this loss?

People are looking to blame the O. And I think I said if anything made sense, it would be to blame Bly. He gave it up. But he plays - on defense.

I'm just repeating myself, here.

Read through the thread, first.

Bly is definitely NOT the reason we lost this game. He is one of the few who actually made a play this game (then fumbled). These stats tell the story of why we lost and who is to blame (DEFENSE/OFFENSE/SP. TEAMS/COACHING)....

FALCONS 49ERS
Fumbles (Number-Lost) 3 - 1 Fumbles (Number-Lost) 2 - 2
Time of Possession 36:29 Time of Possession 23:31
Times Sacked (Number-Yards) 0 - 0 Times Sacked (Number-Yards)3 - 19
Third Down Efficiency 8/14 - 57% Third Down Efficiency 4/14 -28%
Red Zone Efficiency 4/5 - 80% Red Zone Efficiency 1/2 - 50%


1. FUMBLES: We gave the ball away. Up to this point, this was one of the main reasons we have been winning. We rarely have turned the ball over this season. This one falls on the OFFENSE/SP. TEAMS/DEFENSE.

2. PASS RUSH: The defense has been the strength of our team this season, with a surprisingly strong pass rush so far. However, this time they failed to get any sacks on one of the most talented young QBs in the league IMO. Can't do that and expect to win. Make no mistake, Ryan and the Falcons are for real. DEFENSE

3. TOP: Can't leave your D out there for nearly 40 minutes and expect to win either. Our O has another abbismal display of 3rd down efficiency, even when our D put them in very good scoring positions. This falls on the OFFENSE

4. RED ZONE: Our D also struggled in another area on which they have been very good so far this season, the red zone. This breakdown looked to come from lack of a pass rush, missed assignments, D-Line not getting set, and just plain getting tired as the game wore on. Give the D some credit though. Say what you want but they only allowed 10 points in the second half. This falls on the DEFENSE/OFFENSE

5. PLAY CALLING: The O just couldn't score when they needed to. Aside from that gutsy 4th down called by Raye, his play calling doesnt seem to allow for Hill et al. to establish any sort of rhythm--hence our O starts slow every game. For example look how the Falcons KEPT on going to T. Gonzales the whole game. V. Davis should be no different. Make teams account for him. I don't know WHY this want to force our rookie RB out there 1, 2, 3rd downs, when we should have been giving the Falcons a strong dose of Robinson. For the most of the game it seemed like he had NO PLAN of how to surmount a comeback playing from behind. No hurry up. No spread formations. No nothing. This was VERY disturbing to see. This falls on the OFFENSE/COACHING. The Falcons simply outcoached us. I have faith that it will come though. Raye is a veteran, but he has been out of the loop calling games for some time. We will get it rolling. Niners 4 life.

I agree with most of what you said. TOP though, is on offense AND defense b/c the defense can't force 3 and outs and get off the field. Atlanta owned the defense and not only sustained drives against our defense but ended in scoring drives. The offense contributes to this as well with turnovers (defense turnovers too resulting in a temporary stop but ultimately, a TD) and 3 and outs and contributing to poor field positions for the defense.
our oline couldnt stop a high school defense our line is why we are suckin period!
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Yesterdays' game, their first drive, we get them to 3 and out. Our first drive ends up in a pick. Now our D is forced to defend a short field.

So THAT's why the 7 points?

Mmm.

Must have been a lot of 'short fields' to account for 35.

Remember - the offense - this offense - yesterday - in reality - on a real football field - put up 10 points by the half.

The game was over. Defense lost it.

You can say it was just one game. You can say - move on, ignore it. You can say - pretend it never happened.

The same problems exposed by Atlanta might well show up again - against Indy, against Chicago, heck, maybe even AZ (even SEA is playing better).

You can't 'move on'. The team has to learn from this. The D IS a problem. Face it. Admit it. Just one fan's opinion, obviously. I don't know what they're planning at 4949. I hope they saw the same game. I don't know how they could miss such an obvious problem as they saw with the D, yesterday. That's all.

And yes, ST and O are also a problem. This is a team far from peaking even this year. But haven't they already effectively swapped Wragge for Rachel? The froze out Rossum and finally cut him, today. So they're doing something even as YOU complain about the O and ST.

What about D?
if we wre averaging 14 pts allowed which was second in the league, yes the game was over at half and at whole game. we still would have lost by 4. shaun hill looked miserable. once again sure he could have had some help. but those passes to davis all looked like they were on hill. all we saw were three and outs. ofcoarse our d looked bad. they were on the feild the whole damn game.
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Originally posted by matt49er:
the entire team sucked yesterday the offense, defense and ST. the 9ers had the 6th ranked D while ranking #2 in pts allowed and #6 or 7 in sacks. The D isn't the "problem" of this team, yesterday it was everything. Overall we need to fix our OL and get better play from our WR on offense, better KR/PR, the D is pretty good aside from yesterday.

Yes. All this long winded blah blah blah going on after this game and the bottom line analysis is simply one sentence:

All three phases of the game had there heads up their asses BIG TIME.
So... How many three and outs did we have in the first half alone?

First drive ---> Intercepted. Atlanta scores a touchdown easily here after our defense had already stopped them for a 3-and-out.

2nd drive ---> Three and out.

3rd Drive ---> Our only touchdown drive of the game. Morgan broke a Tackle and should have scored if he didn't slow down.

4th Drive ---> FG drive. Score at this point was 14-10.

5th Drive ----> Three and out. Score was still 14-10. If Hill didn't get sacked, score would probably be 14-13, but we ended up punting here.

6th Drive ----> Score was now 28-10. We had NO timeouts to challenge an obvious non-fumble by Delanie Walker. Two were used on offense, one by Hill and one because Coffee wasn't ready. Both were wastes.

BTW, That 6th drive was a 3 and out too. LOL.

7th Drive ----> We have 1:12 left in the half. Score is now 35-10. What does our offense do? ABSO-f**kING-LUTELY NOTHING. Just HORRIBLE clock management on this possession. God damn.

So all in all, we had 5 drives that ended after 3 plays. Out of 7. Wow.

Just turrible.
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Originally posted by Method:
So... How many three and outs did we have in the first half alone?

First drive ---> Intercepted. Atlanta scores a touchdown easily here after our defense had already stopped them for a 3-and-out.

2nd drive ---> Three and out.

3rd Drive ---> Our only touchdown drive of the game. Morgan broke a Tackle and should have scored if he didn't slow down.

4th Drive ---> FG drive. Score at this point was 14-10.

5th Drive ----> Three and out. Score was still 14-10. If Hill didn't get sacked, score would probably be 14-13, but we ended up punting here.

6th Drive ----> Score was now 28-10. We had NO timeouts to challenge an obvious non-fumble by Delanie Walker. Two were used on offense, one by Hill and one because Coffee wasn't ready. Both were wastes.

BTW, That 6th drive was a 3 and out too. LOL.

7th Drive ----> We have 1:12 left in the half. Score is now 35-10. What does our offense do? ABSO-f**kING-LUTELY NOTHING. Just HORRIBLE clock management on this possession. God damn.

So all in all, we had 5 drives that ended after 3 plays. Out of 7. Wow.

Just turrible.

If Hill only had a O Line and some receivers he could show everyone what he can do, damn his crappy supporting cast holding him back
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Originally posted by Method:
So... How many three and outs did we have in the first half alone?

First drive ---> Intercepted. Atlanta scores a touchdown easily here after our defense had already stopped them for a 3-and-out.

2nd drive ---> Three and out.

3rd Drive ---> Our only touchdown drive of the game. Morgan broke a Tackle and should have scored if he didn't slow down.

4th Drive ---> FG drive. Score at this point was 14-10.

5th Drive ----> Three and out. Score was still 14-10. If Hill didn't get sacked, score would probably be 14-13, but we ended up punting here.

6th Drive ----> Score was now 28-10. We had NO timeouts to challenge an obvious non-fumble by Delanie Walker. Two were used on offense, one by Hill and one because Coffee wasn't ready. Both were wastes.

BTW, That 6th drive was a 3 and out too. LOL.

7th Drive ----> We have 1:12 left in the half. Score is now 35-10. What does our offense do? ABSO-f**kING-LUTELY NOTHING. Just HORRIBLE clock management on this possession. God damn.

So all in all, we had 5 drives that ended after 3 plays. Out of 7. Wow.

Just turrible.

Look a little deeper and you will see those drives ended after 2 plays, not three. The offense has been giving up one of the three downs in a series to the opposition, due to the QB pressure's. Awful hard to do much when you are really only getting two opportunities for 1st down instead of three. Think about it...your giving up 33% of your offensive opportunities, your offense is only in the game for a little more than one half, per game. They may as well leave the field 10 minutes into the third and just play D the rest of the game. That's the effect QB pressure's are having on us. The biggest majority of that blame falls on the o-line...I'm about ready to vote to blow the whole damn thing up except for Staley and Heitman because there is something seriously wrong with that line, and it's been ongoing for years now. I am f**king sick and tired of them getting their ass handed to them on third down....that's been going on for years now.
are we really going to have to put up with these bulls**t threads for two weeks?

Its real freaken simple: OLINE blows!!!!

Too bad Gore, Crabtree, our dream WR/QB combo does not play oline.
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Originally posted by HessianDud:
are we really going to have to put up with these bulls**t threads for two weeks?


I'm afraid so. Just try and enjoy the ride as best you can is the only thing that helps.
is this guy kidding me? with the play calling, our qb, our offensive line, you think defense is our biggest problem? lol, stop watching football
Originally posted by DynastyChile:
Dude this is the poorest evaluation i have ever seen

this
Originally posted by plinius9mm:
Its real freaken simple: OLINE blows!!!!

Too bad Gore, Crabtree, our dream WR/QB combo does not play oline.