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All one can talk is offense - is that really the problem?

Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by jreff22:

Apparently every issue I just responded to in my above post you don't have an answer for.

I just said I did.

Specifically, then - okay - specifically what is it that you think you said that was new which I haven't answered?

Tell me specifically. Just one thing.

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saying the D took a step backwards and let down the O
How did the D let down the O....by not scoring all the points? The D/ST has scored almost the same amount of TD's that Hill has thrown...who is letting who down? Here is another way to look at it...what if Hill threw 2 picks that were ran back for TD's or if Atl ran back 2 punts for TD's? That would mean ATL 14 SF 10, we would of still lost!! If the O cant put points on the board or play catchup what really do you expect the D to do? They were on the field for 36 minutes and repeatedly were given horrible field position. Take the TD's away and make them FG's and were still in trouble.

Oh - it's all the O-line's fault that ATL scored 35. Blame it on Hill.
Who deserves the blame for the O...the line and the QB. The line is having a hard time blocking and our QB cant throw the ball worth s**t. Regardless of how the D played on Sunday these issues (Hill and the line) have been consistent so far this season.

One shouldn't try to pretend, or make excuses.
I have said the D didn't play well and they had a brain fart but this is unorthodox for them. The O has been bad game after game!!

If ANYTHING, partly blame it on Bly. But he plays - ON DEFENSE!
Even if Bly didn't fumble he would of been tackled by White. By the way the O had played all game I would imagine it would of been another 3 and out and the D would be back on the field in under 2 minutes. By the way Bly's main job is to stop WR's from catching the ball, not score TD's....that's an O job.

They play like this against Indy - guess what?
Offense gets the ball goes 3 and out then punts...how does that get us points to win. At some point Indy will get good field position due to special teams play. Even if we stop them they can still kick field goals and score, something we haven't been able to do. So does that make it a D problem or a O problem?

Every statement you made that holds no water I answered. Obviously you don't have a response to anything quoted above.

Explain how Bly is to blame for this loss?

Explain how our inept O can beat Indy, I gave a realistic example of what can happen and in that example how can any blame be given to the D.

You want to convince me, give a solid rebuttal to all my responses!
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Explain how Bly is to blame for this loss?

People are looking to blame the O. And I think I said if anything made sense, it would be to blame Bly. He gave it up. But he plays - on defense.

I'm just repeating myself, here.

Read through the thread, first.
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Explain how Bly is to blame for this loss?

People are looking to blame the O. And I think I said if anything made sense, it would be to blame Bly. He gave it up. But he plays - on defense.

I'm just repeating myself, here.

Read through the thread, first.

Dude, this is not on Dre Bly. You are obviously using him as a scape goat. He could've been a real bum and not intercept the ball in the first place, or worst, he could have let White catch it and run it in. Yes Bly made a bonehead move, but the loss is not on him
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Originally posted by FourNine49:
Dude, this is not on Dre Bly. You are obviously using him as a scape goat.

I never suggested anything of the sort. I said if people insist on blaming the O for the 35 points then it makes more sense to blame Bly, for giving it up. And he plays on - D!

In this case, just read the thread. What was said - not what you think might have been.
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Explain how Bly is to blame for this loss?

People are looking to blame the O. And I think I said if anything made sense, it would be to blame Bly. He gave it up. But he plays - on defense.

I'm just repeating myself, here.

Read through the thread, first.

I did read the thread and none of your points make any sense.

Ok here's a better one...Bly made 1 mistake but still got an INT. Why don't you count all the missed blocks, wrong reads by Hill, wrong routes ran, dropped passes, bad passes, miss-communications by Hill, Morgan getting run down, Coffee not bouncing runs, etc etc and see who gets more tallies.

Hill was given 30+ opportunities to throw and got 1 TD out of all of them.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
none of your points make any sense.

Fine - nothing you've written makes any sense.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
Originally posted by DynastyChile:
Dude this is the poorest evaluation i have ever seen
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by jreff22:
none of your points make any sense.

Fine - nothing you've written makes any sense.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I can see you football knowledge ended at pop warner
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Originally posted by jreff22:
I can see you football knowledge ended at pop warner

You not only say that not a single thing I've written makes sense, but now you start up with a personal insult?

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Originally posted by FourNine49:
Originally posted by DynastyChile:
Dude this is the poorest evaluation i have ever seen

Should have read the OP. What can I say?
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Explain how Bly is to blame for this loss?

People are looking to blame the O. And I think I said if anything made sense, it would be to blame Bly. He gave it up. But he plays - on defense.

I'm just repeating myself, here.

Read through the thread, first.

Bly is definitely NOT the reason we lost this game. He is one of the few who actually made a play this game (then fumbled). These stats tell the story of why we lost and who is to blame (DEFENSE/OFFENSE/SP. TEAMS/COACHING)....

FALCONS 49ERS
Fumbles (Number-Lost) 3 - 1 Fumbles (Number-Lost) 2 - 2
Time of Possession 36:29 Time of Possession 23:31
Times Sacked (Number-Yards) 0 - 0 Times Sacked (Number-Yards)3 - 19
Third Down Efficiency 8/14 - 57% Third Down Efficiency 4/14 -28%
Red Zone Efficiency 4/5 - 80% Red Zone Efficiency 1/2 - 50%


1. FUMBLES: We gave the ball away. Up to this point, this was one of the main reasons we have been winning. We rarely have turned the ball over this season. This one falls on the OFFENSE/SP. TEAMS/DEFENSE.

2. PASS RUSH: The defense has been the strength of our team this season, with a surprisingly strong pass rush so far. However, this time they failed to get any sacks on one of the most talented young QBs in the league IMO. Can't do that and expect to win. Make no mistake, Ryan and the Falcons are for real. DEFENSE

3. TOP: Can't leave your D out there for nearly 40 minutes and expect to win either. Our O has another abbismal display of 3rd down efficiency, even when our D put them in very good scoring positions. This falls on the OFFENSE

4. RED ZONE: Our D also struggled in another area on which they have been very good so far this season, the red zone. This breakdown looked to come from lack of a pass rush, missed assignments, D-Line not getting set, and just plain getting tired as the game wore on. Give the D some credit though. Say what you want but they only allowed 10 points in the second half. This falls on the DEFENSE/OFFENSE

5. PLAY CALLING: The O just couldn't score when they needed to. Aside from that gutsy 4th down called by Raye, his play calling doesnt seem to allow for Hill et al. to establish any sort of rhythm--hence our O starts slow every game. For example look how the Falcons KEPT on going to T. Gonzales the whole game. V. Davis should be no different. Make teams account for him. I don't know WHY this want to force our rookie RB out there 1, 2, 3rd downs, when we should have been giving the Falcons a strong dose of Robinson. For the most of the game it seemed like he had NO PLAN of how to surmount a comeback playing from behind. No hurry up. No spread formations. No nothing. This was VERY disturbing to see. This falls on the OFFENSE/COACHING. The Falcons simply outcoached us. I have faith that it will come though. Raye is a veteran, but he has been out of the loop calling games for some time. We will get it rolling. Niners 4 life.
Originally posted by ninerlegacy:
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Explain how Bly is to blame for this loss?

People are looking to blame the O. And I think I said if anything made sense, it would be to blame Bly. He gave it up. But he plays - on defense.

I'm just repeating myself, here.

Read through the thread, first.

Bly is definitely NOT the reason we lost this game. He is one of the few who actually made a play this game (then fumbled). These stats tell the story of why we lost and who is to blame (DEFENSE/OFFENSE/SP. TEAMS/COACHING)....

FALCONS 49ERS
Fumbles (Number-Lost) 3 - 1 Fumbles (Number-Lost) 2 - 2
Time of Possession 36:29 Time of Possession 23:31
Times Sacked (Number-Yards) 0 - 0 Times Sacked (Number-Yards)3 - 19
Third Down Efficiency 8/14 - 57% Third Down Efficiency 4/14 -28%
Red Zone Efficiency 4/5 - 80% Red Zone Efficiency 1/2 - 50%


1. FUMBLES: We gave the ball away. Up to this point, this was one of the main reasons we have been winning. We rarely have turned the ball over this season. This one falls on the OFFENSE/SP. TEAMS/DEFENSE.

2. PASS RUSH: The defense has been the strength of our team this season, with a surprisingly strong pass rush so far. However, this time they failed to get any sacks on one of the most talented young QBs in the league IMO. Can't do that and expect to win. Make no mistake, Ryan and the Falcons are for real. DEFENSE

3. TOP: Can't leave your D out there for nearly 40 minutes and expect to win either. Our O has another abbismal display of 3rd down efficiency, even when our D put them in very good scoring positions. This falls on the OFFENSE

4. RED ZONE: Our D also struggled in another area on which they have been very good so far this season, the red zone. This breakdown looked to come from lack of a pass rush, missed assignments, D-Line not getting set, and just plain getting tired as the game wore on. Give the D some credit though. Say what you want but they only allowed 10 points in the second half. This falls on the DEFENSE/OFFENSE

5. PLAY CALLING: The O just couldn't score when they needed to. Aside from that gutsy 4th down called by Raye, his play calling doesnt seem to allow for Hill et al. to establish any sort of rhythm--hence our O starts slow every game. For example look how the Falcons KEPT on going to T. Gonzales the whole game. V. Davis should be no different. Make teams account for him. I don't know WHY this want to force our rookie RB out there 1, 2, 3rd downs, when we should have been giving the Falcons a strong dose of Robinson. For the most of the game it seemed like he had NO PLAN of how to surmount a comeback playing from behind. No hurry up. No spread formations. No nothing. This was VERY disturbing to see. This falls on the OFFENSE/COACHING. The Falcons simply outcoached us. I have faith that it will come though. Raye is a veteran, but he has been out of the loop calling games for some time. We will get it rolling. Niners 4 life.

Right.

We had 13 opportunities on offense, and SEVEN three n' outs. I hope its clear just how bad it is to have over half of your offensive possessions end with a three n' out.

Let's put it this way, I don't think a single team in the history of the league has made the playoffs while leading the NFL in three n' outs. Therefore, IF we end the season leading the league in 3 n' outs, we will not be sniffing the playoffs; I don't care what division we are in.
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Originally posted by ninerlegacy:
Bly is definitely NOT the reason we lost this game.

You and 'jreff' are the only two saying that. So you've corrected yourself. Isn't that great?

As for what we saw in this game, just read the OP and many of the subsequent messages.

The O - the hated O, the despised O, the taint-no-good O, put up 10 pts. In games they used to call 'defensive struggles', that would be good for a half. Let the D's battle it out.

Here what happened. Our 'vaunted D', the one in need of a mean-sounding nickname, spotted Atlanta - 35 points!

That's what happened. The OP then goes into some detail.

Again, in a couple of messages I mentioned the sheer terror, the fear, the 'fright night' of having to confront something that was APPOSED to be fixed. The D - why that's 'top-rated'. That's top-o-the-rate. That's high-rate, and really up there.

After this game, check those numbers again. They keep on without a pass rush, then just keep checking those 'top-rated' numbers.

You see, those change - from week to week.
Yes offense is really the problem. When the D scores as much as the O in the rams game and Gore was our only TD threat while he was healthy. Our O doesn't scare anyone and when other teams are asked about the upcoming game against the niners all they talk up is our D! Its not our scheme but our lack of execution on O and its sickening to watch
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Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Up until yesterdays game, our D has been playing exceptionally well. Can't say the same for our offense.

D had been. And offense hadn't contributed much.

What you say is true.

But yesterday - against the Falcons - the game to 'move on from', to forget, to pretend was never played - the D was not a top-ranked D. And the offense put up 10 points.

So why put this on the D? The offense had 10 points on the board. AND THE GAME WAS OVER!

The offense had 10 points by halftime - and the game was over.

That's because in the same stretch, the D allowed 35! points.

It's not the stats. It's not what might have been, could have been. It's reality - what is, what was.

This D played well against the Vikings - a good test I thought. Houston shouldn't provide such a test. If they do - point made.

But Indy? Chicago?

These are the teams for which they must be prepared. Singletary says this bye offers the opportunity to re-evaluate the 53. They've already cut a practice guy, and Rossum. They may have already swapped Wragge for Rachel, but both stay on the 53. And so on. Lewis and Ulbrich are both injured from concussion. Changes to the 53, however. Sing was also right to start by saying - if I'm not apologizing at least let me say, this one's on ME, and my coaches. And then . . it's on the players. And he's spot on. And this coaching letdown was typical of the Nowin era, as well. If you want to talk O, at least I'll give you a sort of potential equivalence here between 'Hoss' and Jimmy Raye.

Add into that the odd indifference to the game by the players themselves, Morgan trying to trot in the last 10 yards, Bly celebrating deep in his OWN territory on an INT. Guys on D standing around, or lying around, instead of 'flying around', and so on.

And what's more, we all of us made these very comments DURING the game, in the game thread. How quickly people forget.

You have to identify the problem. And yes O and ST are weak. But D was supposed to be the strength. What the 49ers have are a few particularly talented and motivated players like Willis, Spikes and Smith. I'd say Manny, too. And some others. But for most part, they let Atlanta drive right through them. And this was supposed to be the strength of the team.

No pass rush! Nothing consistent. Smith gets in there. But it has to be more. Haralson can't allow himself to get stuffed or run out of plays. I remember our coach. Tom Rathman, used to run guys right to the sideline. But Haralson can't allow himself to be similarly escorted.

Etc. But, again, see above.
The offenses job is to not only score points, but also provide a rest for the defense. You can't expect a defense to be out there all the time on the field, giving Atlanta more and more time to find rhythm against tiring defensive players. In addition, scoring points forces the opponent to change their game plan on offense. Thus, the winning team begins to define how the game is played on their terms. Creating a buffer by scoring a lot of points also allows the D to become more aggressive.

In addition, let's talk about morale. The first four games of the season were largely played on emotion and the strength of our Defense. Take the Rams game for example. The team relied on their D and Special Teams to score 3 tds against the Rams. Our offense only managed two TDs against the Rams. That is not good. Over the course of the season, the offense failing to do their part adds up. Think about in your own work place. How long do you stay motivated if you do an awesome job but other departments keep sucking it up, preventing your company from being profitable?

Then, I don't know how you come away from watching this game and say our offense wasn't terrible. It was clearly terrible. Atlanta is going to score points, they have talented skill players that pose matchup problems.

In addition, they had two weeks to game plan against our D.