Can We Utilize this Offense vs. our past WCO

My fellow zoners i had to post this to see what most think.

What i am saying is that currently we are 3-1. I honestly dont care who we have at QB. With what they are asking, Hill is doing just fine.

My question is this, We were founded as a pass first WCO. Or at least after Walsh. Our Bread and butter was pass first, then the run to support the passing.

Now it's different, it's run first, then pass. We have all the talent at WR in the world, especially adding crabtree. But honestly i wonder if our WR can really be utilized continuously with this offense, and be effective enough to make a serious run at the playoffs. Hill has spread the ball a little, but i mean if our WR's this year have caught balls totally for a few TD's and 400 yards collectively, while most wr's have these type of numbers individually. I mean can we really flourish with the passing if they dont put up the numbers.

So overall can we make a run with this offense, vs. our typical WCO (regardless of who's at QB)

if da team chemistry keeps getting betta, raye adjust his play callin accordingly, and finally they figure out how 2 fix da o-line then ya i think they can get it done

I'm still not sure what da question is?

I don't really care what the stats are for our players, just as long as the team stat: WINNING, keeps getting better.

Actually, I would not be surprised if we move more and more toward the WCO. Sing has figured the shortest distance to winning is a consistent run game and a dominant defense. The short passing game of Hill lends itself toward to this plan and movement toward the WCO.

Actually, what Sing is doing is not too far removed from what Bill Walsh did. The niners had a solid running attack and a very good defense, few mistakes and penalties. We're right on track toward something very much like what we enjoyed in the past.

Sing/Raye are trying to mold this team in the image of the 85 Bears and/or 00 Ravens.

Unfortunately, those teams (like some of our SB Niners) were extremes when it comes to Superbowl prototypes. Usually, a successful team has a balanced attack, both offensively and defensively. It's not a bad concept for now, since this is a young developing team. Our defense can use this year to get better and cement itself as a dominant unit. But to be a SB team, we will have to be productive offensively.

We need to be able to get a first down before figuring out how to use different kind of offenses.

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Sing/Raye are trying to mold this team in the image of the 85 Bears and/or 00 Ravens.

Unfortunately, those teams (like some of our SB Niners) were extremes when it comes to Superbowl prototypes. Usually, a successful team has a balanced attack, both offensively and defensively. It's not a bad concept for now, since this is a young developing team. Our defense can use this year to get better and cement itself as a dominant unit. But to be a SB team, we will have to be productive offensively.

Yeah I agree our bluprint right now is more that of the Ravens and 85 bears. But like you said there needs to be balance in the offense. If our offense can resemble more of the 85 bears with Gore playing the part of Payton and Crabtree or Jones( in the near future hopefully) playing the part of Willie Gault.

Originally posted by calinig4life:
if da team chemistry keeps getting betta

Did you really just type with improper grammar on purpose?

What are you from the bayou?

[ Edited by MaliCali on Oct 10, 2009 at 23:07:11 ]

Yes, we can use a run-first offense and have success. As others have said, the 2000 Ravens and '85 Bears had this same formula and were able to win the Super Bowl with it.

The question is, does it fit our offense? I would think so. On paper, our offense fits the mold. We have an elite RB in Frank Gore, and a serviceable backup in Coffee. We have good run-blocking TEs and FBs. Our WRs are physical and tough. Shaun Hill is smart and doesn't turn the ball over too much. Our offensive linemen are better run-blockers than pass-blockers.

Could we be a West Coast Offense? Yes. Shaun Hill is a very horizontal passer (he throws short and medium range passes and knows how to check down). Our WRs seem to know how to run after the catch. Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker are good pass-catchers.

The only reason why we don't use a WCO is because Singletary is an old-school type who prefers to have the strong running game. That... and we KNOW Frank Gore is an elite runningback. Our WR corps and Shaun Hill have a lot of potential, but they have yet to prove that they can consistently be a pass-first team. As the season goes on, I think we'll establish a strong running game and West Coast Offense style of passing. I think it'll really look like Steve Mariucci's offense, but probably better at running than passing.

Jersey

I think you are being premature and optimistic saying that we have all the talent in the world at wide eceiver.

One is just back from injury, one looked very promising but hasn't looked good yet this year, one is on his last legs and we can't expect much from the rookie under the circumstances.

Oh, and, of course, the line can't pass protect.

The whole team is a work-in-progress, and the air game clearly did not have the priority that the D and the running game had. But with Crabtree signed, I expect the emphasis will gradually change