Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by domesik:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:Originally posted by Giant9er:Originally posted by kronik:Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:
Come on guys... MadDog is always right.
Now, bow down and kiss the virtual ground he floats over.
Why does anyone care what this guy thinks? Most vets on the board already knows that he's a egotistic fraud. Most including myself have no respect for this guy and won't take him seriously. Just ignore him. If not, he may run to a mod and cry to have you banned.
Anybody that has been around here for any period of time on this site knows what Maddog is, a master of spin and a master of turning others info into his own. Just don't pay attention to him, I put him in the same category of poster as NolanHasAPlan(for those of you who remember that guy lol) he simply is a joke poster who cant actually believe what he is typing, he just wants a reaction and has to much time on his hands. What do you expect from a High School teacher who never made it in football? I would be cynical and hurt about my own failure too lol
The Lord of the Trolls has entered the house. NV, you are so predictable, it is...funny. What took you so long?
I think the fact that you engage those who you consider to be "trolls", while giving quick, two sentence responses to the posts that attempt to propogate intelligent discussion speaks volumes.
As a former mod, my opinion is that a valid argument could be made for your removal from the board under the High Maintenance user clause.
It isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it's the manner in which you do so. It isn't the opinions that you hold, it's the manner in which you express them. It isn't the fact that you get into heated arguments, it's the manner in which you stoke the flames.
You're toeing a very fine line.
Kronik and Nv and I have a long history. Kronik was embarrassed a long time ago when I pointed out in his Bryant Johnson Arnaz Battle thread that he made four factual errors, in order to support his position that Johnson should be kept and Battle dumped. After I did the research, and facted checked his errors, he still refused to change his thread until other posters jumped in and asked him to do so. He even admitted his error on the thread, but has held a grudge ever since.
He also tend to jump into controversial threads with nothing to add but an attack. He's been doing that for some time now, and has been warned by the mods.
As for NV, I have a lot more respect for him, since he understands the game pretty well. We simply disagree on vitually everything. He tends to also jump in and go for the character attack, which I don't understand. He can argue his points pretty well, but tends to avoid the topic and simply go the slander route.
You can see the example of both posters on this thread.
The problem is that you bring most if not all of this on yourself. You are that guy who in his mind is smarter than everyone else. Who is an authority on everything and who cannot stand to be questioned or be wrong. In thinking that you are smarter than everyone else you talk down to them and are incredibly codescending. When people call you out and actually provide concrete proof that goes against what you say, you either do not respond or have some "clever"rebuttal. I asked you after the Senior Bowl why your opinion of Raji had changed so dramatically. 2 weeks before the SB you dismissed any talk of Raji as a top 10 pick. Your exact words were that he was just not very good. Well after the SB all of the real experts were raving about Raji's play and how dominant he was, and low and behold your opinion of him changed. You claimed he was one of the best prospects to come out in a while at that position and would be a sure fire top 10 pick. Yet when I asked you twice what exactly he did to change your opinion, you couldn't provide an answer. You just provided some generic, regurgitated information on what he does well which went against what you initially said, all the while not addressing the issue of what exactly did he do at the SB to change your opinion so drastically in a matter of 2 weeks. I think in reading your posts and how you talk to others, it has become clear to me why you are a teacher. And sadly I don't believe it is to help the kids. Since you do feel you are smarter than everyone and an authority on everything and do not like to be questioned, what better place to exert your power than in a classroom with a bunch of kids. You can say whatever you want and no kid is ever going to dispute you or call BS on yours. It is a perfect enviroment for someone with an ego like yours. Now I am not saying you are not a knowledgeable football fan, but I just don't believe you are as knowledgeable as you think you are. And FAN being the operative word. You are not a professional draft guru, nor a professional cap guru and you are not professional beat writer guru. You are simply a fan.
And the response is.....
Can I have dinner and work on school stuff for a couple hours? I don't get paid to be on the board. Breath in, breath out.
OK, as I stated before, I am happy to take questions and concerns. The statement above was about Raji. In the middle of last season, I thought Raji was overrated by many, and saw him as a 17-20th overall selection in the draft, not a top 10 pick.
However, toward the end of the season, I was very impressed with his play. He was able to play both the NT and the undertackle. I still did not think he was top ten material, but someone I could see at about 15.
Raji really turned it on in the postseason, with an excellent bowl game, and a sensational Senior Bowl week. To me, he was probably the most dominating player during practice week, and really lit into Alex Mack and Max Unger. He was able to bull rush through players in the NT position, and blow past them at the undertackle. To me, the Senior Bowl is a time to prove that you are better than the rest of the guys who were college stars, and Raji was amazing.
One minor reason Eric Wood rose to become a first rounder was his play against Raji in the Senior Bowl game, when he effectively shut him out. However, Raji had proven himself as a stud during the one-on-one practice sessions, which is more valuable than the game.
So, on draft day, I was certainly not surprised Raji went in the top 10 picks.
P.S. I think you overstate the "bring it upon yourself". Contract disputes bring out a lot of anger. I played into the anger with people who were losing their minds over the contract dispute, especially when accusing Crabtree and Parker of being bad guys. If anything, I was far from over the top compared to the masses who acted hysterically throughout this adventure. I do have a tendency to slide back and forth between fighting injustice in a militant way (by butchering others), or by mocking their irrationality. There were some people on the verge of jumping off the bridge, and I was there to push them.
The biggest error I made in this contract dispute was not supporting management. If I chose the populist position, I would have been hailed and cheered. Chosing the road less travelled and having a nuanced response is not going to be popular with people who are out for blood. So, I was an easy target, especially since I supported Crabtree's claim that he should receive money outside the slot. Of course, then people claimed thaty I was supporting a $40 million payday, and other forms of lies, in order to discredit my position, and the snowball went down the hill.
When people began to attribute statements to me that were not true, I have asked them to show me those statements. Nobody has yet to take me up on that offer.
I am willing to admit error, but it is funny that very few on this board is willing to do the same. I'll throw everyone a bone: I believed this deal would not be for six years. OK, there you go. I believed this deal would be concluded before the regular season. Of course, the masses were angry that I said he would miss any time of training camp.
I'm not quite sure where the anger comes from. The people who are not usually inflamed know my track record is very tight in predictions. I did predict on draft day that Crabtree would be a difficult contract to sign, I predicted a holdout beyond the start of camp, and I said that an unusual contract would be needed to get the job done. And, all three are true. I never stated that he would receive DHB money, and I believed he would get the slotted amount in guaranteed money. Anybody can review my prior statements. They are not hiding anyplace. However, it is more convenient for some people to accuse me of making statements that I never did. There is not much I can do.
Every year, there is a raging discussion in the offseason. This year, it was Crabtree. The past two years it was Lelie and Battle (in which I was right on both accounts..just to be straight with the record). And, you can add this offseason as the third in a row for Battle. Last year, during the regular season, the big war was over whether Eric Heitmann was a Good Football player, and I was correct again. I have an excellent record in the draft, and am usually accurate in 49ers news.
So, when all is said and done, those who are angry with me with catch their breath, and everything will be fine again.
So, no stress, my friend.
P.S. Arguing against management in any contract dispute is never going to make you any friends. Think about the labor stoppage in any sport. 99.9% of the people are furious with the players and their supporters. This is no different.
A final note: I promise I will never be away from the board more than three consecutive hours again, so I won't offend others who are waiting for my response.
Hey, I can agree that there are irrational people on every board. However, you tend to focus on those select few and then proceed to group the whole board together as the same. In all fairness, you didn't change your tune about Raji until all of the experts came out and praised him during the week of SB. So it appeared that you based your new opinion of him based on that. It was a complete 180. You clearly did not consider him orverrated after SB week, on the contrary you found him to be quite special. I can go back an cut and paste your comments, but I am sure you are aware of what you said. But thank you for your response. And no you may not have dinner and work on stuff after a hard day of work.
P.S. If you are a fan of The Office, I can give you a comparison on your theory of the Crabtree/Parker vs. Niner managment contract dispute.
[ Edited by Hoovtrain on Oct 9, 2009 at 00:42:49 ]