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CRABTREE SIGNED

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Notice Crabtree has his name taped to his helmet like nobody knows his name.



No SF emblem yet either.

No special treatment kid.

I love that, and that is not by accident for sure. Sing is letting him know, "son YOU are in training camp, everyone else has a game to prepare for this Sunday." Sing is truely a motivator of MEN which is rare these days and I'm gald he's a 9er.
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
No reason to spin what others have said. No one is denying Brandt's article or even attacking his credibility for that matter.

However, he fails to address how Crabtree's contract stacks up against Raji's in saying who eventually "won" the negotiation. As Sonoco previously stated, Raji's escalators are easily attained and bump his salary up to about somewhere near $29 million over 5 years, with more guaranteed money than Crabtree. When it averages out, even giving Crabtree the benefit of a 3/4 season this year, Raji is still going to end up making more than him barring some ridiculous career-ending injury.

The Niners held the slot, and negotiated the contract they wanted, as opposed to the DHB money that Parker was supposedly requesting. Did he gain from the $20 million/5 year deal that was supposedly on the table? Sure. But did the Niners still hold the slot compared the the deal the Raji got? Definitely. For you to completely dismiss these facts defies all logic. No one has to cut any losses, you're wrong and have been continually backpedaling and trying to spin things into your favor. Trust me, you would have lost a lot less respect from posters on here had you just admitted you were incorrect.

Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
No reason to spin what others have said. No one is denying Brandt's article or even attacking his credibility for that matter.

However, he fails to address how Crabtree's contract stacks up against Raji's in saying who eventually "won" the negotiation. As Sonoco previously stated, Raji's escalators are easily attained and bump his salary up to about somewhere near $29 million over 5 years, with more guaranteed money than Crabtree. When it averages out, even giving Crabtree the benefit of a 3/4 season this year, Raji is still going to end up making more than him barring some ridiculous career-ending injury.

The Niners held the slot, and negotiated the contract they wanted, as opposed to the DHB money that Parker was supposedly requesting. Did he gain from the $20 million/5 year deal that was supposedly on the table? Sure. But did the Niners still hold the slot compared the the deal the Raji got? Definitely. For you to completely dismiss these facts defies all logic. No one has to cut any losses, you're wrong and have been continually backpedaling and trying to spin things into your favor. Trust me, you would have lost a lot less respect from posters on here had you just admitted you were incorrect.


CRABTREE SIGNED MOTHERb***hES HE IS A NINER
















[ Edited by valrod33 on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:35:31 ]
Originally posted by dman:
Caption please:


This MoFo don't even know what "Humble" means.......YET!!!!
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

how funny..the cat is kicking a mad dog

[ Edited by BirdmanJr on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:41:27 ]
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by dman:
Caption please:


This MoFo don't even know what "Humble" means.......YET!!!!

That's my b***h officially

Crabs: fuuuuuuuuuuu

[ Edited by BirdmanJr on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:42:17 ]
Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

how funny..the cat is kicking a mad dog

that was kinda the point
Originally posted by Rojo49:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Parker didn't lose in this

Really? Please explain.

I thought I did in my original post
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

how funny..the cat is kicking a mad dog

that was kinda the point

I know
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Parker didn't lose in this, but he went the long, rough way when he could have easily got the same money as soon as TC had he sat down with the Niners. Instead of waiting 4 games into the season to get a million more. And lost his client valuable time with the team.

I think the Niners would have gone to as high as 18mil guaranteed, but to stand firm on 16mil and gave him 1 mil more is a win for the Niners after Crabtree have had enough of the impasse is a win for the Niners. Winning on the Niners side is paying less then how high you are willing to go for Crabtree, NOT the original number offered. That's just the starting point of the negotiation. We will never know how high Jed was willing to pay for Crabtree and neither does Parker.

Dude, he may have got 1 mil more, but at the expense of another year on his contract. Therefore his guaranteed money average is lower than the original offer, plus he hits FA later.

Can't ignored the fact that he did get 1mil more out of the Niners. Whether it was enough for holding out it's debatable. Like I said he could have gotten that without holding out.

I would think guaranteed money is what drives the contract and negotiation. It's a sure thing for the client. The rest of the contract although pertinent is secondary to the guaranteed money. So in that regard. You get one mil more guaranteed. He didn't lose in that regard.

[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Oct 8, 2009 at 13:00:06 ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Parker didn't lose in this, but he went the long, rough way when he could have easily got the same money as soon as TC had he sat down with the Niners. Instead of waiting 4 games into the season to get a million more. And lost his client valuable time with the team.

I think the Niners would have gone to as high as 18mil guaranteed, but to stand firm on 16mil and gave him 1 mil more is a win for the Niners after Crabtree have had enough of the impasse is a win for the Niners. Winning on the Niners side is paying less then how high you are willing to go for Crabtree, NOT the original number offered. That's just the starting point of the negotiation. We will never know how high Jed was willing to pay for Crabtree and neither does Parker.

Dude, he may have got 1 mil more, but at the expense of another year on his contract. Therefore his guaranteed money average is lower than the original offer, plus he hits FA later.

Can't ignored the fact that he did get 1mil more out of the Niners. Whether it was enough for holding out it's debatable. Like I said he could have gotten that without holding out.

It's not debatable:

$16 million guaranteed/5 years = $3.2 million guaranteed/year

$17 million guaranteed/6 years = $2.8 million guaranteed/year

Please explain your stance on this. Crabtree would have been earning more guaranteed per year with the original deal.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Ya gotta love MadDogs revisionist history.

MD: 2+2 is 6!!! You're a fool. I know all.

Marvin: Um, no....its 4.

MD: Fool!! I was right!!! 2+2 is 4. Thats what I have been saying all along!!!!


You are attempting to smear me, so I ask you to show me, and the board, where I have been a revisionist. And, I will continue to ask you until you come up with something, or retract your statement.

You have dug yourself a hole. Good luck.

ummmm, read this whole thread, esp. with your post claiming you were right.

Dude, how hard is it you say you were wrong? I mean, say it with me: I AM WRONG.

The fact that you keep insisting that you're right and it's been literally proven by most of the sport writers in America that the 49ers actually came on top is really , ummmmmm.... silly.

Cheers!

- 98

Post where I am wrong. Please.

P.S. Most sports writers know s*it about the cap. I'll take the word from an expert in business and the cap than some journalism major who probably never spent one day in an Accounting or Finance class.

Everytime we do you don't respond to it. And NO I'm not going through the last 800+ Crabtree pages and hours of my life to prove you wrong which I could do just so you can deny it and claim to be right. I honestly don't know why you are a 49ers fan. Seriously, it is so effin obvious that the very young management of this team held firm and "won". Hell, listen to McC in the presser yesterday. I know you don't think that the 49ers caving would set a precedent, but McC did, he said so, and that is all that counts. I for one am very happy and proud to be a 49er fan today, I'm confident in the front office, the coach, and the players, and I think we can all agree that it has been a LONG time since the 49ers have given us reason to feel that.

So again, are you really a 49er fan, or do you just like to argue with 49er fans. Simply because after all this you would rather NOT recognize a very positive outcome for the 49ers just to hang on to the string of rightness that doesn't exist for your position. There is a name for that type of fan...starts with Nation and ends with Raiders, and since you live out of state I can tell you that Oakland is not that far away from San Francisco, its just over the bridge.

Like coach said, "We are going in this direction, anybody not wanting to go with us will be left behind". This train is picking up steam so either get on or GTFO.

GO NINERS.

Best,

Alex


[ Edited by BirdmanJr on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:59:52 ]