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CRABTREE SIGNED

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Adam_Schefter RT @FauxJohnMadden How good is Deion Sanders? Even post retirement he's shut down two of the best college WR's in football!

So what do you guys think he'll be?

A team player or a ''gun -for -hire'' Deion Sanders type guy playing wherever the money is?


I think the later
Originally posted by hungarian9erfan:
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Adam_Schefter RT @FauxJohnMadden How good is Deion Sanders? Even post retirement he's shut down two of the best college WR's in football!


Who is the 2nd wr?
Originally posted by luis1985:
Originally posted by hungarian9erfan:
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Adam_Schefter RT @FauxJohnMadden How good is Deion Sanders? Even post retirement he's shut down two of the best college WR's in football!


Who is the 2nd wr?

Dez Bryant from Oklahoma State. He's projected to be one of the top 2 WRs in next years draft class
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!
Regarding Crabtree's contract, If he does not make his incentives its a six year deal which means after year 5 he becomes a restricted free agent in which the niners would have right of first refusal if he is offerred a big contract by another team. If the niners do not match than they would receive 2 first rounders in compensation unless other compensation is agreed on in a trade. So it appears that whether the deal is voidable or not there is the potential to lose Crabtree after the 5th year of the contract and depending on his performance we may or may not get compensation. Hope fully, this guy turns out to be a player and we are able to resign him before this happens but if Parker is still his agent at that point you never know.
Originally posted by 49erWill:

It should be fun to see the Crabtree haters attempt to dismiss Brandt's breakdown. This will be high comedy...let's take on a capologist.

I can see smoke rising out their ears right now.

Cheers.
Now that crabtree is signed he is simply another dog on the sled. I hope he puts some decent numbers up before season's end.
you can bet a lot of people will be tuningin on sunday. Being that we are playing on turf in atl, I think we should let him line up in slot in a 4 wr set...just go deep...or go kind of deep but not too deep cuz hill cant throw that far...

how bout....put in nate davis and let him throw it deep...
  • pd24
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Both sides did win. The niners stayed within the slot and Crabtree got more money. That was never the issue for the niners. They wanted Parker to come to the table to work out the details and see what tweeks they could make to the contract. Parker chose to stay away in hopes of the Niners saying we will pay you what you want. Parker could have sat down with the niners the day after raji signed and got this same deal, but he never told the niners what type of deal they were looking for.
Originally posted by fister30:
Now that crabtree is signed he is simply another dog on the sled. I hope he puts some decent numbers up before season's end.

same here. knock on wood -- but IF we make the playoffs -- and regardless of what talking heads are already saying i still call it a BIG IF -- i hope crabtree can make some big plays in january
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by 49erWill:

It should be fun to see the Crabtree haters attempt to dismiss Brandt's breakdown. This will be high comedy...let's take on a capologist.

I can see smoke rising out their ears right now.

Cheers.

At least 70% of the posters knew that in order for a deal to occur, both sides had to meet in the middle.

Maddog, I think people will get angry with you because your comments leading up to the deal made Eugene Parker seem like the Jesus of the NFL.
Originally posted by 49erWill:

This.

And the obliviousness, too.

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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by 49erWill:

It should be fun to see the Crabtree haters attempt to dismiss Brandt's breakdown. This will be high comedy...let's take on a capologist.

I can see smoke rising out their ears right now.

Cheers.

Andrew Brandt's analysis is good, but you aren't right and this little position you picked up was never yours to begin with. I think I remember you saying that he should be paid DHB money, and ranting and raving about how stupid the 49ers front office was for not signing him to a big deal because everyone on planet Earth knew Crabtree was a top 7 talent and this was a unique situation that called for a unique, slot busting deal.

Sometimes you just have to admit your position in the end was wrong. It makes life a lot easier on you when you can admit your faults. But you claiming victory on this one is a joke.

Oh, and the contract and the escalators that total $8 million and the other various benchmarks would mean the team has a WR that is producing if they are paying those out, so, in the end the front office wins.
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Both sides did win. The niners stayed within the slot and Crabtree got more money. That was never the issue for the niners. They wanted Parker to come to the table to work out the details and see what tweeks they could make to the contract. Parker chose to stay away in hopes of the Niners saying we will pay you what you want. Parker could have sat down with the niners the day after raji signed and got this same deal, but he never told the niners what type of deal they were looking for.

Do you have "Winner" stenciled over your bathroom mirror?

I hate debating with you because you can't get past yourself in the argument but non the less. Simple and sweet, it has been widely reported that this deal would have gone down like this had they not held out. This contract would have been the end result of negotiations before training camp. How you can claim victory is beyond me, i'm not even sure what your winning? None-the-less you berated people who supported the FO and defended Parker to the death. Well it looks like Parker had Crabtree hold out for nothing.

Now get back to class and brainwash those kids with some Ideology.