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Is it just me, who has this feeling....

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Also, I don't think we can beat NO, matter of fact, I don't think any team can beat NO, they are scary good on offense and defense.

They're going to go 16-0? No chance.
Originally posted by DaFaro49ers:
Guys, is it just me who has the feeling that If we faced any team in the League right now that'd we'd be able to compete and possibily win the game. We are well coached, with a stout Defense and an offense who so far does not turn the ball over. Bring on the Saints, the Giants, the Colts, the Eagles, the patriots, I honestly feel we can hang and beat anybody right now....! Am I CRAZY? or IS everybody with me!

I think you are smoking a good one! Sorry bro, no way 9ers can compete with high scoring offenses (elite QBs) with moderate defenses. We might be able to stop moderate QBs with our D just enough to allow our offense to do something eventually. Not a single D in the league can stop an elite QB the entire game, only part of it. We'd have to have our offense on the field longer against elite teams and we can't do it. It's a no.
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
LOL
I love the fact that we are 3-1 but come on dont let the record hide the fact that when we have to play the top teams our O isnt very good we cant ignore that face the line is terrible. Colts, Ravens, Pats, Saints, Philly we cant contend with them yet with this god awful O

tell me something......do you think the Cards (besides Colts game)or Vikes can compete with those teams you just listed?

also its not like we have to beat all of those teams at the same time . in the playoffs its one game at a time....and some of those teams will take each other out before we play them, if we make the playoffs.

the best thing about our team that will help us in any game is that we can stop the run.
35-0 against the Rams. Its like the 80's
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Originally posted by krizay:
As i said before. Our personnel on offense is only good for 2 drives a game. Not going to cut it versus good teams. Only had 2 drives versus the sorry rams and even those drives were less than 50 yards.

you are absolutely correct. If we think we can count on defense and special teams to score our points every week, it wont be long before we get kicked in the nuts by a real team.
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Originally posted by a24hrdad:
Originally posted by BobS:
I am cautiously optimistic, we are 3-1 and :02 away from 4-0, but the offensive numbers being put up are pretty weak. Hill is averaging about 150 net yards passing and total offense is barely over 200 yards a game. That kind off output will get you killed against a good team. I mean we had what 228 yards of offense against the pathetic Rams? In spite of the great start this can easily end up a 7-9 or 8-8 team if the offense does not improve.

Anyone remember the lackluster Ravens offense that won a Superbowl? I'm not saying we will win the Superbowl this year, just saying you don't need a powerful offense. Just a smart offense.

"On offense, the Ravens' main strength was rushing, led by running backs Jamal Lewis (1,364 yards, 6 rushing touchdowns, 27 receptions, 296 yards) and Priest Holmes (588 yards, 32 receptions, 221 yards). Also, tight end Shannon Sharpe recorded 67 receptions for 810 yards and 5 touchdowns. The offensive line was anchored by tackle Jonathan Ogden, who was named to the Pro Bowl for the 4th consecutive season.

However, the Baltimore offense was mediocre, ranking only 13th in the league in scoring (333 points), 16th in total yards (5,301), and 23rd in passing yards (3,102). The team had a lot of trouble scoring, and at one point they went through five games without making an offensive touchdown (although they managed to win two of those games). But they managed to regroup, as head coach Brian Billick forbade anyone to use the "P-word" (presumably "postseason" or "playoffs") until the team actually played in it. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXV

While mediocre offenses with great defenses can win Super Bowls our offense would need to improve drastically to be mediocre, we are 28th in total yard average per game our defense is almost in the top five. Our offense doesn't move the ball any better then the Rattay, Dorsey, Smith years. It just doesn't turn the ball over. This team is at best a 9-7 division winner of the NFC worst. It needs more offensive weapons to be a legitimate play-off contender.
I don't think we can expect to compete with the top echelon teams until we have a balanced offense that is not as predictable. Our passing game has to scare some of these teams before they will quit loading up the box.

We are not a team that can come from behind in a big way. We have to control the tempo of the game.

Hey, I'm very happy with most of what has gone on, but our 0-line and passing game must improve for us to get much farther.
Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by a24hrdad:
Originally posted by BobS:
I am cautiously optimistic, we are 3-1 and :02 away from 4-0, but the offensive numbers being put up are pretty weak. Hill is averaging about 150 net yards passing and total offense is barely over 200 yards a game. That kind off output will get you killed against a good team. I mean we had what 228 yards of offense against the pathetic Rams? In spite of the great start this can easily end up a 7-9 or 8-8 team if the offense does not improve.

Anyone remember the lackluster Ravens offense that won a Superbowl? I'm not saying we will win the Superbowl this year, just saying you don't need a powerful offense. Just a smart offense.

"On offense, the Ravens' main strength was rushing, led by running backs Jamal Lewis (1,364 yards, 6 rushing touchdowns, 27 receptions, 296 yards) and Priest Holmes (588 yards, 32 receptions, 221 yards). Also, tight end Shannon Sharpe recorded 67 receptions for 810 yards and 5 touchdowns. The offensive line was anchored by tackle Jonathan Ogden, who was named to the Pro Bowl for the 4th consecutive season.

However, the Baltimore offense was mediocre, ranking only 13th in the league in scoring (333 points), 16th in total yards (5,301), and 23rd in passing yards (3,102). The team had a lot of trouble scoring, and at one point they went through five games without making an offensive touchdown (although they managed to win two of those games). But they managed to regroup, as head coach Brian Billick forbade anyone to use the "P-word" (presumably "postseason" or "playoffs") until the team actually played in it. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXV

While mediocre offenses with great defenses can win Super Bowls our offense would need to improve drastically to be mediocre, we are 28th in total yard average per game our defense is almost in the top five. Our offense doesn't move the ball any better then the Rattay, Dorsey, Smith years. It just doesn't turn the ball over. This team is at best a 9-7 division winner of the NFC worst. It needs more offensive weapons to be a legitimate play-off contender.

"at one point they went through five games without making an offensive touchdown" we are not that bad.
Nope don't feel that way. Maybe if our Offense starts performing in sync with the level the defense is playing then I will feel that way. But until then I will just root for the team and hope for a win
Originally posted by DaFaro49ers:
Guys, is it just me who has the feeling that If we faced any team in the League right now that'd we'd be able to compete and possibily win the game. We are well coached, with a stout Defense and an offense who so far does not turn the ball over. Bring on the Saints, the Giants, the Colts, the Eagles, the patriots, I honestly feel we can hang and beat anybody right now....! Am I CRAZY? or IS everybody with me!

Those are some pretty tough company you've mentioned there!
we have a really tough schedule ahead of us. we're playing some really good teams up until December when we see the hawks again. but our team will definitely be tested. i say we can come out by week 11 8-3 then i would say bring on any team...
The next month and a half should show us who we really are, I don't honestly see an 'easy' win on the schedule for the next several weeks. But I'm with you, playing like we did this last Sunday (particularly on defense) we'll give anyone a run for their money.
Watching the Viking tonight has given me even more faith that our defense can keep us in almost any game.
If the offensive line can get their s**t together, we have a chance. If they do not start to pass block better, we might get to see if Smith has taken this opportunity to improve his game.
Originally posted by DaFaro49ers:
Guys, is it just me who has the feeling that If we faced any team in the League right now that'd we'd be able to compete and possibily win the game. We are well coached, with a stout Defense and an offense who so far does not turn the ball over. Bring on the Saints, the Giants, the Colts, the Eagles, the patriots, I honestly feel we can hang and beat anybody right now....! Am I CRAZY? or IS everybody with me!

You're crazy.



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Originally posted by natrone06:
Watching the Viking tonight has given me even more faith that our defense can keep us in almost any game.

Our Defense is good if not really good- Singletary and Manusky really have them firing on all cylinders (Why on earth Nowin and Manusky couldn't get anything going in all the years he was here I will never know)

Our problem is Offense - 28th in total yardage is just not going to cut it - if we are going to be a defensive minded team we have to be able to control the ball run the clock out and play field position game - Our offense can do none of those things consistently - Shaun Hill can manage a game he can not win a game at least not yet - I don't think he will ever be able to do that - that being said I would LOVE to be wrong - Things that they have to be able to do over the next 5 weeks to keep at a high level:

1) Shaun Hill has got to do a better job at the line recognizing the blitz and where the presure is coming from and make adjustments - Raye and Singletary need to give him some options at the line I don't think he can at this point

2) The Offensive line has to play better if BAAS is hurt get him out - I don't know what they can do to fix it but they have to give Hill more time so he can develop some kind of pocket presence.

3) Vernon needs to keep doing what he has been doing - this is the one thing I am completely confident about - Singletary has him producing and it is frankly awesome. Brent Jones is one of my all time 49er favorite's (before the flame war starts I am not saying he is the greatest 49er he is just one of my favorite's from the glory days) it would be great to have Vernon stay here for a long time and surpass what Brent did - and by on par with Tony G.

The Falcons are a huge game - I am excited to see it. I don't think they will make the stupid mistakes the Lams made this week - we can not take a half off like we did this week but we can win this game - if the Offense steps up.

[ Edited by Sugatis on Oct 5, 2009 at 19:30:37 ]