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Shaun Hill = Trent Dilfer?

Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by SolRebe1:
Both aren't that mobile

He reminds me more of a slightly better version of Tim Rattay.

I'm having bad flashbacks. Nobody should ever be compared to Tim Ratty. Well, except maybe Steve Stenstrom.

Tim Rattay was the 2nd best productive QB we have had the past 5-6 years.
  • Lifer
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Hill (so far at least) definitely fits into that category of "game manager." He's not expected to be a star, or to take the team on his shoulders and carry them to victory. Rather, the formula for success is dominating defense plus ball control (power running) offense in which the QB is expected to do just enough to keep the chains moving. Dilfer, in his prime, was that type of guy. But Hill is probably more similar to another guy in that category; Brad Johnson. If you look at the stats for their Super Bowl years (Dilfer 1999, Johnson 2002), you'll see that Dilfer was asked to do much less than Johnson. He only threw the ball 244 times in 10 games. His completion percentage is close to Johnson's and Hill's, but his TD to Interception ratio is much worse. Dilfer is probably one of the worst QBs in history to lead his team to a Super Bowl victory. Hill is better than Dilfer IMO and closer, statistically, to Brad Johnson.

Hill's projected stats for 2009 land somewhere between Dilfer 1999 and Johnson 2002. Unfortunately, it's impossible to post tables on this forum, but if you can read this, the numbers are interesting:

Player G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate
T. Dilfer (1999) 10 10 146 244 59.8 1,619 6.6 11 11 26 189 75.8
B. Johnson (2002) 13 13 281 451 62.3 3,049 6.8 22 6 21 121 92.9
S. Hill (2009) 3 3 52 82 63.4 548 6.7 3 1 9 55 89.9

Hill (projected) 15 15 260 410 63.4 2740 6.9 15 5 45 275 89.9

[ Edited by Lifer on Oct 3, 2009 at 09:51:53 ]
Shaun Hill = Trent Dilfer

Alex Smith = David Carr
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Less talented than Dilfer.

seriously, wtf are you still doing on these forums, f**k off already and go be a Chargers fan, damn forum troll.
It is really too soon in Hills career to make comparisons, you could argue that Hill isn't as good as Dilfer because Dilfer was good enough to win a starting job before he was 8 years into his career. The truth is they are both average QB's relying on a good D to keep the pressure down on them to make plays.
I can't believe people compare Shaun Hill to Trent Dilfer! lol

THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE! DILFER WAS A 1ST ROUND PICK!!!

[ Edited by WheresWaldo on Oct 3, 2009 at 10:41:42 ]
I'm relating us more to the Titans last year. Strong run defense, our defense has been turning the opponent over. We have a QB that can make a play (when asked) and doesn't turn the ball over often, but the majority of our offense is a ball control/ time control running game. Sounds a lot like the Titans blue print from last year to me.

09 Shuan Hill= 08 Kerry Collins

[ Edited by global_nomad on Oct 3, 2009 at 10:46:18 ]
Rattay is the most talented 9er QB since Garcia. He just played for one of the worst teams in NFL history. I would say Rattay>Hill>Smith>Dilfer(as a 9er)>JTO>the rest of the circus(Weinke, Carmazzi sp?, Pickett, Dorsey, Stenstrom) The Circus guys are just about equally terrible.
Dilfer has more zip on his ball, but he has more of a tendency to turn the ball over. Hill is more careful with the ball and doesn't take as many chances
Originally posted by wolfpack52:
Rattay is the most talented 9er QB since Garcia. He just played for one of the worst teams in NFL history. I would say Rattay>Hill>Smith>Dilfer(as a 9er)>JTO>the rest of the circus(Weinke, Carmazzi sp?, Pickett, Dorsey, Stenstrom) The Circus guys are just about equally terrible.

Rattay had a pretty good arm, i'll give him that, but he was JTO-ish

And I really do believe that out of all our QB's JTO has had the best arm, the guy made some great throws, but we saw what happened when he failed at making a throw.
Dilfer had a better arm but I see the comparison in terms of not a classic Super Bowl winning QB. Let's see when the season's done.
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by B650:
I think Hill is better than Dilfer, but I see the similarities. If only we had the Ravens defense that year.

LOL there' a lot of links/comparisons. Back then the AFC North was a garbage can (just like our con-current NFC West), and Baltimore's (2000) schedule was very winnable, facing only 2 teams that were definite losses against the Dolphins and Titans (just like the Colts and Eagles appear on our schedule).

Our defense won't be as intense as the 2000 Ravens , but I'm almost for certain we'll finish within the top 10 and get into the playoffs.

I whish I shared your optimism. We will get to see all of Hills deficiencies if he take Coach Mike's advise and "opens it up"

Yeah, just like we saw all those deficiencies last year in a pass-happy offense, right?
Originally posted by TDTomAndo:
I see the comparison in terms of not a classic Super Bowl winning QB. Let's see when the season's done.

That's where the comparisons end, in my opinion.
It's not such a bad comparison. Neither QB was/is particularly good in a classic QB sense, but both were/are good game managers. However, I think Dilfer's main role with the Ravens was not to screw it up and allow their defense to take over the game. Hill, on the other hand, is actually going to have to go out and win some games for the 9ers. Ultimately, I would say Dilfer probably had the better measurables, but Hill is the better gamer - I'd take Hill over Dilfer every time.
Let's not forget, that Dilfer has a name that you can make up so many nicknames after

Dilweed
Dildo
Dildumb

etc