Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by kem99:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by dman:
I just can't see Shaun Hill winning any Super Bowls.
maybe, but did anyone see Dilfer of all people winning one, and Hill is 100 times better IMO than Dilfer. So anythings possible.
The Dilfer example gets thrown around a lot as the ultimate example of the "manage the game" QB that won a SB. Unfortunately, a couple of things are usually forgotten: (1) Yes, Dilfer won a SB but he had a historically good defense behind him. I believe they set a record for fewest points allowed and throughout that year and then after the SB, there were discussions and comparisons made to the '85 Bears defense as to which defense was better. The 49er defense has certainly improved but it would be disingenuous to expect it to be in the same discussion as the Ravens SB defense; and (2) okay, Dilfer won his SB but he never got close prior to that year or after that year. In fact, over the last decade or so the teams that had "manage the game" type QBs that have gotten to or won a SB have tended not to have extended success. For example, the Ravens never got back to a SB despite having a top defense and top RB even after trying to upgrade their QB position. The Bucs won one year with Brad Johnson and a very good defense but never got close again. In the meantime, teams that have had recent extended success regardless of whether they have won a SB or not (Pats, Steelers, Colts, Giants, Eagles) have all had franchise type QBs.
So, its fine to point to Dilfer or Brad Johnson and say Hill can do what they did. Just remember what history shows the limitations are if you believe in the "manage the game" QB. With that said, Hill is the best they have and this is the best type of offense to suit his strengths but its likely that Singletary and/or the 49ers front office understand his limitations long term as well, which is why they wooed Warner and may look to draft a franchise type QB in the 2010 draft.
whoa whoa. the ravens have had sustained success just like the eagle and the colts, they are constantly in the playoff hunt and SB contenders. then big ben is not an elite QB, he is a very good QB and in his 1st SB he did exactly what hill is doing now.
and the ravens had a better string of success than the giants have had.
Okay...I can give you the Ravens as an exception although since their SB win their season records have actually been up and down: 10-6 (2001), 7-9 (2002), 10-6 (2003), 9-7 (2004), 6-10 (2005), 13-3 (2006), 5-11 (2007), 11-5 (2008)...so until last year when they apparently found their franchise QB, that's 4 winning seasons, 3 losing seasons, a 60-52 record, 1 HC fired, and never getting past the divisional round.
As for Big Ben, he's a franchise QB...he has 2 SB's, won last year's on a 2 minute drill drive at the end, the Steelers rely on him more and more to make plays when everything breaks down...he wasn't elite in winning the first SB, he is now.