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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
This is going to be an epic fail for the front office.....I feel like the niners are the new Bengals.....pay him the damn money and let's ball....we've been waiting for a true #1 since Owens left.....these guys don't grow on trees.

And please stop comparing him to Owens...because it's not even close. He's a good kid getting bad advice...it has nothing to do with his attitude.

You clearly dont know what your talking about.

You get pushed around by one 1st round rookie, you will get pushed around by all of them.

Can you support your baseless claim ?


Has a team ever paid anyone higher then what they were slotted for ?

Cleveland and Brady Quinn.


QBs are the exception.

Darelle Revis.

His base contract was in line with his slot. All he got extra was playing incentive money. Crabdouche wants GUARANTEED MONEY

That's hearsay. No one really knows for sure if he would take a deal with extra playing incentives.

Nonetheless Revis and co. were able to negotiate a better contract overall that the previous and following years slotted players did and the Jets haven't had issues signing other 1st rounders.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Blitz:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by jame-gumb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Seems most teams decided to fill needs as opposed to selecting the BPA. Outside of the Jets no team traded up into the top 10, as again it is costly especially when factoring in what one has to also pay the draft pick as well.

Or they didn't think he was the bpa. The point is that the only evidence to support the fact that Crabtree was a top-3 talent was that analysts said he was.

My point: I don't care what he thinks he's worth. He's been offered a fair deal. He's holding out for more money that he won't get. What he's doing is f**king stupid. Period.

I bet there are teams out there who if they had taken him at 10 would be willing to pay him, unlike us. Why ? Probably because players with ceilings as high as his being taken at 10 don't come around or happen often if hardly ever.

And FWIW some of those analysts are former players and or NFL execs and know talent when they see it.

The league is full of history of draftee's with ceilings higher than what has come before falling right on their ass and not amounting to anything.

Those draftee's however rarely ever fall like Crabtree did.

Normally when you get a player like that you want to get him signed. Does it really seem like the 49ers really want to get Crabtree signed with their stance ?

Better question>>> "does it really seem like Craptree wants to play for the 9ers with his stance?"
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Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
Originally posted by Blitz:
Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
This is going to be an epic fail for the front office.....I feel like the niners are the new Bengals.....pay him the damn money and let's ball....we've been waiting for a true #1 since Owens left.....these guys don't grow on trees.

And please stop comparing him to Owens...because it's not even close. He's a good kid getting bad advice...it has nothing to do with his attitude.

Epic fail in your post: Crabtree isn't a true #1. He's not even a two or three or worthy of the PS yet. In fact, he's at the bottom of the pile looking up. He's an unproven rookie who you could give the whole enchilada to and it still wouldn't make him anything different than a roll of the dice on the franchise's part. That's why he gets paid for his draft slot, and not a damn thing more.

I'm going to laugh my ass off at the people here who are hanging on Craptree's nutsack if the little s**t turns out to be the next JJ Stokes, because it's entirely, equally, possible he could as much as not turn out that way, no matter what the franchise does or doesn't do, no matter how much people want otherwise.

I understand your upset...but if you take the emotions out of it and look at this thing rationally...I think you would see that a lot of draft experts had him as one of the top three players in the draft. I realize the draft is a crapshoot and players you think are going to be great sometimes end up not even being starters..... but from what I've seen from this kid he's a stud.....and I would hate to miss out on him(IMO a sure thing) because we don't want to pay a few more million......sounds like the Yorks of old.

You mean sounds like what these same posters who don't want to pay Crabtree more than his slotted money use to rag on the Yorks for.

There is a lot of contradictory statements being made by some of these posters, the same who will do a 180 if he ever signs and performs up to his potential.
Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
Originally posted by Blitz:
Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
This is going to be an epic fail for the front office.....I feel like the niners are the new Bengals.....pay him the damn money and let's ball....we've been waiting for a true #1 since Owens left.....these guys don't grow on trees.

And please stop comparing him to Owens...because it's not even close. He's a good kid getting bad advice...it has nothing to do with his attitude.

Epic fail in your post: Crabtree isn't a true #1. He's not even a two or three or worthy of the PS yet. In fact, he's at the bottom of the pile looking up. He's an unproven rookie who you could give the whole enchilada to and it still wouldn't make him anything different than a roll of the dice on the franchise's part. That's why he gets paid for his draft slot, and not a damn thing more.

I'm going to laugh my ass off at the people here who are hanging on Craptree's nutsack if the little s**t turns out to be the next JJ Stokes, because it's entirely, equally, possible he could as much as not turn out that way, no matter what the franchise does or doesn't do, no matter how much people want otherwise.

I understand your upset...but if you take the emotions out of it and look at this thing rationally...I think you would see that a lot of draft experts had him as one of the top three players in the draft. I realize the draft is a crapshoot and players you think are going to be great sometimes end up not even being starters..... but from what I've seen from this kid he's a stud.....and I would hate to miss out on him(IMO a sure thing) because we don't want to pay a few more million......sounds like the Yorks of old.

Rashaun Woods was also a stud (not rated as high as Crabtree, I know) with an "off-putting" personality. Something to think about...
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Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Blitz:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by jame-gumb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Seems most teams decided to fill needs as opposed to selecting the BPA. Outside of the Jets no team traded up into the top 10, as again it is costly especially when factoring in what one has to also pay the draft pick as well.

Or they didn't think he was the bpa. The point is that the only evidence to support the fact that Crabtree was a top-3 talent was that analysts said he was.

My point: I don't care what he thinks he's worth. He's been offered a fair deal. He's holding out for more money that he won't get. What he's doing is f**king stupid. Period.

I bet there are teams out there who if they had taken him at 10 would be willing to pay him, unlike us. Why ? Probably because players with ceilings as high as his being taken at 10 don't come around or happen often if hardly ever.

And FWIW some of those analysts are former players and or NFL execs and know talent when they see it.

The league is full of history of draftee's with ceilings higher than what has come before falling right on their ass and not amounting to anything.

Those draftee's however rarely ever fall like Crabtree did.

Normally when you get a player like that you want to get him signed. Does it really seem like the 49ers really want to get Crabtree signed with their stance ?

Better question>>> "does it really seem like Craptree wants to play for the 9ers with his stance?"

His being in the bay area could be a telling sign that maybe he does.

Now why doesn't some answer mine...

Does it really seem like the 49ers really want to get Crabtree signed with their stance ?
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Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
Originally posted by Blitz:
Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
This is going to be an epic fail for the front office.....I feel like the niners are the new Bengals.....pay him the damn money and let's ball....we've been waiting for a true #1 since Owens left.....these guys don't grow on trees.

And please stop comparing him to Owens...because it's not even close. He's a good kid getting bad advice...it has nothing to do with his attitude.

Epic fail in your post: Crabtree isn't a true #1. He's not even a two or three or worthy of the PS yet. In fact, he's at the bottom of the pile looking up. He's an unproven rookie who you could give the whole enchilada to and it still wouldn't make him anything different than a roll of the dice on the franchise's part. That's why he gets paid for his draft slot, and not a damn thing more.

I'm going to laugh my ass off at the people here who are hanging on Craptree's nutsack if the little s**t turns out to be the next JJ Stokes, because it's entirely, equally, possible he could as much as not turn out that way, no matter what the franchise does or doesn't do, no matter how much people want otherwise.

I understand your upset...but if you take the emotions out of it and look at this thing rationally...I think you would see that a lot of draft experts had him as one of the top three players in the draft. I realize the draft is a crapshoot and players you think are going to be great sometimes end up not even being starters..... but from what I've seen from this kid he's a stud.....and I would hate to miss out on him(IMO a sure thing) because we don't want to pay a few more million......sounds like the Yorks of old.

Rashaun Woods was also a stud (not rated as high as Crabtree, I know) with an "off-putting" personality. Something to think about...

And if we pay MC more than slotted money and he busts it will hurt. If he busts we still would have invested a lot of money in him.

If we don't pay him and trade him or lose him to next year's draft and he turns out to be as advertised it will hurt more.
Just a reminder....the 9ers have 2 first round picks in 2010 draft they will have to negotiate with and sign. Therfore, they Cannot cave in to Craptree outrages demands as that will clearly set a bad stage for our 2010 1st round negotiations.

9er are being MORE than fair and should not get strongarmed by Craptree.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Blitz:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by jame-gumb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Seems most teams decided to fill needs as opposed to selecting the BPA. Outside of the Jets no team traded up into the top 10, as again it is costly especially when factoring in what one has to also pay the draft pick as well.

Or they didn't think he was the bpa. The point is that the only evidence to support the fact that Crabtree was a top-3 talent was that analysts said he was.

My point: I don't care what he thinks he's worth. He's been offered a fair deal. He's holding out for more money that he won't get. What he's doing is f**king stupid. Period.

I bet there are teams out there who if they had taken him at 10 would be willing to pay him, unlike us. Why ? Probably because players with ceilings as high as his being taken at 10 don't come around or happen often if hardly ever.

And FWIW some of those analysts are former players and or NFL execs and know talent when they see it.

The league is full of history of draftee's with ceilings higher than what has come before falling right on their ass and not amounting to anything.

Those draftee's however rarely ever fall like Crabtree did.

Normally when you get a player like that you want to get him signed. Does it really seem like the 49ers really want to get Crabtree signed with their stance ?

Better question>>> "does it really seem like Craptree wants to play for the 9ers with his stance?"

His being in the bay area could be a telling sign that maybe he does.

Now why doesn't some answer mine...

Does it really seem like the 49ers really want to get Crabtree signed with their stance ?

Yet another aspect of this whole thing that doesn't make any damn sense. Maybe the front office is too concerned with their image.
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by jame-gumb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by jame-gumb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Seems most teams decided to fill needs as opposed to selecting the BPA. Outside of the Jets no team traded up into the top 10, as again it is costly especially when factoring in what one has to also pay the draft pick as well.

Or they didn't think he was the bpa. The point is that the only evidence to support the fact that Crabtree was a top-3 talent was that analysts said he was.

My point: I don't care what he thinks he's worth. He's been offered a fair deal. He's holding out for more money that he won't get. What he's doing is f**king stupid. Period.

I bet there are teams out there who if they had taken him at 10 would be willing to pay him, unlike us. Why ? Probably because players with ceilings as high as his being taken at 10 don't come around or happen often if hardly ever.

And FWIW some of those analysts are former players and or NFL execs and know talent when they see it.

I'm sure there are. SF isn't one of them and they shouldn't budge now. If they were going to pay him what he wanted, they would have done it by now. Crabtree's camp threatening to sit out the year exacerbated this whole thing.

My only point has always been that what Crabtree is doing is stupid. He's basically telling SF that he'll hang himself and SF said, "Here's some rope."

Crabtree's camp didn't say this his cousin did. His cousin is not his camp.

His agent did not stand by that claim.

If his cousin is speaking to the media on behalf of Crabtree, he's in his camp. If he wasn't, Crabtree should have come out and said it wasn't true.

Of course his agent didn't. Parker is trying to distance himself from this as much as possible, and for good reason.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Blitz:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by jame-gumb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Seems most teams decided to fill needs as opposed to selecting the BPA. Outside of the Jets no team traded up into the top 10, as again it is costly especially when factoring in what one has to also pay the draft pick as well.

Or they didn't think he was the bpa. The point is that the only evidence to support the fact that Crabtree was a top-3 talent was that analysts said he was.

My point: I don't care what he thinks he's worth. He's been offered a fair deal. He's holding out for more money that he won't get. What he's doing is f**king stupid. Period.

I bet there are teams out there who if they had taken him at 10 would be willing to pay him, unlike us. Why ? Probably because players with ceilings as high as his being taken at 10 don't come around or happen often if hardly ever.

And FWIW some of those analysts are former players and or NFL execs and know talent when they see it.

The league is full of history of draftee's with ceilings higher than what has come before falling right on their ass and not amounting to anything.

Those draftee's however rarely ever fall like Crabtree did.

Normally when you get a player like that you want to get him signed. Does it really seem like the 49ers really want to get Crabtree signed with their stance ?

Better question>>> "does it really seem like Craptree wants to play for the 9ers with his stance?"

His being in the bay area could be a telling sign that maybe he does.

Now why doesn't some answer mine...

Does it really seem like the 49ers really want to get Crabtree signed with their stance ?

Read reply 2208 above.
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Originally posted by BigMar:
Just a reminder....the 9ers have 2 first round picks in 2010 draft they will have to negotiate with and sign. Therfore, they Cannot cave in to Craptree outrages demands as that will clearly set a bad stage for our 2010 1st round negotiations.

9er are being MORE than fair and should not get strongarmed by Craptree.

No one knows for sure if paying Crabtree will have a negative effect on next years picks or not. Will never know until next year.

Stop speculating when you have no basis for your claim.
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
There is a lot of contradictory statements being made by some of these posters, the same who will do a 180 if he ever signs and performs up to his potential.

I know you're not talking about me, but I felt the need to comment anyway.

I won't do a 180 on Crabtree if he signs. My stance is that he's a good player who's making a dumbass negotiating blunder with his contract. If he signs, then he's just a good player who wised up.
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Blitz:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by jame-gumb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Seems most teams decided to fill needs as opposed to selecting the BPA. Outside of the Jets no team traded up into the top 10, as again it is costly especially when factoring in what one has to also pay the draft pick as well.

Or they didn't think he was the bpa. The point is that the only evidence to support the fact that Crabtree was a top-3 talent was that analysts said he was.

My point: I don't care what he thinks he's worth. He's been offered a fair deal. He's holding out for more money that he won't get. What he's doing is f**king stupid. Period.

I bet there are teams out there who if they had taken him at 10 would be willing to pay him, unlike us. Why ? Probably because players with ceilings as high as his being taken at 10 don't come around or happen often if hardly ever.

And FWIW some of those analysts are former players and or NFL execs and know talent when they see it.

The league is full of history of draftee's with ceilings higher than what has come before falling right on their ass and not amounting to anything.

Those draftee's however rarely ever fall like Crabtree did.

Normally when you get a player like that you want to get him signed. Does it really seem like the 49ers really want to get Crabtree signed with their stance ?

Look here's the deal. The guy is unproven, he could be the second coming of Jerry Rice, but he damn sure isn't until he proves otherwise, which is far from an easy thing to do (making the jump from being a top talent in the collegiate's to being one in the NFL). If this was an easy correlation, there wouldn't be much issue to this s**t, people wouldn't fall or rise in the draft at all..they would be slotted and it would pan out the way it was slotted and everything would be nice and tidy. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, TOP TALENTS IN THE COLLEGIATE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT DON'T PAN OUT AS A TOP NFL TALENT NO MATTER WHICH SLOT THEY ARE DRAFTED AT, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY HAVE FALLEN OR RISEN. IT'S A CRAP SHOOT THAT THEY WILL TRANSLATE INTO A TOP NFL TALENT.

You can't fault the organization for adhering to good business sense. They are investing in a top collegiate talent that is unproven in a league with a history full of top collegiate talents who have fallen and/or risen in the draft and have not translated into top NFL talents.


The fact is this: It's the NFL, it's an entirely different animal than the collegiates....you gotta prove yourself against the best now, every week. If you do, you get rewarded with a big contract, if you don't, your sent packing in one way or another, and you take a big cut along the way.
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Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Blitz:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by jame-gumb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Seems most teams decided to fill needs as opposed to selecting the BPA. Outside of the Jets no team traded up into the top 10, as again it is costly especially when factoring in what one has to also pay the draft pick as well.

Or they didn't think he was the bpa. The point is that the only evidence to support the fact that Crabtree was a top-3 talent was that analysts said he was.

My point: I don't care what he thinks he's worth. He's been offered a fair deal. He's holding out for more money that he won't get. What he's doing is f**king stupid. Period.

I bet there are teams out there who if they had taken him at 10 would be willing to pay him, unlike us. Why ? Probably because players with ceilings as high as his being taken at 10 don't come around or happen often if hardly ever.

And FWIW some of those analysts are former players and or NFL execs and know talent when they see it.

The league is full of history of draftee's with ceilings higher than what has come before falling right on their ass and not amounting to anything.

Those draftee's however rarely ever fall like Crabtree did.

Normally when you get a player like that you want to get him signed. Does it really seem like the 49ers really want to get Crabtree signed with their stance ?

Better question>>> "does it really seem like Craptree wants to play for the 9ers with his stance?"

His being in the bay area could be a telling sign that maybe he does.

Now why doesn't some answer mine...

Does it really seem like the 49ers really want to get Crabtree signed with their stance ?

Yet another aspect of this whole thing that doesn't make any damn sense. Maybe the front office is too concerned with their image.

Very possible. Personally I don't care what they pay him as long as he signs but if we are going to have to pay more than start negotiating and stop having a freaking staring contest to see who will blink first.
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Originally posted by jame-gumb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by jame-gumb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by jame-gumb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Seems most teams decided to fill needs as opposed to selecting the BPA. Outside of the Jets no team traded up into the top 10, as again it is costly especially when factoring in what one has to also pay the draft pick as well.

Or they didn't think he was the bpa. The point is that the only evidence to support the fact that Crabtree was a top-3 talent was that analysts said he was.

My point: I don't care what he thinks he's worth. He's been offered a fair deal. He's holding out for more money that he won't get. What he's doing is f**king stupid. Period.

I bet there are teams out there who if they had taken him at 10 would be willing to pay him, unlike us. Why ? Probably because players with ceilings as high as his being taken at 10 don't come around or happen often if hardly ever.

And FWIW some of those analysts are former players and or NFL execs and know talent when they see it.

I'm sure there are. SF isn't one of them and they shouldn't budge now. If they were going to pay him what he wanted, they would have done it by now. Crabtree's camp threatening to sit out the year exacerbated this whole thing.

My only point has always been that what Crabtree is doing is stupid. He's basically telling SF that he'll hang himself and SF said, "Here's some rope."

Crabtree's camp didn't say this his cousin did. His cousin is not his camp.

His agent did not stand by that claim.

If his cousin is speaking to the media on behalf of Crabtree, he's in his camp. If he wasn't, Crabtree should have come out and said it wasn't true.

Of course his agent didn't. Parker is trying to distance himself from this as much as possible, and for good reason.

You and I are talking right now.....I can speak on your behalf but that doesn't mean I'm in your camp.