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Is this the begining of the end for Alex?

Terribly enough, he looked no better than he did a couple years ago. No excuses for him. Huard and Hill both looked better so NO MORE EXCUSES. he should be nothing more than a #3 on this roster. So yes, THE END.

All that aside, GO niners.
Originally posted by irief:
Originally posted by 5280High:
Beginning of the end... really?

This is the best situation possible for Smith. He can sit back and learn the entire offense without having any pressure on him since he is no longer being paid starter money. At Utah he was awesome his senior year because he had total mastery of the offense after studying it for 2 years. The only way he will fix his problem of holding on to the ball for too long is if he can sit back and learn without being thrust into a position he isnt comfortable with.

If anything Hill starting more likely saves Smith's career rather than ends it. If he cant supplant Hill over the next two years, he is a capable back up for this type of offense and would probably reunite with Turner somewhere down the line. I mean even frikkin JTO is a backup.

Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco proved that you don't need 10 years on the bench to gain pocket presence and show leadership qualities. It's time for the niners to move on and start looking elseware for our QB of the future. The more the niners linger on with hopes Alex becoming something that he isn't the longer this franchise will remain mired in mediocrity.

A good QB is the difference between mediocrity and playoff caliber team. Just look at most teams that have had a big turn around from a bad season to a playoff season. The biggest difference has been QB play. See Falcons and Dolphins.

Except.... Matt Rayan and Joe Facco would have faired no better and lost their confidence playing on those horrible 2005-2006-2007 9ers teams too.
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Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by irief:
Originally posted by 5280High:
Beginning of the end... really?

This is the best situation possible for Smith. He can sit back and learn the entire offense without having any pressure on him since he is no longer being paid starter money. At Utah he was awesome his senior year because he had total mastery of the offense after studying it for 2 years. The only way he will fix his problem of holding on to the ball for too long is if he can sit back and learn without being thrust into a position he isnt comfortable with.

If anything Hill starting more likely saves Smith's career rather than ends it. If he cant supplant Hill over the next two years, he is a capable back up for this type of offense and would probably reunite with Turner somewhere down the line. I mean even frikkin JTO is a backup.

Granted, they had more talent around them, but even when Alex has had time to throw and people that are wide open, he still doesn't get it done.

Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco proved that you don't need 10 years on the bench to gain pocket presence and show leadership qualities. It's time for the niners to move on and start looking elseware for our QB of the future. The more the niners linger on with hopes Alex becoming something that he isn't the longer this franchise will remain mired in mediocrity.

A good QB is the difference between mediocrity and playoff caliber team. Just look at most teams that have had a big turn around from a bad season to a playoff season. The biggest difference has been QB play. See Falcons and Dolphins.

Except.... Matt Rayan and Joe Facco would have faired no better and lost their confidence playing on those horrible 2005-2006-2007 9ers teams too.
He's not getting paid starters money anymore. He can sit for a year or two, work on a quicker release, and still be only 27 rears old. So no, this is not necessarily the end for Alex.
Even if Hill does win the job u know if he has a reallly bad game he will be benched and smith will get his chance.... Im not to worried, we have 2 capable qbs...
[ Edited by 49ersMan420 on Aug 21, 2009 at 10:07 AM ]
Again, the black and white filters permeate these posts!

It is not like that at all whether we like it or not. The fact is that Alex had two back to back surgeries in 2007 and 2008. His development has been skewed if not completely stifled from a physical and mental point of view. Both injury and two new offensive systems are hard to deal with, let alone be successful in it.

This year, he finally is healthy with another offensive scheme to learn. What floors me is that most here don't acknowledge the other side of the coin. What part of "Alex is competing with Hill for the starting position" don't you guys get? Since he's in the competition still, his play during OTAs, Minis, and TC have warranted it even after his surgery and new scheme.

That fact alone should make you look at the other side of the coin that Hill didn't have enough during the same time frame to completely separate himself from Smith for the job. It has taken this long for it and he's still not named the starter.

That is good news for Smith's development and Hill's stamp as the starter...both win win for the team.

That, my friends, should be the position that everyone should have. We have two good QBs that can take the reigns. Hill is not the answer for the future. Is Smith's development enough to say no to next year's crop of quality QBs from the draft?

Only time will tell. For now, IMO, this is Hill's team to start the season.

Good job Hill!!!
Originally posted by 9erlover:
He's not getting paid starters money anymore. He can sit for a year or two, work on a quicker release, and still be only 27 rears old. So no, this is not necessarily the end for Alex.

No he's not being paid like a starter but he is being paid to be our 2nd QB (to win games in a pinch - which Huard can do better and cheaper) and he's not even good enough for that. I'm not being cold I'm being real. Huard makes more sense at 2nd QB and Davis should be the over to develope as the number 3.

Smith would not unseat any other QB in the league, 1st or 2nd string... He's getting dusted by a 6 year non starter who's main playing time before he was with the 9ers was a kneel down. C'mon!?!?

Alex needs to be released after the 3rd preseason game. Regardless of the past he is damaged goods and the kinds of problems that Alex has cannot be fixed by throwing money and hope at him...

Dirty
Originally posted by ninertico:
Again, the black and white filters permeate these posts!

It is not like that at all whether we like it or not. The fact is that Alex had two back to back surgeries in 2007 and 2008. His development has been skewed if not completely stifled from a physical and mental point of view. Both injury and two new offensive systems are hard to deal with, let alone be successful in it.

This year, he finally is healthy with another offensive scheme to learn. What floors me is that most here don't acknowledge the other side of the coin. What part of "Alex is competing with Hill for the starting position" don't you guys get? Since he's in the competition still, his play during OTAs, Minis, and TC have warranted it even after his surgery and new scheme.

That fact alone should make you look at the other side of the coin that Hill didn't have enough during the same time frame to completely separate himself from Smith for the job. It has taken this long for it and he's still not named the starter.

That is good news for Smith's development and Hill's stamp as the starter...both win win for the team.

That, my friends, should be the position that everyone should have. We have two good QBs that can take the reigns. Hill is not the answer for the future. Is Smith's development enough to say no to next year's crop of quality QBs from the draft?

Only time will tell. For now, IMO, this is Hill's team to start the season.

Good job Hill!!!

another excuse for Alex !
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Originally posted by ninertico:
Again, the black and white filters permeate these posts!

It is not like that at all whether we like it or not. The fact is that Alex had two back to back surgeries in 2007 and 2008. His development has been skewed if not completely stifled from a physical and mental point of view. Both injury and two new offensive systems are hard to deal with, let alone be successful in it.

This year, he finally is healthy with another offensive scheme to learn. What floors me is that most here don't acknowledge the other side of the coin. What part of "Alex is competing with Hill for the starting position" don't you guys get? Since he's in the competition still, his play during OTAs, Minis, and TC have warranted it even after his surgery and new scheme.

That fact alone should make you look at the other side of the coin that Hill didn't have enough during the same time frame to completely separate himself from Smith for the job. It has taken this long for it and he's still not named the starter.

That is good news for Smith's development and Hill's stamp as the starter...both win win for the team.

That, my friends, should be the position that everyone should have. We have two good QBs that can take the reigns. Hill is not the answer for the future. Is Smith's development enough to say no to next year's crop of quality QBs from the draft?

Only time will tell. For now, IMO, this is Hill's team to start the season.

Good job Hill!!!

Well said.
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