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What we have learned so far...

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
I watched most of the game, and was impressed with the DB's, they looked overall, a million times better than last year, Nate, Bly both looked great, i think Bly will only make Nate better than he already is.

I liked this Britt Miller, looks good coming from being a LB in college to FB now, and looks like he could be the backup FB now that Keasey is done for the season most likely.

Overall, it was a good showing for the team as a whole, we need more pass rush, cause the only guy getting any is/was Justin Smith, and he was worth the 40m we gave him, and of course had Haralson and Willis played we would(imo) saw better pass rush.

I agree with you with an extra heavy emphasis on the lack of a pass rush and we were missing Willis, Brown, and Gore. When I factor in those players missing and this being the first pre-season game ------ It's the lack of pass rush that I am tired of. Harelson saw very limited time.
[ Edited by 49ERwhiner on Aug 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM ]
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  • diehard68
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I agree you can't read to much into just the forst pre-season game but it's already apparent that some of the same problems that have plagued us for years are still there. Defense had three picks in the first half- two on bad throws and one on a pass that shouldn't have been thrown. But the defense still can't seem to get themselves off the field. Denver managed to move the ball well against us with varied ball-control offense of short sideline passes and some paly action. I'm not letting a couple of picks from bad throws blind me to that.

Liked the Coffee kid. Was actually disappointed they drafted him because I thought they should have gone after an O-lineman but he stepped up. I see a lot of Ricky Waters in him... explosive off the ball, reads the holes & blocks well and when he gets hit he drives the defender back. Good power for his size. I'd like to see what he can do coming out of the backfield on pass patterns more.
It's only the first preseason game which means it's like all other previous preseason games with the good, bad and terrible. Two things stand out to me. Glen Coffee looks like a starter. And the secondary seems deeper with talent, but that might just be the Broncos WRs suck ass.
It wasn't perfect, but I like some of things I seen . As long as team shows improvement thru the preseason.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
It's only the first preseason game which means it's like all other previous preseason games with the good, bad and terrible. Two things stand out to me. Glen Coffee looks like a starter. And the secondary seems deeper with talent, but that might just be the Broncos WRs suck ass.

Eddie Royal had more catches and yards than anyone in our receiving corps last year.
I love how people say you can't judge a team when sitting out there starters.

Ha, in fact in the NFL History I don't think any team has ever fielded ALL of their on paper starters due to injury.

That is the zones #1 problem in the optimism dept. You guys always judge this team pre season and how they will do assuming no injuries to key guys which is quite impossible anyways.

To judge a team you need to assume key injuries are going to happen. Example, I posted last Sept. that the Pats were good for 10 wins without Brady, I was laughed off the board of course.

To answer the post. No nothing is different. We made no critical changes. We are still a 7-9 team.
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jumping off the bandwagon...
Of course not - we did NOTHING to address the same issues we've had for the past 6 years. In fact, we gathered...say it with me...ZERO starters from the draft. That's not a good sign for a 7-9 team.
Yes it was just the first preseaon game and there is obviously a lot of work left to do but what I was looking for was that killer instinct I had been hearing about and saw none of it. On a positive note, VD looked like he is comfortable being the go to guy.

Did anyone else think it was a bit unfair for Simms to still be playing the entire second half?
Yesterday looked a lot like last season, but I will wait to hold final judgment because its ONLY THE FIRST preseason game. Here are MY observations.


Hill is clearly the starter

Alex still sucks

Oline does not look much different, Snyder is a back up. Marvel Smith will be the starter soon.

Coffee is a good back, a lot better then I thought would be. Sheets also looked good hopefully he can make the roster.

Morgan should be the best WR on the team. Spurlock looked good last night, might be the end of the road for Battle.

Keasey is terrible, and injury prone. I like Britt Miller, he looks like a keeper.

Pass Rush is just like Sing says "non existent".

Manny Lawson cannot effectively rush the passer, the dude just dont have the strength he gets blocked way to easily.

Reggie Smith might actually have some talent.
Originally posted by susweel:
Yesterday looked a lot like last season, but I will wait to hold final judgment because its ONLY THE FIRST preseason game. Here are MY observations.


Hill is clearly the starter

Alex still sucks


Oline does not look much different, Snyder is a back up. Marvel Smith will be the starter soon.

Coffee is a good back, a lot better then I thought would be. Sheets also looked good hopefully he can make the roster.

Morgan should be the best WR on the team. Spurlock looked good last night, might be the end of the road for Battle.

Keasey is terrible, and injury prone. I like Britt Miller, he looks like a keeper.

Pass Rush is just like Sing says "non existent".

Manny Lawson cannot effectively rush the passer, the dude just dont have the strength he gets blocked way to easily.

Reggie Smith might actually have some talent.

Please explain to me how after the limited plays between the two QB's you think you know better than the coaches and experts who the starter should be. From what the coaches said,as well as all of the beat writers, neither QB did anything to separate themselves from the other. I agree with the rest of what you posted except the Manny thing, his technique needs work,but that is something he can be coached. Of course being stronger wouldn't hurt though.
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Here is what I have learned.
1-We are a better team than a year ago, for the simple reason that our best offensive player and best defensive player was not on the field. Say what you will but we are not just talking about OUR best two players on both sides of the ball, we are talking about TWO of the BEST PLAYERS at THEIR POSITIONS IN THE ENTIRE NFL which also happen to be probably the two most important positions on the field (exception QB vs. RB) but none the less close. WIth them on the field, there is no question the game looks and feels different. (add 7-10 points extra for us) Not to mention we haven't even seen Crabtree.

2-Shawn Hill and Alex Smith to me look identical from what I remember them with a slight improvement from Alex but nothing like I was hoping for or from what all the reviews led me to believe. It's not like we were watching Mark Sanchez on his first play from scrimmage and hits his receiver 50 yards down field in stride and you say.......WOW, this should be something special. NOTHING special on the QB front but I do think they can be managable QB's and at least not loose us the games.

3-We definately have no pass rush. Any team can get pressure on the QB by blitzing and over loading the offensive line. In order for us to say we got pressure we need to see " mano y mano" plays where our guys get a sack from messing someone up bad. The only way we get pressure this year is with blitzing the shirts out of teams and hopefully with our secondary looking the way it did we might be better than 13 overall versus last year.

SO.........with the one positive being not having Willis and Gore (and Crabtree) and still winning, and other two negatives being QB and No pass rush I will say this. It will be a decent year meaning we will be much more competitive than last year and years prior. I am more excited about this year than I have been in recent memory and I know you all are too and probably see and feel the same way. There is hope there, we look better so far, maybe we have a QB than can be servicable, Gore, Willis, Crabtree on the field we no doubt will win more games BUT ARE WE FORGETTING who we are and what our organization expects, WHAT WE EXPECT???

We are the 49er's for cryin out loud! Being decent is NOT ACCEPTABLE, not winning superbowls is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Until we find a VERY GOOD QB and start having a VERY GOOD PASS RUSH on other teams we will always be just okay. Expect more from this team and the coaches and personal involved. We need to find ourselves that QB and pass rush if we want to say we are great. WE need to find these guys if we want to compete with the Pats, Giants, Steelers and all other elite teams. It will not happen without it and I will not accept being decent. I hope we get our respect back at least this year and make the playoff's....at a bare minimum.....BUT LET'S ALL PRAY THAT WE CAN HIT GOLD AGAIN LIKE WE DID WITH GORE AND WILLIS and grab our QB and PASSRUSHER of the future with next year's 2 first round picks.

Just Pray we do........
[ Edited by quann4 on Aug 15, 2009 at 9:49 PM ]
Originally posted by susweel:
Yesterday looked a lot like last season, but I will wait to hold final judgment because its ONLY THE FIRST preseason game. Here are MY observations.


Hill is clearly the starter

Alex still sucks

Oline does not look much different, Snyder is a back up. Marvel Smith will be the starter soon.

Coffee is a good back, a lot better then I thought would be. Sheets also looked good hopefully he can make the roster.

Morgan should be the best WR on the team. Spurlock looked good last night, might be the end of the road for Battle.

Keasey is terrible, and injury prone. I like Britt Miller, he looks like a keeper.

Pass Rush is just like Sing says "non existent".

Manny Lawson cannot effectively rush the passer, the dude just dont have the strength he gets blocked way to easily.

Reggie Smith might actually have some talent.


I agree with some of your analysis but don't agree with your QB assesment or Snyder comment. All the QBs did pretty good and Singletary went out of his way to praise Snyder after the game.
I learn more about the zone then the 49ers in preseason.

The great thing about preseason is that you can shape the outcome in your mind anyway you want. There is such little substance(especially in the 1st game) that people pick any evidence that reinforces preconceived notions they already had.

Cant wait for the regular season. You either win or you dont.