SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS @ SEATTLE SEAHAWKS GAMEDAY THREAD (Game 12)

Originally posted by Joecool:
Let me throw in my analysis of what could happen in this game.

Mora Jr. has always been an attacking defensive coach that implemented blitzes and bump and run. So far, our receivers and our passing game has had trouble with bump and run. In the GB game, they played a lot of bump and run in the first half which gave us major issues. In the second half, they still blitzed but didn't bump our receivers as often.

It will be up to the receivers to be able to handle this. With the Shotgun, there isn't much time for the DL to get to Alex before he throws the ball similar to how Peyton Manning always gets the ball out early. Therefore, the key is to disrupt the timing and by bumping the WRs and exposing the weak offensive line for what it is. Believe me, Manning hides an OL that is not very strong.

Now, SEA doesn't want anything to do with Gore so our new style may help SEA more than hurt. However, if we begin to pop 5 per run for Gore, then they will need to stack the box again and if we can toss a few fades and complete them, then SEA will be on its heals.

great points, but the SEA secondary doesn not even compare to the guys in GB, who are arguably the best DB tandem in the league.

I still like our chances. I still think Mora's gameplan will be to stop Gore first. If so, then we have a good chance in the passing game.

I think our offense is becoming pretty difficult to defend.... Seattle don't want to see Frank Gore run all over the field but they also have to stop the passing game that has work pretty effectively in the last games, so I cant predict what are they going to take away, I just hope they prefer to take away Gore so we can pass like we did vs GB and Jacksonville....

go niners

Originally posted by FourNine49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Let me throw in my analysis of what could happen in this game.

Mora Jr. has always been an attacking defensive coach that implemented blitzes and bump and run. So far, our receivers and our passing game has had trouble with bump and run. In the GB game, they played a lot of bump and run in the first half which gave us major issues. In the second half, they still blitzed but didn't bump our receivers as often.

It will be up to the receivers to be able to handle this. With the Shotgun, there isn't much time for the DL to get to Alex before he throws the ball similar to how Peyton Manning always gets the ball out early. Therefore, the key is to disrupt the timing and by bumping the WRs and exposing the weak offensive line for what it is. Believe me, Manning hides an OL that is not very strong.

Now, SEA doesn't want anything to do with Gore so our new style may help SEA more than hurt. However, if we begin to pop 5 per run for Gore, then they will need to stack the box again and if we can toss a few fades and complete them, then SEA will be on its heals.

great points, but the SEA secondary doesn not even compare to the guys in GB, who are arguably the best DB tandem in the league.

I still like our chances. I still think Mora's gameplan will be to stop Gore first. If so, then we have a good chance in the passing game.

You're right, their secondary isn't as strong as GB but our receivers are still young. Well, if they are successful with jamming the receivers, then I REALLY hope Raye knows that running a sweep would be most effective against CBs that are manning up and already engaged with the receivers. It's kind of like a QB scrambling against man coverage: everyone on the defense is too busy concentrating on their man and not looking at the QB who has already gained 5 yards.

I really hope we run more sweeps if they are jamming our receivers.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Let me throw in my analysis of what could happen in this game.

Mora Jr. has always been an attacking defensive coach that implemented blitzes and bump and run. So far, our receivers and our passing game has had trouble with bump and run. In the GB game, they played a lot of bump and run in the first half which gave us major issues. In the second half, they still blitzed but didn't bump our receivers as often.

It will be up to the receivers to be able to handle this. With the Shotgun, there isn't much time for the DL to get to Alex before he throws the ball similar to how Peyton Manning always gets the ball out early. Therefore, the key is to disrupt the timing and by bumping the WRs and exposing the weak offensive line for what it is. Believe me, Manning hides an OL that is not very strong.

Now, SEA doesn't want anything to do with Gore so our new style may help SEA more than hurt. However, if we begin to pop 5 per run for Gore, then they will need to stack the box again and if we can toss a few fades and complete them, then SEA will be on its heals.

All things considered we weren't in shotgun THAT much last game as opposed to GB. The difference is we were aggressive from the start. I think against the Hawks it will be the same formula but more focused on getting Frank Gore the ball. The Hawks will have to prepare for our pass AND Frank Gore and that is a lot to contend with.

My only worry in this game: Crowd noise and penalties. We need to shut them up quickly. No stupid penalties.

Originally posted by Spoonerism:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Let me throw in my analysis of what could happen in this game.

Mora Jr. has always been an attacking defensive coach that implemented blitzes and bump and run. So far, our receivers and our passing game has had trouble with bump and run. In the GB game, they played a lot of bump and run in the first half which gave us major issues. In the second half, they still blitzed but didn't bump our receivers as often.

It will be up to the receivers to be able to handle this. With the Shotgun, there isn't much time for the DL to get to Alex before he throws the ball similar to how Peyton Manning always gets the ball out early. Therefore, the key is to disrupt the timing and by bumping the WRs and exposing the weak offensive line for what it is. Believe me, Manning hides an OL that is not very strong.

Now, SEA doesn't want anything to do with Gore so our new style may help SEA more than hurt. However, if we begin to pop 5 per run for Gore, then they will need to stack the box again and if we can toss a few fades and complete them, then SEA will be on its heals.

All things considered we weren't in shotgun THAT much last game as opposed to GB. The difference is we were aggressive from the start. I think against the Hawks it will be the same formula but more focused on getting Frank Gore the ball. The Hawks will have to prepare for our pass AND Frank Gore and that is a lot to contend with.

My only worry in this game: Crowd noise and penalties. We need to shut them up quickly. No stupid penalties.

If we are in shotgun I don't think crowd noise will be much of an issue because Alex would just stomp his foot. I just hope we don't do that dumb silent count with hour Center's head bob being the distinction.

I'm thinking VD puts up another 100+ yard game this week.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Let me throw in my analysis of what could happen in this game.

Mora Jr. has always been an attacking defensive coach that implemented blitzes and bump and run. So far, our receivers and our passing game has had trouble with bump and run. In the GB game, they played a lot of bump and run in the first half which gave us major issues. In the second half, they still blitzed but didn't bump our receivers as often.

It will be up to the receivers to be able to handle this. With the Shotgun, there isn't much time for the DL to get to Alex before he throws the ball similar to how Peyton Manning always gets the ball out early. Therefore, the key is to disrupt the timing and by bumping the WRs and exposing the weak offensive line for what it is. Believe me, Manning hides an OL that is not very strong.

Now, SEA doesn't want anything to do with Gore so our new style may help SEA more than hurt. However, if we begin to pop 5 per run for Gore, then they will need to stack the box again and if we can toss a few fades and complete them, then SEA will be on its heals.

im sorry but thats just dumb
Peyton Manning has only been sacked 10 times and 3 of those were against the niners

so take out the Niners game and that 7 sacks in 10 games, im sorry but thats not all on Peyton Manning

That O-line is playing pretty darn good

COME OUT IN THE f**kING SPREAD AND THROW THE BALL!!!!!!!

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:
If we lose to Seattle, I think it would be the biggest letdown/disappointment in Alex Smith's career. Yea we had faith and confidence before, but he never looked this good or confident. Now it's like we know what he can do, so he just has to do it. Before we were on that "potential" and "upside" pipe dream.

I hate to say it, if Alex Smith loses this game, especially because of interceptions and fumbles, I think his career is over (at least as a starter). You may think i'm rash because of how good he played last week, but he set himself up for this. Win and he's our QB no doubt. Win against AZ then no more searching. Lose this game and beat AZ next week then we will all shun him and never trust him because of his inconsistency.

i like how you blame Alex already and the game hasnt even been played yet

what if the niners lose because of a fumble by frank gore or a special teams f**k up, assuming that if the niners lose its already Alex Smiths fault is just plain stupid

Wow did you read what I said?

I said IF HE fumbles and throws interceptions, not because of the receiver running a bad route but because he made a bad read.

Obviously if Gore fumbles then the game is not on him. If he has one of those meltdown games like Tennessee, maybe I should have said I won't trust him anymore.

At what point was I already blaming him for the loss? It was a bunch of speculation. I think most fans will have this feeling IF IF IF it happens. I am the biggest AS supporter, just check my resume (if you can). I want nothing but the best for him. I hope he lights it up on Sunday.

But what if he throws 3 or 4 interceptions and consensus shows the loss was on him? How will YOU feel?

Did you read what you said? Your First paragraph
If we lose to Seattle, I think it would be the biggest letdown/disappointment in Alex Smith's career

you then say
I hate to say it, if Alex Smith loses this game, especially because of interceptions and fumbles, I think his career is over (at least as a starter).

to me this implies that if Alex loses the game you dont have faith in him and if its cuz of turnovers then his career is over

Exactly. If he loses this game because he makes bone head decisions then I will have no more faith in him. If he loses, to me it means he can't win big games. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:
If we lose to Seattle, I think it would be the biggest letdown/disappointment in Alex Smith's career. Yea we had faith and confidence before, but he never looked this good or confident. Now it's like we know what he can do, so he just has to do it. Before we were on that "potential" and "upside" pipe dream.

I hate to say it, if Alex Smith loses this game, especially because of interceptions and fumbles, I think his career is over (at least as a starter). You may think i'm rash because of how good he played last week, but he set himself up for this. Win and he's our QB no doubt. Win against AZ then no more searching. Lose this game and beat AZ next week then we will all shun him and never trust him because of his inconsistency.

i like how you blame Alex already and the game hasnt even been played yet

what if the niners lose because of a fumble by frank gore or a special teams f**k up, assuming that if the niners lose its already Alex Smiths fault is just plain stupid

Wow did you read what I said?

I said IF HE fumbles and throws interceptions, not because of the receiver running a bad route but because he made a bad read.

Obviously if Gore fumbles then the game is not on him. If he has one of those meltdown games like Tennessee, maybe I should have said I won't trust him anymore.

At what point was I already blaming him for the loss? It was a bunch of speculation. I think most fans will have this feeling IF IF IF it happens. I am the biggest AS supporter, just check my resume (if you can). I want nothing but the best for him. I hope he lights it up on Sunday.

But what if he throws 3 or 4 interceptions and consensus shows the loss was on him? How will YOU feel?

Did you read what you said? Your First paragraph
If we lose to Seattle, I think it would be the biggest letdown/disappointment in Alex Smith's career

you then say
I hate to say it, if Alex Smith loses this game, especially because of interceptions and fumbles, I think his career is over (at least as a starter).

to me this implies that if Alex loses the game you dont have faith in him and if its cuz of turnovers then his career is over

Exactly. If he loses this game because he makes bone head decisions then I will have no more faith in him. If he loses, to me it means he can't win big games. Plain and simple.

well thats just stupid

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Let me throw in my analysis of what could happen in this game.

Mora Jr. has always been an attacking defensive coach that implemented blitzes and bump and run. So far, our receivers and our passing game has had trouble with bump and run. In the GB game, they played a lot of bump and run in the first half which gave us major issues. In the second half, they still blitzed but didn't bump our receivers as often.

It will be up to the receivers to be able to handle this. With the Shotgun, there isn't much time for the DL to get to Alex before he throws the ball similar to how Peyton Manning always gets the ball out early. Therefore, the key is to disrupt the timing and by bumping the WRs and exposing the weak offensive line for what it is. Believe me, Manning hides an OL that is not very strong.

Now, SEA doesn't want anything to do with Gore so our new style may help SEA more than hurt. However, if we begin to pop 5 per run for Gore, then they will need to stack the box again and if we can toss a few fades and complete them, then SEA will be on its heals.

im sorry but thats just dumb
Peyton Manning has only been sacked 10 times and 3 of those were against the niners

so take out the Niners game and that 7 sacks in 10 games, im sorry but thats not all on Peyton Manning

That O-line is playing pretty darn good

You do know how we beat him, right? We didn't blitz often. We flustered his timing with excellent zone coverage and it allowed for sacks. Did you read the article about Pashos helping us with Manning? He said Manning doesn't hold the ball long enough for someone to sack him. Unless you get their in exactly 2 seconds, you are most likely NOT going to sack him. We had him seeing his primary option being covered, which flustered him. Manning is a presnap QB but can be flustered if things don't go as planned for his receivers.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Let me throw in my analysis of what could happen in this game.

Mora Jr. has always been an attacking defensive coach that implemented blitzes and bump and run. So far, our receivers and our passing game has had trouble with bump and run. In the GB game, they played a lot of bump and run in the first half which gave us major issues. In the second half, they still blitzed but didn't bump our receivers as often.

It will be up to the receivers to be able to handle this. With the Shotgun, there isn't much time for the DL to get to Alex before he throws the ball similar to how Peyton Manning always gets the ball out early. Therefore, the key is to disrupt the timing and by bumping the WRs and exposing the weak offensive line for what it is. Believe me, Manning hides an OL that is not very strong.

Now, SEA doesn't want anything to do with Gore so our new style may help SEA more than hurt. However, if we begin to pop 5 per run for Gore, then they will need to stack the box again and if we can toss a few fades and complete them, then SEA will be on its heals.

im sorry but thats just dumb
Peyton Manning has only been sacked 10 times and 3 of those were against the niners

so take out the Niners game and that 7 sacks in 10 games, im sorry but thats not all on Peyton Manning

That O-line is playing pretty darn good

You do know how we beat him, right? We didn't blitz often. We flustered his timing with excellent zone coverage and it allowed for sacks. Did you read the article about Pashos helping us with Manning? He said Manning doesn't hold the ball long enough for someone to sack him. Unless you get their in exactly 2 seconds, you are most likely NOT going to sack him. We had him seeing his primary option being covered, which flustered him. Manning is a presnap QB but can be flustered if things don't go as planned for his receivers.

we didnt beat him

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:
If we lose to Seattle, I think it would be the biggest letdown/disappointment in Alex Smith's career. Yea we had faith and confidence before, but he never looked this good or confident. Now it's like we know what he can do, so he just has to do it. Before we were on that "potential" and "upside" pipe dream.

I hate to say it, if Alex Smith loses this game, especially because of interceptions and fumbles, I think his career is over (at least as a starter). You may think i'm rash because of how good he played last week, but he set himself up for this. Win and he's our QB no doubt. Win against AZ then no more searching. Lose this game and beat AZ next week then we will all shun him and never trust him because of his inconsistency.

i like how you blame Alex already and the game hasnt even been played yet

what if the niners lose because of a fumble by frank gore or a special teams f**k up, assuming that if the niners lose its already Alex Smiths fault is just plain stupid

Wow did you read what I said?

I said IF HE fumbles and throws interceptions, not because of the receiver running a bad route but because he made a bad read.

Obviously if Gore fumbles then the game is not on him. If he has one of those meltdown games like Tennessee, maybe I should have said I won't trust him anymore.

At what point was I already blaming him for the loss? It was a bunch of speculation. I think most fans will have this feeling IF IF IF it happens. I am the biggest AS supporter, just check my resume (if you can). I want nothing but the best for him. I hope he lights it up on Sunday.

But what if he throws 3 or 4 interceptions and consensus shows the loss was on him? How will YOU feel?

Did you read what you said? Your First paragraph
If we lose to Seattle, I think it would be the biggest letdown/disappointment in Alex Smith's career

you then say
I hate to say it, if Alex Smith loses this game, especially because of interceptions and fumbles, I think his career is over (at least as a starter).

to me this implies that if Alex loses the game you dont have faith in him and if its cuz of turnovers then his career is over

Exactly. If he loses this game because he makes bone head decisions then I will have no more faith in him. If he loses, to me it means he can't win big games. Plain and simple.

well thats just stupid

Why you gotta call me and Joecool stupid?? huh huh



But seriously we've been through this before with Alex, except on a smaller scale. Now it's time for him to step it up, or leave.

But it doesn't matter because most of the zone is hell bent that Alex will be the starter next year no matter what. He probably will with the signs hes shown thus far.

In the end, Go Alex!!! more importantly go Niners!!!

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:
If we lose to Seattle, I think it would be the biggest letdown/disappointment in Alex Smith's career. Yea we had faith and confidence before, but he never looked this good or confident. Now it's like we know what he can do, so he just has to do it. Before we were on that "potential" and "upside" pipe dream.

I hate to say it, if Alex Smith loses this game, especially because of interceptions and fumbles, I think his career is over (at least as a starter). You may think i'm rash because of how good he played last week, but he set himself up for this. Win and he's our QB no doubt. Win against AZ then no more searching. Lose this game and beat AZ next week then we will all shun him and never trust him because of his inconsistency.

i like how you blame Alex already and the game hasnt even been played yet

what if the niners lose because of a fumble by frank gore or a special teams f**k up, assuming that if the niners lose its already Alex Smiths fault is just plain stupid

Wow did you read what I said?

I said IF HE fumbles and throws interceptions, not because of the receiver running a bad route but because he made a bad read.

Obviously if Gore fumbles then the game is not on him. If he has one of those meltdown games like Tennessee, maybe I should have said I won't trust him anymore.

At what point was I already blaming him for the loss? It was a bunch of speculation. I think most fans will have this feeling IF IF IF it happens. I am the biggest AS supporter, just check my resume (if you can). I want nothing but the best for him. I hope he lights it up on Sunday.

But what if he throws 3 or 4 interceptions and consensus shows the loss was on him? How will YOU feel?

Did you read what you said? Your First paragraph
If we lose to Seattle, I think it would be the biggest letdown/disappointment in Alex Smith's career

you then say
I hate to say it, if Alex Smith loses this game, especially because of interceptions and fumbles, I think his career is over (at least as a starter).

to me this implies that if Alex loses the game you dont have faith in him and if its cuz of turnovers then his career is over

Exactly. If he loses this game because he makes bone head decisions then I will have no more faith in him. If he loses, to me it means he can't win big games. Plain and simple.

well thats just stupid

Why you gotta call me and Joecool stupid?? huh huh



But seriously we've been through this before with Alex, except on a smaller scale. Now it's time for him to step it up, or leave.

But it doesn't matter because most of the zone is hell bent that Alex will be the starter next year no matter what. He probably will with the signs hes shown thus far.

In the end, Go Alex!!! more importantly go Niners!!!

go Alex go

one quick note, I agree this is a big game for him, but if he fails(he wont) but if he does can we really say he isnt a big game player because what other big games has he had so far in his career, its not like we have been a playoff contender

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by FourNine49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Let me throw in my analysis of what could happen in this game.

Mora Jr. has always been an attacking defensive coach that implemented blitzes and bump and run. So far, our receivers and our passing game has had trouble with bump and run. In the GB game, they played a lot of bump and run in the first half which gave us major issues. In the second half, they still blitzed but didn't bump our receivers as often.

It will be up to the receivers to be able to handle this. With the Shotgun, there isn't much time for the DL to get to Alex before he throws the ball similar to how Peyton Manning always gets the ball out early. Therefore, the key is to disrupt the timing and by bumping the WRs and exposing the weak offensive line for what it is. Believe me, Manning hides an OL that is not very strong.

Now, SEA doesn't want anything to do with Gore so our new style may help SEA more than hurt. However, if we begin to pop 5 per run for Gore, then they will need to stack the box again and if we can toss a few fades and complete them, then SEA will be on its heals.

great points, but the SEA secondary doesn not even compare to the guys in GB, who are arguably the best DB tandem in the league.

I still like our chances. I still think Mora's gameplan will be to stop Gore first. If so, then we have a good chance in the passing game.

You're right, their secondary isn't as strong as GB but our receivers are still young. Well, if they are successful with jamming the receivers, then I REALLY hope Raye knows that running a sweep would be most effective against CBs that are manning up and already engaged with the receivers. It's kind of like a QB scrambling against man coverage: everyone on the defense is too busy concentrating on their man and not looking at the QB who has already gained 5 yards.

I really hope we run more sweeps if they are jamming our receivers.

Our secondary is having some issues for sure. Trufant can't catch a break with the PI calls, lucas has been playing hurt for probably 6 games now and deion grant is wearing a cast. At least he was. Wilson has good ball skills and if pretty strong for his size but jennings is a stick figure. I am not really sure how well they will play with a bump and run type defense. Our secondary success rests in the hands of our d-line. When they are clicking the secondary is good. When the d-line can't get to the qb then our secondary drops to average at best.