Originally posted by indianajim:
Originally posted by Sabrason:
How are the current crop of coaches better for Smith then the famed qb guru's in Turner and Martz he had at his disposal before?? They couldn't even "fix" him. Some of you wishful thinkers will depart from reality and say anything to perpetuate the dream that Smith can magically turn into a functional qb 5 yrs after his arrival to the NFL. Why not give him another 5 yrs to do so...........
Turner totally turned him around after his disastrous rookie campaign. You know, a season he shouldn't have played. Even Carson Palmer didn't play until year 2. Turner is the best coach he's had.
Martz ran a sham of a QB competition, where he pushed J.T. O'Sullivan ahead of Smith and Hill FOR HIS OWN SAKE. He did not develop anyone, and failed to utilize Gore or Davis like he should have. For those reasons he's not as good, I think, as Raye and Johnson are going to be.
And besides, it's the HEAD COACH that changes everything for me. The head coach knows how to let the Coordinators do their job, and knows how to utilize players effectively, and knows how to lead, something Nolan never could. In my opinion, the current coaches under Singletary will be better than past coaches under Nolan.
OK, so at least you acknowledge that, in fact, Turner was the best coach/qb guru he's had rather than the current crop of coaches. You're welcome. What you think of Martz's qb competition has nothing to do with his legitimate status as a famed qb guru -- he remains highly regarded as such around the league as much as you'd like to diminish and trivialize that fact.
FYI, JTO was the best choice at the time so MM made the correct decision whether he favored him or not. This has been discussed at length by several fans here and is not up for debate so if you're just repeating what you've read from other Martz-haters then you should probably stop that. It makes your noob status stand out even more. For any fan to think that Smith or Hill should've started over JTO who outplayed both of them and knew the system the best (regardless of the ultimate outcome) proves that fan has no idea what they're talking about.
Am I the only one here who remember's JTO gunslinging his way to a 7th ranked offense early on before OL protection broke down forcing him to run for his life almost every play?? Ya know, the selective amnesia is really becoming an epidemic in here.
You're entitled to your opinion but to claim in any way that MS is qualified to make ANY offensive decisions let alone those regarding the qbs is absurd. Comparing Martz's resume to that of Raye's does not support your opinion either. I'd have to take a look at Johnson's to say the same about him but something tells me he's not in the same league as Martz either.
I checked out Martz's career OC/HC stats when he was first hired and, if I remember correctly, the numbers were impressive throughout his time with the Rams -- yes including the year he was fired. As a qb guru, his positive influence on Warner, Bulger, Kitna and Hill last year was obvious and legitimate. It's unfortunate that Smith couldn't have more time with him but, like Turner before him, even Martz realized that he was a disaster which is why he dismissed him as a possible starter almost immediately.
[ Edited by Sabrason on Jul 20, 2009 at 11:43 PM ]