Battle vs. Zeigler - Finish The Fight!

Battle may be more complete and a better fit for the niners right now. However, they will probably cut Battle due to his inconsistence, injuries, age, and salary. The question is Should we pay 2 million for our 6th string wide out?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by IWantWinners:
i'd rather



then to discuss these two

same here

Then do it and quit coming into threads you do not like to complain

But I has nothing else to do.

Battle Vs. Zeigler

Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.

Just an inconvenient fact for those who, for some odd reason in the world, think that Battle is a bad guy, a bad player, and someone we should replace for a guy with 5 career receptions.

Never doubt Battle. Never. He has many people look foolish on this board for a long, long time. Maybe that is the reason for the resentment. In fact, I would guess that 90+% of the board that hates Battle is because he has made them look silly with their past comments.

[ Edited by MadDog49er on Jun 20, 2009 at 05:32:48 ]

Battle is a lock.

zig will never be better than a 4th wr... battle as a 4th wr> zig...

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.

Just an inconvenient fact for those who, for some odd reason in the world, think that Battle is a bad guy, a bad player, and someone we should replace for a guy with 5 career receptions.

Never doubt Battle. Never. He has many people look foolish on this board for a long, long time. Maybe that is the reason for the resentment. In fact, I would guess that 90+% of the board that hates Battle is because he has made them look silly with their past comments.

This is getting absurd. It is getting so that you cannot express an opinion nowadays without being accused of hating the alternative player. This is primary school playground mentality.

Anyone who puts on a Niner uniform gets my support. Right now I see a promising bunch of young receivers. Doubtless they will not all break through to the next level, but I am hoping several, at least, will develop to form part of a team which may be feared around the NFL.

In my opinion we have seen the best of Battle. He has been a stalwart of a poor team and a special teams key. However, time moves on. By the time this receiver corps starts to really gel , which in my opinion is 18 months away, I think Battle will be no longer up to being a part of it.

It therefore seems to me sensible to give the chance to a youngster. I am well aware that right now Battle can out perform Zeig. But, as I have said, that isn't the point. I have no particular reason to believe Z will be a great receiver, but he has potential and I would like to see if that can be realised.

There is no question of personal antipathy. The only current player who seems to be on the receiving end of personal abuse on this board is Alex Smith. I do not recall seeing personal attacks on Battle here. Mostly people believe that he has become injury prone or simply past his use-by date.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.

Just an inconvenient fact for those who, for some odd reason in the world, think that Battle is a bad guy, a bad player, and someone we should replace for a guy with 5 career receptions.

Never doubt Battle. Never. He has many people look foolish on this board for a long, long time. Maybe that is the reason for the resentment. In fact, I would guess that 90+% of the board that hates Battle is because he has made them look silly with their past comments.

This is getting absurd. It is getting so that you cannot express an opinion nowadays without being accused of hating the alternative player. This is primary school playground mentality.

Anyone who puts on a Niner uniform gets my support. Right now I see a promising bunch of young receivers. Doubtless they will not all break through to the next level, but I am hoping several, at least, will develop to form part of a team which may be feared around the NFL.

In my opinion we have seen the best of Battle. He has been a stalwart of a poor team and a special teams key. However, time moves on. By the time this receiver corps starts to really gel , which in my opinion is 18 months away, I think Battle will be no longer up to being a part of it.

It therefore seems to me sensible to give the chance to a youngster. I am well aware that right now Battle can out perform Zeig. But, as I have said, that isn't the point. I have no particular reason to believe Z will be a great receiver, but he has potential and I would like to see if that can be realised.

There is no question of personal antipathy. The only current player who seems to be on the receiving end of personal abuse on this board is Alex Smith. I do not recall seeing personal attacks on Battle here. Mostly people believe that he has become injury prone or simply past his use-by date.

Some people who think Battle's number is up can rationally argue their point. The majority who make statements that already eliminate Battle from the equation have a vendetta.

Zeigler will clearly get his shot to make this roster, and bump someone off. We'll soon see.

As for Battle: Half of the board thinks Battle is recovering from an "injured knee" right now, not an injured foot. These same people claim that he is "always injured". When explained that before his foot injury in 2008 that he played in over 40+ consecutive games....crickets.

When I explain that, according to NFL.com, Battle was our leading receiver through 8 games last season, as a BACKUP...crickets.

The issue is that very few people give Battle any credit for what he has done for this club. And, many who do compliment him, do so in backhanded fashion. I always pose this question to those individuals: Why insult the guy?.............. Crickets. There is not any good reason to insult Battle.

What I have stated to the board is that Battle is no guarantee to make this team. However, he deserves, and should have justifiably earned, a bit of respect. This guy was a 6th round pick, a converted QB, played alongside some real nasty divas (T.O., Bryant, Lloyd), and was NEVER a pain in the butt. He played through pain, is one of the better 3rd down receivers we've had in franchise history, one of the better blocking WR we've had in franchise history, and is a good guy. A really good guy. And yet, for many on this board, he is a cancer. We must cut out the cancer for.....uh......anyone.

We've already gone through this anti-Battle rant in the 2007 and 2008 offseason, as Team Lelie did everything in their power to pursuade the board that Battle was not in Lelie's league. Previously, it was with Jackson, Bryant, Lloyd. In every instance, Battle is the guy who stays, the others hit the road. And, yet, the majority of this board longs for the crazy "butt crack guy", while denegrating Battle's work with the club. It is pathetic.

While it is perceived that the Niners have upgraded their WR core, we won't know until we strap on the pads. Bruce may have rapidly aged this offseason. Crabtree may end up being a bust. Hill may still struggle with his injury, Morgan may not pan out to be the next young stud at WR. Jones may not make a smooth transition to th Niners. There are still a lot of variables. In the middle of all these variables is a guy who has always been steady for the team, always productive, in Battle. To quickly discard his work with this franchise is disgraceful, and those people who cannot show an ounce of appreciation, and a bit of respect, clearly show their bias.



[ Edited by MadDog49er on Jun 20, 2009 at 11:55:48 ]

I hate this question because I think they're both pretty good players. Battle, when healthy, is one of the most reliable guys we've had (especially on 3rd downs) the past several years. Not sure the total time he's missed with injuries but I don't remember him being "injury prone" before this last injury.

As for Ziegler, I think he's capable of being a VERY solid #2 receiver for a football team within the next couple seasons. Tough call we're gonna have to make but I guess it's just an embarrassment of riches.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.

Just an inconvenient fact for those who, for some odd reason in the world, think that Battle is a bad guy, a bad player, and someone we should replace for a guy with 5 career receptions.

Never doubt Battle. Never. He has many people look foolish on this board for a long, long time. Maybe that is the reason for the resentment. In fact, I would guess that 90+% of the board that hates Battle is because he has made them look silly with their past comments.

This is getting absurd. It is getting so that you cannot express an opinion nowadays without being accused of hating the alternative player. This is primary school playground mentality.

Anyone who puts on a Niner uniform gets my support. Right now I see a promising bunch of young receivers. Doubtless they will not all break through to the next level, but I am hoping several, at least, will develop to form part of a team which may be feared around the NFL.

In my opinion we have seen the best of Battle. He has been a stalwart of a poor team and a special teams key. However, time moves on. By the time this receiver corps starts to really gel , which in my opinion is 18 months away, I think Battle will be no longer up to being a part of it.

It therefore seems to me sensible to give the chance to a youngster. I am well aware that right now Battle can out perform Zeig. But, as I have said, that isn't the point. I have no particular reason to believe Z will be a great receiver, but he has potential and I would like to see if that can be realised.

There is no question of personal antipathy. The only current player who seems to be on the receiving end of personal abuse on this board is Alex Smith. I do not recall seeing personal attacks on Battle here. Mostly people believe that he has become injury prone or simply past his use-by date.

When I explain that, according to NFL.com, Battle was our leading receiver through 8 games last season, as a BACKUP...crickets.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Morgan have a groin pull/staph infection during a lot of this time? And wasn't Jason Hill dealing with his hammy injury?

Just sayin.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.

Just an inconvenient fact for those who, for some odd reason in the world, think that Battle is a bad guy, a bad player, and someone we should replace for a guy with 5 career receptions.

Never doubt Battle. Never. He has many people look foolish on this board for a long, long time. Maybe that is the reason for the resentment. In fact, I would guess that 90+% of the board that hates Battle is because he has made them look silly with their past comments.

I haven't seen many folks that I can remember calling Battle a bad guy,he is actually a decent wr considering he is a qb.I am just of the opinion that he is not gonna end up one of the starters,he is a valuable special teams guy,but he is overpaid for that.Being lead receiver for a team for part of a season is not bad,but it was probably more because of the other targets drawing attention away from him.I think that if he could stay healthy he could be a solid #3 guy for us,but the younger guys are gonna push him for playing time.I would hate to see him go,but if it because he gets beat out by a better player then it is good for the team.I do not wanna keep a guy around just because he is a nice guy,he has to be the better player,no matter if he is a fan favorite or not.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.

Just an inconvenient fact for those who, for some odd reason in the world, think that Battle is a bad guy, a bad player, and someone we should replace for a guy with 5 career receptions.

Never doubt Battle. Never. He has many people look foolish on this board for a long, long time. Maybe that is the reason for the resentment. In fact, I would guess that 90+% of the board that hates Battle is because he has made them look silly with their past comments.

This is getting absurd. It is getting so that you cannot express an opinion nowadays without being accused of hating the alternative player. This is primary school playground mentality.

Anyone who puts on a Niner uniform gets my support. Right now I see a promising bunch of young receivers. Doubtless they will not all break through to the next level, but I am hoping several, at least, will develop to form part of a team which may be feared around the NFL.

In my opinion we have seen the best of Battle. He has been a stalwart of a poor team and a special teams key. However, time moves on. By the time this receiver corps starts to really gel , which in my opinion is 18 months away, I think Battle will be no longer up to being a part of it.

It therefore seems to me sensible to give the chance to a youngster. I am well aware that right now Battle can out perform Zeig. But, as I have said, that isn't the point. I have no particular reason to believe Z will be a great receiver, but he has potential and I would like to see if that can be realised.

There is no question of personal antipathy. The only current player who seems to be on the receiving end of personal abuse on this board is Alex Smith. I do not recall seeing personal attacks on Battle here. Mostly people believe that he has become injury prone or simply past his use-by date.

Some people who think Battle's number is up can rationally argue their point. The majority who make statements that already eliminate Battle from the equation have a vendetta.

Zeigler will clearly get his shot to make this roster, and bump someone off. We'll soon see.

As for Battle: Half of the board thinks Battle is recovering from an "injured knee" right now, not an injured foot. These same people claim that he is "always injured". When explained that before his foot injury in 2008 that he played in over 40+ consecutive games....crickets.

When I explain that, according to NFL.com, Battle was our leading receiver through 8 games last season, as a BACKUP...crickets.

The issue is that very few people give Battle any credit for what he has done for this club. And, many who do compliment him, do so in backhanded fashion. I always pose this question to those individuals: Why insult the guy?.............. Crickets. There is not any good reason to insult Battle.

What I have stated to the board is that Battle is no guarantee to make this team. However, he deserves, and should have justifiably earned, a bit of respect. This guy was a 6th round pick, a converted QB, played alongside some real nasty divas (T.O., Bryant, Lloyd), and was NEVER a pain in the butt. He played through pain, is one of the better 3rd down receivers we've had in franchise history, one of the better blocking WR we've had in franchise history, and is a good guy. A really good guy. And yet, for many on this board, he is a cancer. We must cut out the cancer for.....uh......anyone.

We've already gone through this anti-Battle rant in the 2007 and 2008 offseason, as Team Lelie did everything in their power to pursuade the board that Battle was not in Lelie's league. Previously, it was with Jackson, Bryant, Lloyd. In every instance, Battle is the guy who stays, the others hit the road. And, yet, the majority of this board longs for the crazy "butt crack guy", while denegrating Battle's work with the club. It is pathetic.

While it is perceived that the Niners have upgraded their WR core, we won't know until we strap on the pads. Bruce may have rapidly aged this offseason. Crabtree may end up being a bust. Hill may still struggle with his injury, Morgan may not pan out to be the next young stud at WR. Jones may not make a smooth transition to th Niners. There are still a lot of variables. In the middle of all these variables is a guy who has always been steady for the team, always productive, in Battle. To quickly discard his work with this franchise is disgraceful, and those people who cannot show an ounce of appreciation, and a bit of respect, clearly show their bias.

A discussion consists of listening to what the other person has to say then giving your views. Try it sometime.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.

Just an inconvenient fact for those who, for some odd reason in the world, think that Battle is a bad guy, a bad player, and someone we should replace for a guy with 5 career receptions.

Never doubt Battle. Never. He has many people look foolish on this board for a long, long time. Maybe that is the reason for the resentment. In fact, I would guess that 90+% of the board that hates Battle is because he has made them look silly with their past comments.

This is getting absurd. It is getting so that you cannot express an opinion nowadays without being accused of hating the alternative player. This is primary school playground mentality.

Anyone who puts on a Niner uniform gets my support. Right now I see a promising bunch of young receivers. Doubtless they will not all break through to the next level, but I am hoping several, at least, will develop to form part of a team which may be feared around the NFL.

In my opinion we have seen the best of Battle. He has been a stalwart of a poor team and a special teams key. However, time moves on. By the time this receiver corps starts to really gel , which in my opinion is 18 months away, I think Battle will be no longer up to being a part of it.

It therefore seems to me sensible to give the chance to a youngster. I am well aware that right now Battle can out perform Zeig. But, as I have said, that isn't the point. I have no particular reason to believe Z will be a great receiver, but he has potential and I would like to see if that can be realised.

There is no question of personal antipathy. The only current player who seems to be on the receiving end of personal abuse on this board is Alex Smith. I do not recall seeing personal attacks on Battle here. Mostly people believe that he has become injury prone or simply past his use-by date.

Some people who think Battle's number is up can rationally argue their point. The majority who make statements that already eliminate Battle from the equation have a vendetta.

Zeigler will clearly get his shot to make this roster, and bump someone off. We'll soon see.

As for Battle: Half of the board thinks Battle is recovering from an "injured knee" right now, not an injured foot. These same people claim that he is "always injured". When explained that before his foot injury in 2008 that he played in over 40+ consecutive games....crickets.

When I explain that, according to NFL.com, Battle was our leading receiver through 8 games last season, as a BACKUP...crickets.

The issue is that very few people give Battle any credit for what he has done for this club. And, many who do compliment him, do so in backhanded fashion. I always pose this question to those individuals: Why insult the guy?.............. Crickets. There is not any good reason to insult Battle.

What I have stated to the board is that Battle is no guarantee to make this team. However, he deserves, and should have justifiably earned, a bit of respect. This guy was a 6th round pick, a converted QB, played alongside some real nasty divas (T.O., Bryant, Lloyd), and was NEVER a pain in the butt. He played through pain, is one of the better 3rd down receivers we've had in franchise history, one of the better blocking WR we've had in franchise history, and is a good guy. A really good guy. And yet, for many on this board, he is a cancer. We must cut out the cancer for.....uh......anyone.

We've already gone through this anti-Battle rant in the 2007 and 2008 offseason, as Team Lelie did everything in their power to pursuade the board that Battle was not in Lelie's league. Previously, it was with Jackson, Bryant, Lloyd. In every instance, Battle is the guy who stays, the others hit the road. And, yet, the majority of this board longs for the crazy "butt crack guy", while denegrating Battle's work with the club. It is pathetic.

While it is perceived that the Niners have upgraded their WR core, we won't know until we strap on the pads. Bruce may have rapidly aged this offseason. Crabtree may end up being a bust. Hill may still struggle with his injury, Morgan may not pan out to be the next young stud at WR. Jones may not make a smooth transition to th Niners. There are still a lot of variables. In the middle of all these variables is a guy who has always been steady for the team, always productive, in Battle. To quickly discard his work with this franchise is disgraceful, and those people who cannot show an ounce of appreciation, and a bit of respect, clearly show their bias.

A discussion consists of listening to what the other person has to say then giving your views. Try it sometime.

There is no discussion when someone simply states, "He's garbage"; "He is always injured"; "He is no good"; etc. There are a lot of people who cannot say one positive thing about the guy.

I've had a number of good discussions with people on this board about Battle, but if they display little to no intelligence, show a bias against a player, or make up lies about him, what is there to discuss?

I can make arguments on both sides about Battle's status for 2009. People with an agenda cannot.

Gotta Go With the FRO!!!!!!! Ziegler hands down!

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.
Battle was the leading receiver for the Niners the first half of 2008, before his injury.

Just an inconvenient fact for those who, for some odd reason in the world, think that Battle is a bad guy, a bad player, and someone we should replace for a guy with 5 career receptions.

Never doubt Battle. Never. He has many people look foolish on this board for a long, long time. Maybe that is the reason for the resentment. In fact, I would guess that 90+% of the board that hates Battle is because he has made them look silly with their past comments.

This is getting absurd. It is getting so that you cannot express an opinion nowadays without being accused of hating the alternative player. This is primary school playground mentality.

Anyone who puts on a Niner uniform gets my support. Right now I see a promising bunch of young receivers. Doubtless they will not all break through to the next level, but I am hoping several, at least, will develop to form part of a team which may be feared around the NFL.

In my opinion we have seen the best of Battle. He has been a stalwart of a poor team and a special teams key. However, time moves on. By the time this receiver corps starts to really gel , which in my opinion is 18 months away, I think Battle will be no longer up to being a part of it.

It therefore seems to me sensible to give the chance to a youngster. I am well aware that right now Battle can out perform Zeig. But, as I have said, that isn't the point. I have no particular reason to believe Z will be a great receiver, but he has potential and I would like to see if that can be realised.

There is no question of personal antipathy. The only current player who seems to be on the receiving end of personal abuse on this board is Alex Smith. I do not recall seeing personal attacks on Battle here. Mostly people believe that he has become injury prone or simply past his use-by date.

Some people who think Battle's number is up can rationally argue their point. The majority who make statements that already eliminate Battle from the equation have a vendetta.

Zeigler will clearly get his shot to make this roster, and bump someone off. We'll soon see.

As for Battle: Half of the board thinks Battle is recovering from an "injured knee" right now, not an injured foot. These same people claim that he is "always injured". When explained that before his foot injury in 2008 that he played in over 40+ consecutive games....crickets.

When I explain that, according to NFL.com, Battle was our leading receiver through 8 games last season, as a BACKUP...crickets.

The issue is that very few people give Battle any credit for what he has done for this club. And, many who do compliment him, do so in backhanded fashion. I always pose this question to those individuals: Why insult the guy?.............. Crickets. There is not any good reason to insult Battle.

What I have stated to the board is that Battle is no guarantee to make this team. However, he deserves, and should have justifiably earned, a bit of respect. This guy was a 6th round pick, a converted QB, played alongside some real nasty divas (T.O., Bryant, Lloyd), and was NEVER a pain in the butt. He played through pain, is one of the better 3rd down receivers we've had in franchise history, one of the better blocking WR we've had in franchise history, and is a good guy. A really good guy. And yet, for many on this board, he is a cancer. We must cut out the cancer for.....uh......anyone.

We've already gone through this anti-Battle rant in the 2007 and 2008 offseason, as Team Lelie did everything in their power to pursuade the board that Battle was not in Lelie's league. Previously, it was with Jackson, Bryant, Lloyd. In every instance, Battle is the guy who stays, the others hit the road. And, yet, the majority of this board longs for the crazy "butt crack guy", while denegrating Battle's work with the club. It is pathetic.

While it is perceived that the Niners have upgraded their WR core, we won't know until we strap on the pads. Bruce may have rapidly aged this offseason. Crabtree may end up being a bust. Hill may still struggle with his injury, Morgan may not pan out to be the next young stud at WR. Jones may not make a smooth transition to th Niners. There are still a lot of variables. In the middle of all these variables is a guy who has always been steady for the team, always productive, in Battle. To quickly discard his work with this franchise is disgraceful, and those people who cannot show an ounce of appreciation, and a bit of respect, clearly show their bias.

A discussion consists of listening to what the other person has to say then giving your views. Try it sometime.

There is no discussion when someone simply states, "He's garbage"; "He is always injured"; "He is no good"; etc. There are a lot of people who cannot say one positive thing about the guy.

I've had a number of good discussions with people on this board about Battle, but if they display little to no intelligence, show a bias against a player, or make up lies about him, what is there to discuss?

I can make arguments on both sides about Battle's status for 2009. People with an agenda cannot.

Battle has earned our respect and is almost all the things you say, but when you say "crickets" to statements you've made, you're conveniently ignoring or have missed, some retorts, incl my own. The ones who've made personal attacks on him deserve your scorn and ire, but not all who criticize fall into that category.
For example, the 40 or so starts in a row are admirable, and I'm sure accurate, since they come from you, Mad Dog, but my answer to that was, yes, 40 in row, fine, but not at full strength. While Battle may not have as many down days from injury as perceived, he does play hurt alot and/or is limited in practice. And while that may not be as critical for a highly gifted receiver, that, Battle is not. For him to be fully effective, he needs to be full strength. I think there are other receivers, Ziggy included, who need to get an extended look and if Battle is not at full speed ahead, he may be a victim of the numbers game. Do I wish him ill? Heck no! And those who vilify him have got it completely wrong. But, I think if there ever was a time he was expendable, it's now, with this very promising group, and they need playing time to reach their full potential.