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  • Wodwo
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Originally posted by redmanc07:


It appears as if it was maybe a cover 3 and Mays and Clements didn't get back. Spencer has to be in his zone so that's not his fault. Its really hard to tell but it appears he was trying to communicate with Mays about Lloyd hitting his zone. We got burned on a similar play by the Texans last season where Spencer followed the WR and left his zone wide open for a TD.

Yeah, this sounds the most plausible. Goldson was playing in the box. He still bit hard on that play fake if he wasn't run blitzing.

If this was the call, Mays is responsible for the deep center. He was way too far left, so he may have bit on the fake as well.

Who's stupid f**king idea was it to put Mays deep in a cover three? I guess he did save the TD.

I hate our coverage schemes so much. Our players are so much better than this if utilized properly. My opinion anyway.

So that I'm not one of "those guys" who b***hes without a solution, I'll give mine. If you don't enjoy reading, skip to the next post.

1. Bench Goldson

2. Move Mays to FS

3. Start Reggie Smith at SS

Now, I'm not a defensive coordinator. I don't have any experience calling plays (except in Madden, lulz). I have a limited knowledge of scheme, as I'm sure most of us do.

That said, I think we should run what I think would be (at least similar to) a cover 6. Clements plays man coverage, in the WRs face, jamming him all day. This also puts Clements in position to take advantage of (IMO) his best attribute as a corner... his play against the run. It helps against the outside runs and screens we've been burned by. Reggie Smith at SS plays close to center field in deep zone, almost in cover 3 position. I think he is our best pure cover safety and would be best suited to picking up TEs running deep down the seam and most importantly, providing Clements help over the top because we all know Clement's penchant for biting.

On the other side, Spencer plays a short zone (shorter than our lame duck four shell) and does what I think he does best, which is shadow receivers. Mays would play FS, also in a short zone. This maximizes his ability to roam the field without leaving him as the last line of defense. He'll be up and ready to Blitz, pick up a TE on a short route, and play run defense. He has the speed to drop deep from a blitz position, which is crucial to creating confusion (why run a damn 3-4 if you aren't trying to confuse your opponent?). Now, Spencer and Mays primary responsibility would be working in tandem to cover the right side WR. Spencer keeps his man shadowed and covered very well, but hasn't shown the best ball awareness. This would be where Mays would take over, becoming an enforcer and perhaps even a play maker when a QB tries to beat Spencer's coverage. So, they would play almost like a quarters style coverage, but more aggressive with Mays closer to the line, but both still technically responsible for the deep quarters of the field. With Mays playing a short zone closer to the line, it will help limit those screen passes and outside runs we have such trouble with. Plus, who isn't salivating at the thought of Mays blitzing from the QB's blind-side?

The line backers are then free to do what the 3-4 does best. Create as much confusion as possible. No need to send them back in coverage on every play anymore because the middle has a safety with corner speed and linebacker size roaming it.

This scheme puts a lot of pressure on Reggie Smith, though. He'd have to pick up Clements man quickly over the top, but also watch for plays that force Mays up in coverage and Spencer deep. I don't know if he's up to the task, but I do feel he is the best pure cover safety we have.

This alignment can also be inverted, depending on the type of WRs the offense has. You don't always have to play Clements on the #1 WR... he should take the guy that has the most trouble with physical corners.

Sorry for the long ass post. Our coverage scheme has been pissing me off all season and I've b***hed about it, so I felt obligated to sack up and provide a solution. Mostly though, it was just me venting. If you read the whole thing, thanks. Feel free to rip it apart, I've got no ego here.
it was a travesty that rodgers-cromartie made the pro-bowl over spencer. he's a baller.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by redmanc07:


It appears as if it was maybe a cover 3 and Mays and Clements didn't get back. Spencer has to be in his zone so that's not his fault. Its really hard to tell but it appears he was trying to communicate with Mays about Lloyd hitting his zone. We got burned on a similar play by the Texans last season where Spencer followed the WR and left his zone wide open for a TD.

Yeah, this sounds the most plausible. Goldson was playing in the box. He still bit hard on that play fake if he wasn't run blitzing.

If this was the call, Mays is responsible for the deep center. He was way too far left, so he may have bit on the fake as well.

Who's stupid f**king idea was it to put Mays deep in a cover three? I guess he did save the TD.

I hate our coverage schemes so much. Our players are so much better than this if utilized properly. My opinion anyway.

So that I'm not one of "those guys" who b***hes without a solution, I'll give mine. If you don't enjoy reading, skip to the next post.

1. Bench Goldson

2. Move Mays to FS

3. Start Reggie Smith at SS

Now, I'm not a defensive coordinator. I don't have any experience calling plays (except in Madden, lulz). I have a limited knowledge of scheme, as I'm sure most of us do.

That said, I think we should run what I think would be (at least similar to) a cover 6. Clements plays man coverage, in the WRs face, jamming him all day. This also puts Clements in position to take advantage of (IMO) his best attribute as a corner... his play against the run. It helps against the outside runs and screens we've been burned by. Reggie Smith at SS plays close to center field in deep zone, almost in cover 3 position. I think he is our best pure cover safety and would be best suited to picking up TEs running deep down the seam and most importantly, providing Clements help over the top because we all know Clement's penchant for biting.

On the other side, Spencer plays a short zone (shorter than our lame duck four shell) and does what I think he does best, which is shadow receivers. Mays would play FS, also in a short zone. This maximizes his ability to roam the field without leaving him as the last line of defense. He'll be up and ready to Blitz, pick up a TE on a short route, and play run defense. He has the speed to drop deep from a blitz position, which is crucial to creating confusion (why run a damn 3-4 if you aren't trying to confuse your opponent?). Now, Spencer and Mays primary responsibility would be working in tandem to cover the right side WR. Spencer keeps his man shadowed and covered very well, but hasn't shown the best ball awareness. This would be where Mays would take over, becoming an enforcer and perhaps even a play maker when a QB tries to beat Spencer's coverage. So, they would play almost like a quarters style coverage, but more aggressive with Mays closer to the line, but both still technically responsible for the deep quarters of the field. With Mays playing a short zone closer to the line, it will help limit those screen passes and outside runs we have such trouble with. Plus, who isn't salivating at the thought of Mays blitzing from the QB's blind-side?

The line backers are then free to do what the 3-4 does best. Create as much confusion as possible. No need to send them back in coverage on every play anymore because the middle has a safety with corner speed and linebacker size roaming it.

This scheme puts a lot of pressure on Reggie Smith, though. He'd have to pick up Clements man quickly over the top, but also watch for plays that force Mays up in coverage and Spencer deep. I don't know if he's up to the task, but I do feel he is the best pure cover safety we have.

This alignment can also be inverted, depending on the type of WRs the offense has. You don't always have to play Clements on the #1 WR... he should take the guy that has the most trouble with physical corners.

Sorry for the long ass post. Our coverage scheme has been pissing me off all season and I've b***hed about it, so I felt obligated to sack up and provide a solution. Mostly though, it was just me venting. If you read the whole thing, thanks. Feel free to rip it apart, I've got no ego here.

I agree on our scheme being just frustrating. It frustrates me even more when our corners know they have deep help and don't take away the short ball. It makes no sense at all. Maybe there is a lack of trust in the safeties but at the same time they are 10 yds off the WR. They should find a way to "water" the game down for Mays a little bit making it easier for him to learn on the go without hurting the team.

The other thing that pisses me off is this whole Clements is going to cover the slot WR. Unless its Welker or a very good slot receiver Clements has no business on him. Put James or better yet Brown on him. A good example would be James getting beat by Lloyd for a TD. But it doesn't seem like we adjust our gameplan to the teams we are facing for that particular week.
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Originally posted by redmanc07:


I agree on our scheme being just frustrating. It frustrates me even more when our corners know they have deep help and don't take away the short ball. It makes no sense at all. Maybe there is a lack of trust in the safeties but at the same time they are 10 yds off the WR. They should find a way to "water" the game down for Mays a little bit making it easier for him to learn on the go without hurting the team.

The other thing that pisses me off is this whole Clements is going to cover the slot WR. Unless its Welker or a very good slot receiver Clements has no business on him. Put James or better yet Brown on him. A good example would be James getting beat by Lloyd for a TD. But it doesn't seem like we adjust our gameplan to the teams we are facing for that particular week.

The cushion we give receivers is a part of our base coverage scheme. It's called a bunch of different things by different people, but it's "Cover 4". It mean all 4 defensive backs are playing a soft zone and each is responsible for one quarter of the field. This is why it's also called "quarters".

It's got nothing to do with personnel, we play it no matter what players are on the field. I could go on a long convoluted rant about the pros and cons of the scheme and explain why we use it the way we do, but I'll keep it simple.

Manusky is playing p***y defense.

If you really want me to write a long rant, I can. Just figured I'd spare everyone.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by redmanc07:


I agree on our scheme being just frustrating. It frustrates me even more when our corners know they have deep help and don't take away the short ball. It makes no sense at all. Maybe there is a lack of trust in the safeties but at the same time they are 10 yds off the WR. They should find a way to "water" the game down for Mays a little bit making it easier for him to learn on the go without hurting the team.

The other thing that pisses me off is this whole Clements is going to cover the slot WR. Unless its Welker or a very good slot receiver Clements has no business on him. Put James or better yet Brown on him. A good example would be James getting beat by Lloyd for a TD. But it doesn't seem like we adjust our gameplan to the teams we are facing for that particular week.

The cushion we give receivers is a part of our base coverage scheme. It's called a bunch of different things by different people, but it's "Cover 4". It mean all 4 defensive backs are playing a soft zone and each is responsible for one quarter of the field. This is why it's also called "quarters".

It's got nothing to do with personnel, we play it no matter what players are on the field. I could go on a long convoluted rant about the pros and cons of the scheme and explain why we use it the way we do, but I'll keep it simple.

Manusky is playing p***y defense.

If you really want me to write a long rant, I can. Just figured I'd spare everyone.

I never even noticed that it was a cover 4. If we are going to play basic HS defense we might as well do it from the 4-3. We would have a much better chance. But I did notice Manusky calling some Blitzes on 3rd and long against DEN for the first time... all season I believe.
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
~ He doesn't cover very well.
~ He doesn't tackle or hit at all.

He's vastly overrated on the WZ. An average CB at best. He's no star. People just don't hate on him because he doesn't have the large contract of Nate Clements. They don't like what Clements gets paid but tend to overlook the fact that Specner is often toast out there.

good analysis, i agree completely.
Spencer looks SCARED this year. He looks lost. I'm not sure what happened to him, but he looks like s**t.
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Originally posted by wailers15:
Spencer looks SCARED this year. He looks lost. I'm not sure what happened to him, but he looks like s**t.

Please explain why you think he looks scared. I have a hard time seeing his face behind his face-mask.
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
~ He doesn't cover very well.
~ He doesn't tackle or hit at all.

He's vastly overrated on the WZ. An average CB at best. He's no star. People just don't hate on him because he doesn't have the large contract of Nate Clements. They don't like what Clements gets paid but tend to overlook the fact that Specner is often toast out there.

(This is going to be fun, here goes):

SanDiego, these are team letdowns and you can't pin it on one player like that. Manusky is highly overrated, we bite on flea flickers and screens, Goldson isn't trustworthy as a safety net and neither is Mays the rookie, the DLine isn't getting enough pressure, Willis is having an off year, Takeo is good but showing his age, and Parys & Ahmad & Laboi can't get pressure and wouldn't be starters on any other team. Plus, CB stats are highly misleading, because if QBs are throwing away from that CB, it will make that CB's statistics look very weak, when in fact it's a testament to their performance. Finally, our offensive unit as a team is putting the D on their back heels all the time with low scoring and short lived drives. Last time I checked, it takes 11 players to play good defense, and 22 starters to play well as a team. You just can't pin it all on one player.

does that logic sound familiar?
[ Edited by Shaj on Nov 8, 2010 at 5:03 AM ]
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by wailers15:
Spencer looks SCARED this year. He looks lost. I'm not sure what happened to him, but he looks like s**t.

Please explain why you think he looks scared. I have a hard time seeing his face behind his face-mask.



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Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

hahaha
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
~ He doesn't cover very well.
~ He doesn't tackle or hit at all.

He's vastly overrated on the WZ. An average CB at best. He's no star. People just don't hate on him because he doesn't have the large contract of Nate Clements. They don't like what Clements gets paid but tend to overlook the fact that Specner is often toast out there.

(This is going to be fun, here goes):

SanDiego, these are team letdowns and you can't pin it on one player like that. Manusky is highly overrated, we bite on flea flickers and screens, Goldson isn't trustworthy as a safety net and neither is Mays the rookie, the DLine isn't getting enough pressure, Willis is having an off year, Takeo is good but showing his age, and Parys & Ahmad & Laboi can't get pressure and wouldn't be starters on any other team. Plus, CB stats are highly misleading, because if QBs are throwing away from that CB, it will make that CB's statistics look very weak, when in fact it's a testament to their performance. Finally, our offensive unit as a team is putting the D on their back heels all the time with low scoring and short lived drives. Last time I checked, it takes 11 players to play good defense, and 22 starters to play well as a team. You just can't pin it all on one player.

does that logic sound familiar?

I know this is all sarcasm but wtf are you talking about? Shawntae's actually good, he's our best DB. Like you're making fun of people who supported Alex Smith by dissing Spencer by making excuses for him, but he's actually a good friggin player. So yeah it's not his fault our D is overrated, Nate leaves everyone open on the other side and our safeties don't make plays and we don't have a legit pass rusher at OLB.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
~ He doesn't cover very well.
~ He doesn't tackle or hit at all.

He's vastly overrated on the WZ. An average CB at best. He's no star. People just don't hate on him because he doesn't have the large contract of Nate Clements. They don't like what Clements gets paid but tend to overlook the fact that Specner is often toast out there.

(This is going to be fun, here goes):

SanDiego, these are team letdowns and you can't pin it on one player like that. Manusky is highly overrated, we bite on flea flickers and screens, Goldson isn't trustworthy as a safety net and neither is Mays the rookie, the DLine isn't getting enough pressure, Willis is having an off year, Takeo is good but showing his age, and Parys & Ahmad & Laboi can't get pressure and wouldn't be starters on any other team. Plus, CB stats are highly misleading, because if QBs are throwing away from that CB, it will make that CB's statistics look very weak, when in fact it's a testament to their performance. Finally, our offensive unit as a team is putting the D on their back heels all the time with low scoring and short lived drives. Last time I checked, it takes 11 players to play good defense, and 22 starters to play well as a team. You just can't pin it all on one player.

does that logic sound familiar?

I know this is all sarcasm but wtf are you talking about? Shawntae's actually good, he's our best DB. Like you're making fun of people who supported Alex Smith by dissing Spencer by making excuses for him, but he's actually a good friggin player. So yeah it's not his fault our D is overrated, Nate leaves everyone open on the other side and our safeties don't make plays and we don't have a legit pass rusher at OLB.

its all Shaj can talk about when it comes to football. He wanted to make a comment about Spencer but it has to go through his Alex Smith filter first. He literally can't make a football related comment that isn't somehow about Alex.