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Last night's performance was abysmal by both Hill and Smith. If neither can step it up we will have a major problem to be a well rounded offense. We can run the ball but passing has become limited and that is not good in this league. Smith still holds the ball too long, underthrows, throws behind and off target, or tends to throw high and causes interceptions. The wounded ducks he was throwing out there was just horrible. Very discouraging in his 5th year.
I am hoping Hill just had an off night, but he did not look good. Davis is just too green. I don't know if Huard brings anything to the dance of not.
It will tougher in Dallas next Saturday, let's hope someone steps up?
Originally posted by rob28:
Originally posted by Conejo:
Sing not ready to name starter after last night's game

per MM twitter

of course he aint ready. its hard to choose between 2 bums.

Of the two "bums" Smith at least has been showing improvement so far. Hill looked to regress against the raiders last night, everything being equal, Hill probably gets the start, but if Smith continues to progress, I am all for the younger "bum" getting the call.
Originally posted by 49ERGLENN:
Last night's performance was abysmal by both Hill and Smith.

Why do people say this? Serious question, as I have to wait till later to watch. As I understand it, if not for 3 dropped passes, Alex would have been 6/9 and who knows what more could have come from that. So... was he really that bad, or... ?

Originally posted by 49ERGLENN:
Last night's performance was abysmal by both Hill and Smith. If neither can step it up we will have a major problem to be a well rounded offense. We can run the ball but passing has become limited and that is not good in this league. Smith still holds the ball too long, underthrows, throws behind and off target, or tends to throw high and causes interceptions. The wounded ducks he was throwing out there was just horrible. Very discouraging in his 5th year.
I am hoping Hill just had an off night, but he did not look good. Davis is just too green. I don't know if Huard brings anything to the dance of not.
It will tougher in Dallas next Saturday, let's hope someone steps up?

Smiths only wobbly pass was tipped at the line, three of those passes that were incomplete should have been caught by the receivers, including the interception that Morgan himself admitted he should have brought down. After watching the game again, I am comfortable saying that Smith looked more natural than Hill last night, which was unexpected to me.
Originally posted by 49ERGLENN:
Last night's performance was abysmal by both Hill and Smith. If neither can step it up we will have a major problem to be a well rounded offense. We can run the ball but passing has become limited and that is not good in this league. Smith still holds the ball too long, underthrows, throws behind and off target, or tends to throw high and causes interceptions. The wounded ducks he was throwing out there was just horrible. Very discouraging in his 5th year.
I am hoping Hill just had an off night, but he did not look good. Davis is just too green. I don't know if Huard brings anything to the dance of not.
It will tougher in Dallas next Saturday, let's hope someone steps up?

next week crabtree will float down from the heavens against dallas and make all of our QB's look like All-Pros

in reality, i think they get a heavy dose of Gore and Coffee and a few passes sprinkled in there. the QB's looked bad, especially Hill. the rookies that played looked really good in this game. Coffee, McKillop, Davis and i think the safety from LSU (forget his name) looked pretty good too.
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by 49ERGLENN:
Last night's performance was abysmal by both Hill and Smith. If neither can step it up we will have a major problem to be a well rounded offense. We can run the ball but passing has become limited and that is not good in this league. Smith still holds the ball too long, underthrows, throws behind and off target, or tends to throw high and causes interceptions. The wounded ducks he was throwing out there was just horrible. Very discouraging in his 5th year.
I am hoping Hill just had an off night, but he did not look good. Davis is just too green. I don't know if Huard brings anything to the dance of not.
It will tougher in Dallas next Saturday, let's hope someone steps up?

next week crabtree will float down from the heavens against dallas and make all of our QB's look like All-Pros

in reality, i think they get a heavy dose of Gore and Coffee and a few passes sprinkled in there. the QB's looked bad, especially Hill. the rookies that played looked really good in this game. Coffee, McKillop, Davis and i think the safety from LSU (forget his name) looked pretty good too.

Curtis Taylor
Originally posted by 49ERGLENN:
Last night's performance was abysmal by both Hill and Smith. If neither can step it up we will have a major problem to be a well rounded offense. We can run the ball but passing has become limited and that is not good in this league. Smith still holds the ball too long, underthrows, throws behind and off target, or tends to throw high and causes interceptions. The wounded ducks he was throwing out there was just horrible. Very discouraging in his 5th year.
I am hoping Hill just had an off night, but he did not look good. Davis is just too green. I don't know if Huard brings anything to the dance of not.
It will tougher in Dallas next Saturday, let's hope someone steps up?

Wow, I don't usually pay a whole lot of attention to this argument since I don't care who starts as long as we win, but I had to call you on this. Smith is hurt for almost two full years and you count that against him to bolster your argument. Come on, don't twist facts to fit your argument that only weakens your point. Realistically this would be his third year and coming off a major injury.
Also Hill is the one who throws wounded ducks which is why our receivers can catch them so easily. As long as that works I'am ok with Hill.
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I think Alex took a few steps forward....Although not resounding...he did some of the things that we wanted to C....Pocket Presents, Calm....pwning Greg Ellis. He showed SOME Improvement from the Bronco game....
Originally posted by Born49R:
Originally posted by 49ERGLENN:
Last night's performance was abysmal by both Hill and Smith. If neither can step it up we will have a major problem to be a well rounded offense. We can run the ball but passing has become limited and that is not good in this league. Smith still holds the ball too long, underthrows, throws behind and off target, or tends to throw high and causes interceptions. The wounded ducks he was throwing out there was just horrible. Very discouraging in his 5th year.
I am hoping Hill just had an off night, but he did not look good. Davis is just too green. I don't know if Huard brings anything to the dance of not.
It will tougher in Dallas next Saturday, let's hope someone steps up?

Wow, I don't usually pay a whole lot of attention to this argument since I don't care who starts as long as we win, but I had to call you on this. Smith is hurt for almost two full years and you count that against him to bolster your argument. Come on, don't twist facts to fit your argument that only weakens your point. Realistically this would be his third year and coming off a major injury.
Also Hill is the one who throws wounded ducks which is why our receivers can catch them so easily. As long as that works I'am ok with Hill.

Disagree with you and Memphis, my perogative. Smith at 5 years should have a better mental grasp of the game and he doesn't. He takes too long on his reads and throws high or behind his receivers. You can have your opinion and I have mine. I am not a Smith hater nor a Hill fan, I just want someone to step up and play the position with consistency, not greatness, I will just settle for consistency, so far I don't see it? I hope one of them steps up next week, actually I hope both of them step up next week?
Originally posted by 49ERGLENN:
Originally posted by Born49R:
Originally posted by 49ERGLENN:
Last night's performance was abysmal by both Hill and Smith. If neither can step it up we will have a major problem to be a well rounded offense. We can run the ball but passing has become limited and that is not good in this league. Smith still holds the ball too long, underthrows, throws behind and off target, or tends to throw high and causes interceptions. The wounded ducks he was throwing out there was just horrible. Very discouraging in his 5th year.
I am hoping Hill just had an off night, but he did not look good. Davis is just too green. I don't know if Huard brings anything to the dance of not.
It will tougher in Dallas next Saturday, let's hope someone steps up?

Wow, I don't usually pay a whole lot of attention to this argument since I don't care who starts as long as we win, but I had to call you on this. Smith is hurt for almost two full years and you count that against him to bolster your argument. Come on, don't twist facts to fit your argument that only weakens your point. Realistically this would be his third year and coming off a major injury.
Also Hill is the one who throws wounded ducks which is why our receivers can catch them so easily. As long as that works I'am ok with Hill.

Disagree with you and Memphis, my perogative. Smith at 5 years should have a better mental grasp of the game and he doesn't. He takes too long on his reads and throws high or behind his receivers. You can have your opinion and I have mine. I am not a Smith hater nor a Hill fan, I just want someone to step up and play the position with consistency, not greatness, I will just settle for consistency, so far I don't see it? I hope one of them steps up next week, actually I hope both of them step up next week?

Smith has not played in over 18 months, and is showing progress. He only held the ball more than three seconds once or twice, he showed more pocket presence than last week and stepped up in the pocket to buy some time to make a throw. I am not a fan of one of these QB's over the other, I just want the team to win, but your critique of Smith is a little off.
Originally posted by 49ERGLENN:
Originally posted by Born49R:
Originally posted by 49ERGLENN:
Last night's performance was abysmal by both Hill and Smith. If neither can step it up we will have a major problem to be a well rounded offense. We can run the ball but passing has become limited and that is not good in this league. Smith still holds the ball too long, underthrows, throws behind and off target, or tends to throw high and causes interceptions. The wounded ducks he was throwing out there was just horrible. Very discouraging in his 5th year.
I am hoping Hill just had an off night, but he did not look good. Davis is just too green. I don't know if Huard brings anything to the dance of not.
It will tougher in Dallas next Saturday, let's hope someone steps up?

Wow, I don't usually pay a whole lot of attention to this argument since I don't care who starts as long as we win, but I had to call you on this. Smith is hurt for almost two full years and you count that against him to bolster your argument. Come on, don't twist facts to fit your argument that only weakens your point. Realistically this would be his third year and coming off a major injury.
Also Hill is the one who throws wounded ducks which is why our receivers can catch them so easily. As long as that works I'am ok with Hill.

Disagree with you and Memphis, my perogative. Smith at 5 years should have a better mental grasp of the game and he doesn't. He takes too long on his reads and throws high or behind his receivers. You can have your opinion and I have mine. I am not a Smith hater nor a Hill fan, I just want someone to step up and play the position with consistency, not greatness, I will just settle for consistency, so far I don't see it? I hope one of them steps up next week, actually I hope both of them step up next week?

I think we agree more than disagree on neither quarterback showing much. I wish one would look a lot better than the other so maybe this whole argument would go away. From your post I think we can agree that would make us both happy. My problem was only with your assertion that Smith is in his fifth year when really he is only in his third year with yet again a different OC. He has only "Played" the better part of two years and not 4 as you intimate. That is a huge difference. Man, if he had four seasons of playing under fire and looked like this then we would be in complete agreement. But since he is effectively only starting his third season behind the center, under an NFL rush I just have a little more patience with him. I have believed from the beginning that Nolan blew it by starting him too soon and not having him sit two years like GB did with Aaron Rodgers. The team wasn't going anywhere then anyway. I still don't think he is very accurate, he does holds the ball too long and doesn't dump the ball off as well as Hill does.
However, as you said we can agree to disagree on this one point.
Just so you guys know...

Quote:

Alex Smith- 8 Completions 16 Attempts 50% Comp. % 63 Yards 7.875 Avg. Yards per Comp. 1 TDs 1 INTs 1 Sacks

Quote:

Shaun Hill- 5 Completions 9 Attempts 55% Comp. % 61 Yards 12.2 Avg. Yards per Comp. 0 TDs 0 INTs 3 Sacks

I just thought I would compare each QBs statistics after Game 2. These numbers come from NFL.com! Neither QB appears to have seperated himself from the other. I think the starting QB decision will be made after Game 3 vs Dallas. This week is crunch time for both QBs!
Originally posted by PTulini:
Just so you guys know...

Quote:

Alex Smith- 8 Completions 16 Attempts 50% Comp. % 63 Yards 7.875 Avg. Yards per Comp. 1 TDs 1 INTs 1 Sacks

Quote:

Shaun Hill- 5 Completions 9 Attempts 55% Comp. % 61 Yards 12.2 Avg. Yards per Comp. 0 TDs 0 INTs 3 Sacks

I just thought I would compare each QBs statistics after Game 2. These numbers come from NFL.com! Neither QB appears to have seperated himself from the other. I think the starting QB decision will be made after Game 3 vs Dallas. This week is crunch time for both QBs!

I don't think there's any question that Shaun Hill is our starting QB.
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Just so you guys know...

Quote:

Alex Smith- 8 Completions 16 Attempts 50% Comp. % 63 Yards 7.875 Avg. Yards per Comp. 1 TDs 1 INTs 1 Sacks

Quote:

Shaun Hill- 5 Completions 9 Attempts 55% Comp. % 61 Yards 12.2 Avg. Yards per Comp. 0 TDs 0 INTs 3 Sacks

I just thought I would compare each QBs statistics after Game 2. These numbers come from NFL.com! Neither QB appears to have seperated himself from the other. I think the starting QB decision will be made after Game 3 vs Dallas. This week is crunch time for both QBs!

I don't think there's any question that Shaun Hill is our starting QB.

ya

when the head coach won't announce a starter that usually = no question who the starter is
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Just so you guys know...

Quote:

Alex Smith- 8 Completions 16 Attempts 50% Comp. % 63 Yards 7.875 Avg. Yards per Comp. 1 TDs 1 INTs 1 Sacks

Quote:

Shaun Hill- 5 Completions 9 Attempts 55% Comp. % 61 Yards 12.2 Avg. Yards per Comp. 0 TDs 0 INTs 3 Sacks

I just thought I would compare each QBs statistics after Game 2. These numbers come from NFL.com! Neither QB appears to have seperated himself from the other. I think the starting QB decision will be made after Game 3 vs Dallas. This week is crunch time for both QBs!

I don't think there's any question that Shaun Hill is our starting QB.

ya

when the head coach won't announce a starter that usually = no question who the starter is

You guys are fooling yourselves if you think Alex Smith as any chance at being our opening day starter. Hill goes 3 for 7 and all of a sudden he's on even ground with Smith? Get real.

Does anyone honestly think Smith is going to win the 'competition'? That's what I'd like to hear. Not any of this "it's still in the air guys!" I'd like to know who actually believes Alex Smith is going to start.