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Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by danimal:
by 1973, the 49ers Franchise QB John Brodie; had come to the end of his career. 49er fans who had become spoiled with back to back Franchise QB's in YA Tittle and John Brodie were unafraid. Clearly Steve Spurrier would become yet there new 10+ year signal caller. Not quite. Mercifully the football gods gave the Niner fans a small dose of what other franchises deal with almost constantly. Then came the zoo and for 5 years the 49ers were lost, a team without a leader, a team destined to lose.

Then came Joe. and then Steve. Once again the 49ers knew not of life without a franchise QB for 20 years. And again, mercifully we were given Jeff Garcia who would be the calm before the storm, just as spurrier did a quarter century ago.

It has been 5 years of being lost. Just like the faithful of 1974-1979, we are the true fans of 2004-2009. Twice now the cycle of spoiled, weened to devastated has occured. One can only hope for the 3rd cycle to begin anew.


Nice prose, I like your style!


Do you think the next great 9er QB is on the roster, or are we going to draft him next season.

thanks brother.

But no I think the connection is now officially lost. I was looking for a new name to be the starter right now, not Hill or Alex.

No matter what happens now, we are already in a much longer drought then in the 70's...so I think the comparison is now officially over. Which sucks, because it was comfortable to know that this franchise had been through this before.

Now I am no Old Timer quite yet. But I wonder if we are smack dab in the middle of the worst era in 49er history?

I started attending niner games in 1971, and I was not old enough to remember much, but it seemed to me that we were only really hopeless 75-80, I don't know if we had a previous drought but this on seems long.... really long!
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Originally posted by Getrdun9ers:
I honestly don't know why for the most part it's only Niners fans that think that Alex Smith is garbage. I talk to so many people over here in Iraq, and back in Japan and everyone thinks that Alex Smith is actually a good QB, he just has been injured the last almost 2 full seasons, and his first season was... well, it was just that. His first season. Everyone over here agrees if he's given a chance to learn one offense, not 5 in 5 seasons he could end up being a good QB. This comes from New England, Dallas, Arizona... and many other fans. It's only our fans that hate him with a passion and think he's worthless.

I'm not saying that I won't support whoever our QB is. As much as I hate to say it, I even supported Dilfer when he was playing, just because he was the one starting. And I'm still hoping Alex pulls through. If he doesn't do good here I hope he leaves here with his head high goes to a GOOD team and gets himself to the Super Bowl and makes all you people that hate him think... damn. I wish we would've kept him.

Take Tom Brady for example. He was skipped over 199 times in the draft. Nobody thought he would end up being any good. Look what happened. Put in the right system, with the right TEAM, and QB can be good, or even great.

Another person we could look at on that level would be Steve Bono, and Jim Drunkenmiller. Neither of them were supposed to be good QB's, but they grew up sitting on the Niners sideline learning the game. When they had to come in to the game finally they were VERY capable of winning. Not because they were great, but the team around them was great.

An opposite example of them would be Ryan Leaf. Supposed to be a GREAT QB.... the next so called Joe Montana. Put on a crappy San Diego team at the time, and didn't do crap.

My point is the Niners of the 80's and early to mid 90's could've done great with any QB simply because of the team around them. QB's don't make a great team, great teams make great QB's. That's the best part about football. It's the only sport you can HONESTLY say is a TEAM sport. Baseball isn't. One person can win a baseball game on his own. Basketball isn't. Take the Lakers for example with that one. Hear me out with this one. It's more like Kobe Bryant and the Lakers. Without Kobe, that team would be garbage. That's right... I said it. Anyways... who cares. I just want the Niners to be great again.

GO NINERS!!!!

I don't know who you talk to, but no one I know says Alex Smith is a good QB. I live in Jersey and have friends who are giants, eagles, skins, jets, cowboys fans. They all think Smith sucks something awful. Maybe that's because he does. I still wonder how anyone could say otherwise. I do agree he's gotten an unfair shake in the NFL due to injuries and coordinators. But that's the nature of the beast. Life isn't fair. Furthermore, even when he was healthy he never showed flashes of being great. I saw about a quarter and a half of solid football from him in a 2006 Seattle game. That's it. And that's not enough to warrant being a "decent" QB. Certainly not enough to warrant him being a good QB. That's laughable.

Yeah, a multi million dollar contract and he has gotten an unfair shake???
Wow, brought the post from the depths of the past and it continues to live... nice.

Cycle are a part of life at so many different levels from the our seasons to the rotation of the sun. There are defining moments that propel a spike upward or downward depending on the success of the individuals especially those in leadership and managment roles.

Over the last two years we spiked downward trend, but Singletary has taken this team with a very sharp spike last year. Hopefully, this new spike continues upward. I do expect certain dips at some point during the season, but mostly I see a steady shift towards an upward trend especially if our OL can stay healty.

Anyway, the cycle of the football life is contingent to the the decisions made by those in power. Hopefully, those in power now make the right choices!
Originally posted by Getrdun9ers:
I honestly don't know why for the most part it's only Niners fans that think that Alex Smith is garbage. I talk to so many people over here in Iraq, and back in Japan and everyone thinks that Alex Smith is actually a good QB, he just has been injured the last almost 2 full seasons, and his first season was... well, it was just that. His first season. Everyone over here agrees if he's given a chance to learn one offense, not 5 in 5 seasons he could end up being a good QB. This comes from New England, Dallas, Arizona... and many other fans. It's only our fans that hate him with a passion and think he's worthless.

I'm not saying that I won't support whoever our QB is. As much as I hate to say it, I even supported Dilfer when he was playing, just because he was the one starting. And I'm still hoping Alex pulls through. If he doesn't do good here I hope he leaves here with his head high goes to a GOOD team and gets himself to the Super Bowl and makes all you people that hate him think... damn. I wish we would've kept him.

Take Tom Brady for example. He was skipped over 199 times in the draft. Nobody thought he would end up being any good. Look what happened. Put in the right system, with the right TEAM, and QB can be good, or even great.

Another person we could look at on that level would be Steve Bono, and Jim Drunkenmiller. Neither of them were supposed to be good QB's, but they grew up sitting on the Niners sideline learning the game. When they had to come in to the game finally they were VERY capable of winning. Not because they were great, but the team around them was great.

An opposite example of them would be Ryan Leaf. Supposed to be a GREAT QB.... the next so called Joe Montana. Put on a crappy San Diego team at the time, and didn't do crap.

My point is the Niners of the 80's and early to mid 90's could've done great with any QB simply because of the team around them. QB's don't make a great team, great teams make great QB's. That's the best part about football. It's the only sport you can HONESTLY say is a TEAM sport. Baseball isn't. One person can win a baseball game on his own. Basketball isn't. Take the Lakers for example with that one. Hear me out with this one. It's more like Kobe Bryant and the Lakers. Without Kobe, that team would be garbage. That's right... I said it. Anyways... who cares. I just want the Niners to be great again.

GO NINERS!!!!

Really outside of our fans I don't know anyone who thinks alex smith is any good..guess cuz I talk to people who know football...
Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
So hill is our Montana? Wow. Gotta love Niner talk.


no shaun is deberg, alex is plunkett, nate davis is montana, and thats all i have to say about that.

That smells of sarcasm there, but I've seen Davis play his entire college career, and while I don't think any QB will be the next Montana, Nate could be the next franchise QB. I've seen folks in webzone say he won't amount to much because of this or that. But I've not seen any legitimate reasons for those. They've said he can't take a snap under center because he was in shotgun all the time in college. He took plenty of snaps under center in college, and did fine with that against the Raiders. They've said with the gloves and not using the laces he won't be able to throw well, and won't have a good spiral. He had the tightest spiral of all the QBs on both teams that game. And threw the ball with command and showed his arm strength. He evaded the blitz very well and made good decisions on when to throw to a receiver and when to throw it away when he was under pressure. It's still early, and he still has a lot to learn. But he's better than people give him credit for.

Coincidence that we're at the end of this 5 year cycle and Nate Davis is learning on the sidelines...waiting for his opportunity?

I have to admit that I don't follow college football very much so I didn't know anything about Nate Davis until we drafted him. It sounds like you have seen enough of him in college to be impressed ------ I am starting to see the potential that you have shared here.

[ Edited by 49ERwhiner on Aug 31, 2009 at 15:02:41 ]
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I think Shaun Hill can lead us into the playoffs. He doesn't have the rocket arm, but the guy knows how to win. In the NFC West, anything is possible.
The QB's name is Nate Davis. A strong armed kid with the knack to aviod the pass rush and throw a 60 yard bomb to Micheal Crabtree(I know you all hate him but he will be a stud). I forsee Super Bowls in our future.
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Can this thread continue...
Originally posted by ayerman:
who's next to lead the niners to the playoffs?
Playoffs: Shaun Hill
SB: Nate Davis
Originally posted by SFATeflonDon:
Originally posted by ayerman:
who's next to lead the niners to the playoffs?
Playoffs: Shaun Hill
SB: Nate Davis

Wow! He's not even on that radar right now. Not even close.
Originally posted by ayerman:
who's next to lead the niners to the playoffs?

TEBOW.....
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We're still 3 to 5 years before Nick can come home.
meantime he's already better than the 4 we have now.
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We actually had expectations in 2003. Come to think of it, we did in 2007 as well. So yeah, 6 long years. It's going to turn around soon
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