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Do you think icing the kicker is stupid/outdated?

Do you think icing the kicker is stupid/outdated?

it is ineffective and opens up the hc to more second guessing. Nobody ever says "damn I wish we would have iced him"
They should reaserch the opposing kicker to see what effects them.

I'm sure some kickers like it because they get a practice shot. Other don't because they want to get it out of the way.
Statistical analysis has proven that icing the kicker has a negligible effect on the outcome of the attempt.
In other words, it doesn't work.
So, my opinion is, do it! If there's 10 seconds in the game and you have a time out, and icing the kicker or not icing the kicker will produce identical results, might as well keep in line with tradition. What does it hurt? Nothing. What does it help? Nothing. So a coach should practice proper timeout calling form and stick those outstretched fingers directly into the center of his palm. Might as well work on something, right?
Originally posted by fryet:
Well, what else are you going to do when the game comes down to a field goal? Personally, my strategy would be to call the ref over, wait till the final seconds, and then NOT call a timeout, hoping that it confuses the kicker who was expecting to be iced.

That's a much better option. Icing just waste everybody's time, but that may work a few times.
Makes you look like a retard if he misses the first kick and makes the second one. I think it's pointless most of these kickers if they can make the kick can easily make it back to back. It's 50/50 because you could be giving the kicker another shot or it could win you the game. If I was a coach I wouldn't do it because 90% of kickers will make it either way.
I think it only works on young kickers. Icing the kicker is all mental(obviously), so the vet kickers will shake it of while the young guys will over think on what he has to do.
It doesn't work on pros. It might work on college kids, but even the worst kickers in the NFL have ice water running through their veins compared to most college players. In the pros, it's b.s. Now, once in a while, a pro kicker loses his mind - we all went through that in Niner nation last year - maybe it works in that case.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by fryet:
Well, what else are you going to do when the game comes down to a field goal? Personally, my strategy would be to call the ref over, wait till the final seconds, and then NOT call a timeout, hoping that it confuses the kicker who was expecting to be iced.


That's a new one. Might not be a bad idea actually.

I would like to see the Niners do that. In the scenario, ST coach should call the ref over and act as if he's gonna call time out, soon... then have Harbaugh run over from 20 feet away just yelling out anything (except a time-out) at the top of his lungs. Surely, the kicker would be aggravated/frustrated with those shenanigans and screw up the kick
[ Edited by LVJay on May 15, 2013 at 7:42 PM ]
That sounds like a good idea, but I think most NFL kickers are not paying any attention to what's happening on the sideline. They're focusing. Remember Ray Wershing? He would look at the goal posts once and then look down at the ground and the ball and never look up again until he was done with the kick. I think a lot of them are like that. They just don't have any idea what's happening. They go ahead with the kick when the ball is hiked regardless of what's going on on the sidelines.
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Originally posted by GNielsen:
That sounds like a good idea, but I think most NFL kickers are not paying any attention to what's happening on the sideline. They're focusing. Remember Ray Wershing? He would look at the goal posts once and then look down at the ground and the ball and never look up again until he was done with the kick. I think a lot of them are like that. They just don't have any idea what's happening. They go ahead with the kick when the ball is hiked regardless of what's going on on the sidelines.

...but how can anyone not pay attention to Harbaugh running around like a lunatic/yelling his head off?
[ Edited by LVJay on May 15, 2013 at 8:21 PM ]
I don't get why coaches would even wait until the last second. Don't even give the kicker a chance to kick it once.
I disagree, if there is the slightest remote chance that it can bother a kicker, especially in a place like Candlestick park, it can't hurt. Some of you said they are professionals or that it only works on the young kickers. Well, if that is true, then why don't kickers make 100% of their kicks, cause all kinds of things can happen, from a botched snap, to a mishandled placement, to a change in the gust of wind direction. Then there are kickers like David Ackers, when they go through a slump or slumps, icing the kicker can sometimes make a kicker over think things and he was a vet. If you don't think it bothers them, that is because you are a fan. Why do you think, most players don't talk to a kicker if they know he may have to kick one, they don't want to distract him.

I do agree that, kickers nowadays, are told that even if the referee blows the whistle to halt the play, if the ball has been snapped, take the kick to gage yourself. So waiting to long or to the last second and allowing them to snap the ball is bad use. However, if you don't do it and they make the kick, then you are going to wonder what if I tried to dicked with the ST, maybe.....It also allows you to see if the team was going to run, however unlikely, a trick play instead, again, it is the coaches who must look at the game situation, is there enough time, is the kick at the kickers max range, how much would they need to make a first down.

At the end of the half or game, the timeouts doesn't transfer to the next half or overtime, so if you got some then why not use it, it can't hurt. You don't see it used in the middle of the game, at least not much, in those scenarios, then it is a waste, but at the end of the half or game with no time almost left it makes sense unless, there is enough time for your O to counter and you need it and even then it depends how much time is left.